But I think you definitely make valid points, many of these people won’t come out and vote without Trump on the ballot.

Please provide actual links to real evidence showing 7% of the votes being 'bullet ballots' or 'drop-offs' (as in the down ballot votes dropped off, not as in a the ballot was dropped off by the voter) in a state.

And no, a link to Spoonamore claiming it with, again, no links from his end, is not valid proof.

In fact, Spoonamore claims 11 per cent of NC ballots were 'bullet ballots', again with no evidence given from his end.

TIA

The Data
The key data raising concerns that a hack may have been deployed is the number of bullet ballots which exist for Trump in swing states. Bullet ballots are when voters vote for one candidate—in this case the President—and don’t fill out the rest of the ballot. Every year, in every state—including in the past two elections Trump ran in—the percentage of bullet ballots is around 1%. This trend has stayed consistent in the 43 non-swing states in the 2024 election. However, the percentage of bullet ballots is not just anomalous in swing states for Trump this year—it is off the charts.

According to one of the open letters, in Arizona, Trump’s percentage of bullet ballots totaled 7.2%. In Nevada, 5.5%. In comparison, bullet ballots for Trump in Oregon, Utah and Idaho—the three states which border Arizona and Nevada, with equally fervent Trump voters—count for less than 0.05% in each state.


https://www.planetcritical.com/p/cyber-security-experts-warn-election-hacked

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/11/20/2287695/-Election-fraud-hoax-by-the-left?_=2024-11-20T19:59:39.000-08:00

Second, a bullet ballot is a ballot where there are multiple races but the voter only votes in one of them. In Nevada, to pick one example, the number of ballots cast in the presidential election, as published on the state's official election site, was 1,484,840. The number of ballots cast in the Senate election was 1,464,728. That means that no more than 20,112 more votes, or 1.35% of the total number of votes, could have been cast in the presidential election but not in any other election. Which makes it all but impossible for the number of ballots cast only in the presidential race to be 5.5% of Trump's total 751,205 votes.

As others have pointed out, Spoonamare's numbers are plucked from thin air. He offers no explanation of how he came up with them because there is no way he could have come up with them.

from your link:



here is the hyper-link from my high-lighted part

https://substack.com/home/post/p-151721941

It is Spoonamore, and he himself provides no hard evidence.

Do you really think that the Harris team would not be ALL OVER THIS if it was remotely true?

Here is the newest post from Spoonamore, where he attacks the Harris team and gets into some other (one of them rather bizzare, which I highlight) claims as well (again with no links, no concrete evidence for some of them):

https://substack.com/home/post/p-151923500

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Just encourage bullet ballots on X-formerly twitter and Truth Social and leave the rest to them. They'll take it from there.

trump and Johnson's little secret, with Musk in on it to pump it out to magats on social media?

Could very well be, if the dictator with total immunity allows another election.

to cast a ballot ... Last I heard anyway. So the fat Republican advantage gained by encouraging this practice on social media ... ?

Ya' done lost me.

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they learned to hammer rethug messaging 24/7 to the white working and non-college educated middle class voters which delivered the election to trump , and that's not to mention FOX, OANN, CNN now, NewsMax and other winger media outlets including right-leaning press also spewing winger messaging and lies to voters all day and all night. And I'm not including the one-time outlier, I hope, Arab vote in Michigan in this cycle.

It's not lost on me that we of the center left and left have nothing equivalent to all that, and the rethugs know to pour money into the battleground states where the critical Electoral College votes are to be gained.

And our progressive media block, the afternoon programing on MSNBC beginning with Nicole Wallace's show is no match for all that right-leaning media. The news yesterday that ComCasts will spin off MSNBC, which includes "Morning Joe" whose stars made a shameful pilgrimage to kiss trump's ass at MAL over the weekend certainly didn't help things.

It's a formula now, and if a center-left billionaire like Soros of Bloomberg don't buy up MSNBC before Musk or some other magat billionaire snatches it up and changes it's programming slant, we'll be left with little but the sometimey NYT, WAPO and other press that don't help us all that much, if at all, witnessing how they slammed Biden after the debate and failed to consistently call out trump's constant lies, weaving and AGE during the campaign and especially after Joe stepped down and VP Harris just had a short 3+ months to try to rescue the nation from a looming fascist takeover.

Things don't looke good. At least the pedofile Gaetz has withdrawn his name from attorney general confirmation. That's one small wiin for us but the rest of trump's clown car cabinet may still be confirmed by the spineless rethugs in the Senate.

There is "Democracy Now" but it has even less reach than cable channels.

The subject of the thread - as well as the post you are responding to.

all that maga media spewing rethug propaganda in their ears all day and night.

Bullet ballots are cast by voters whose ears hear all that crap. And it worked as convict, abortion denying trump won and is now dictator.

There is not enough progressive media to match that.

