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GPV

(73,156 posts)
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 10:02 AM Nov 23

How do you feel about the new Christian-flavored textbooks coming to a school near you? (Public educator, here.)

Years ago, when hubby was still teaching at a nondenominational Christian school, I used to volunteer there. His first year he taught in a two room schoolhouse. K was downstairs, and he had grades 1-6 upstairs. I loved the kids and loved helping them. There were a number of struggling students who should have had services for one reason or another, so it felt super important to me that I help out. But then came the day, the following year, when we acquired another teacher for gr 1-3, and hubby had gr 4-8 upstairs, when I had to help with history. The school used the ABeka program. Hardcore evangelical young earth stuff. I was asked to teach a young lady that we have different races because each of Noah's three sons travelled in a different direction after the flood receded and the ark made landfall (as shown in the map inset.) (Now, some back story might help here, for those who are wondering how the daughter of Green, secular humanists ended up with the son of a bible-believing preacher man. 1) A decade and a half of bullying had left me with no self-esteem. 2) I was navigating misdiagnosed OCD and Bipolar largely on my own. 3) He's a great guy, and we fit well together despite our differences. (I did try, at first, to cling to his faith, which was how we got together. I thought it might be the answer to all my craziness, but I digress.))

But, being presented with this race theory was a bridge too far. I had tolerated random semi-feel good bible verses on the math pages, but this was the subversion of science. Just as bad as saying there had never been any rain before the great flood, the idea that species diverge because God tweaked them with "divine speciation." I couldn't teach it. Couldn't bring myself to come in anymore, even though those kids desperately needed my help.

I watched from afar as the Baptists infiltrated the board. Suddenly, it was no longer enough to slash only Harry Potter and Goose Bumps from the book order forms. Only the King James 1611 Bible was allowed. No more touchy feely Message. The Kindergarten teacher, who'd been raised Catholic, was brought to tears for her background. Accused of slipping in Catechism. Hubby was the de facto admin, so he heard it from all sides. Hed taken up chugging antacids that year. Eventually, he left that school, worked retail for a while, and got back into public education until "no child left behind/no teacher left standing" came into view.

Now, in the current case of TX, the Baptists already rule. What they are slipping in is already agreed upon. I'm curious to know if this round is just soft sell, feel good stuff. More golden rule nuggets on math pages, but I bet they are going to work the hardcore stuff in down the line. I know for myself, I don't want comparative religion eating up my math instruction time. Because if I was forced to present the Christian stuff, I would absolutely add in other perspectives. But, maybe they can't force us to teach it? It's in the books, but we can ignore it? I would prefer it wasn't there at all, but wonder if that's going to be the workaround. In places that are religious strongholds, it's taken in with fervor, and where it's not wanted it's left to wither in favor of more important things. This will only divide the nation further, I think.

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How do you feel about the new Christian-flavored textbooks coming to a school near you? (Public educator, here.) (Original Post) GPV Nov 23 OP
It is a clear violation of the 1st amendment. Voltaire2 Nov 23 #1
Nothing matters. Norms. Rules. Laws. All out the window. GPV Nov 24 #12
It's making me want to stop being a Christian. Irish_Dem Nov 23 #2
I got there years ago. Wistful agnostic, these days. GPV Nov 24 #14
I am spiritual but not religious. Irish_Dem Nov 24 #15
It disgusts me. The Talibangelists are on the march... Wounded Bear Nov 23 #3
Christian-flavored? What, does it taste like alter boy? TheBlackAdder Nov 24 #20
Isn't there a private school accreditation and approval process in Texas? Shermann Nov 23 #4
If Madelyn Murray O'Hair weren't murdered, I'm certain she'd be on the no_hypocrisy Nov 23 #5
This may be mental masturbation, but, I'd like to think I would teach the controversy. UniqueUserName Nov 23 #6
If my childrens school had a religious indoctrination class. They would have my permission Autumn Nov 23 #7
Terrible, a form of child abuse, and abuse of parental rights, clear violation of separation of church and state. Timeflyer Nov 23 #8
They should stop using the government to do their indoctrination. n/t eShirl Nov 23 #9
Agreed GPV Nov 23 #10
As a rational thinking human being it makes me want to puke. SamKnause Nov 23 #11
I used to grade biology papers for a home school milestogo Nov 24 #13
Yes, that's one way to go. GPV Nov 24 #17
The word "evolution" makes alarm bells go off for these people. milestogo Nov 24 #21
They aren't. n/t valleyrogue Nov 24 #16
I frequently worry about the plight of public school teachers in a society... LAS14 Nov 24 #18
Yeah. It's not a great atmosphere. We are to GPV Nov 24 #19
I was a biology teacher in the 80s in Houston TexasBushwhacker Nov 24 #22
They will create conflict jmowreader Nov 24 #23

Voltaire2

(15,131 posts)
1. It is a clear violation of the 1st amendment.
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 10:07 AM
Nov 23

Public institutions are constitutionally prohibited from doing this. Of course that no longer matters. The SCOTUS majority does not care.

Shermann

(8,779 posts)
4. Isn't there a private school accreditation and approval process in Texas?
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 10:16 AM
Nov 23

I don't see how you can get around basic educational requirements related to Earth science and anthropology.

UniqueUserName

(319 posts)
6. This may be mental masturbation, but, I'd like to think I would teach the controversy.
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 10:19 AM
Nov 23

It's easy for me to speculate from my position of relative safety, but I'd like to think I'd sow gentle seeds of doubt in the brainwashed, young minds by showing the Christian Bible doesn't advocate for any one thing and can be used to support anything including: slavery, women as property, forgiveness of debt every 7 years, abandoning your family. . .

2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"

with
Matthew 19:29
"And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or lands, for my sake, will receive a hundredfold and will inherit eternal life". ------So, if you believe your family is not practicing the spirit of God's message, you absolutely should shun them---according to the Bible.

Autumn

(47,160 posts)
7. If my childrens school had a religious indoctrination class. They would have my permission
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 10:24 AM
Nov 23

to get up and walk out of that class. We had an agreement with our children. We do not need religion in our lives but if they wanted to experiment with it we would not object. They went to Sunday school and an occasional service with their grandmothers. When they passed the kids never had an interest in it, they had only gone to be with the grandmas. They have not raised their children with any religion either.

Timeflyer

(2,844 posts)
8. Terrible, a form of child abuse, and abuse of parental rights, clear violation of separation of church and state