'bullet' ballots' are being discussed because they are (purported to be) an indicator of voting machines/systems being manipulated to render fraudulent votes, or tallies, for the winner (Trump). Nothing whatsoever to do with either social media or mainstream media 'influencing' voters and opinion. (which - incidentally - is also neither election 'fraud' nor 'theft'.
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others saying that wasn't the case, just white working class voters listened to the winger propaghana on the media outlets I mentioned.

You think I missed the point completely but you don't know what influenced the bullet ballot voters either or how their votes were manipulated. If you do TELL ME NOW and stop just regurgitating what you've read/heard.

We have to agree to disagree because you don't know and I believe what I believe...and that is we live in a racist, misogynist nation that elected a fascist dicatator.

But the nation was founded by white men who believed they were better than POCs and their women even. And that's still in the nations DNA, witnessed by the fact that it re-elected that racist, sexist, cheating, fascist liar trump. The voters know who/what he is.

Period.

I posted this as a thread on the 18th so numbers may have changed a little but it should still be pretty accurate:

This comes up several times a day with the assertion that swing states had far more ballots voting for president (presumably Trump) only and skipping the rest of the ballot/voting top of the ticket exclusively. So, I finally took a look and posted the following in another thread where it's not really going to been seen much. I'm reposting here for anyone interested:

I took some random states, some swing states and some not, and compared the difference between the number of votes for president to the number of votes in their senate races. I used Decision Desk for the latest totals.

California

Presidential Votes: 15,104,778
Senate Votes: 14,638,283
Percentage Difference: ((15,104,778 - 14,638,283) / 15,104,778) * 100 ≈ 3.09%

Arizona

Presidential Votes: 3,378,651
Senate Votes: 3,337,566
Percentage Difference: ((3,378,651 - 3,337,566) / 3,378,651) * 100 ≈ 1.22%

New Mexico

Presidential Votes: 923,319
Senate Votes: 903,201
Percentage Difference: ((923,319 - 903,201) / 923,319) * 100 ≈ 2.18%

Minnesota

Presidential Votes: 3,242,938
Senate Votes: 3,186,151
Percentage Difference: ((3,242,938 - 3,186,151) / 3,242,938) * 100 ≈ 1.75%

Wisconsin

Presidential Votes: 3,415,154
Senate Votes: 3,387,420
Percentage Difference: ((3,415,154 - 3,387,420) / 3,415,154) * 100 ≈ 0.81%

Washington

Presidential Votes: 3,845,914
Senate Votes: 3,752,419
Percentage Difference: ((3,845,914 - 3,752,419) / 3,845,914) * 100 ≈ 2.43%

Texas

Presidential Votes: 11,559,607
Senate Votes: 11,269,112
Percentage Difference: ((11,559,607 - 11,269,112) / 11,559,607) * 100 ≈ 2.51%

Pennsylvania

Presidential Votes: 7,025,367
Senate Votes: 6,953,319
Percentage Difference: ((7,025,367 - 6,953,319) / 7,025,367) * 100 ≈ 1.03%

Virginia

Presidential Votes: 4,482,075
Senate Votes: 4,436,419
Percentage Difference: ((4,482,075 - 4,436,419) / 4,482,075) * 100 ≈ 1.02%

Ohio

Presidential Votes: 5,647,668
Senate Votes: 5,585,865
Percentage Difference: ((5,647,668 - 5,585,865) / 5,647,668) * 100 ≈ 1.09%


As you can see, the swing states did NOT have a greater %age difference in top of the ticket and down ballot. In fact, it's California (blue state) that has the greatest discrepancy and Wisconsin (swing state) the lowest.

https://decisiondeskhq.com/results/2024/General/President/
https://decisiondeskhq.com/results/2024/General/US-Senate/

…. program to cache votes with a third party candidate as a “place holder” and then so
later on those votes could be called in so as to assure a win for w. These bullet ballots
which very might have been produced electronically and linked to a registered voter who
had not voted and then could be called in as needed by Musk and friends.

in your OP has sorta been hijacked in this thread... but I like what you actually tried to say is your takeaway from this story. And I agree. It is a hopeful way of looking at things.

In the 7 swing states, 6 had high profile, statewide elections. Even though Trump won all 7 states, the statewide elections broke 5 to 1 for the Democrats (4 Senators: AZ, Nev., Mich. and Wisc. and 1 Gov.; NC). that means that Trump had very short coattails. If the Republicans can't win down ballot with a sweep like that, what will happen when Trump is not on the ballot (like 2018 mid-terms, 2021 special elections and 2022 mid-terms).

I just don't think that this election is a political sea change. Trump is already overreaching and will make major mistakes. There is a Republican political weakness beneath the Trump cult.

Thank you. I am seeing the same thing.

Which state had a 7% rate of bullet ballots?
How do we know that the bullet ballots were for Trump?

Please read my reply #14

from Arizona prove that the 7% number is false. And even if the 7% number were true, there would be no way to know they were all for Trump without looking at the actual ballots.

Spoonamore referenced the existence of

Where are they ?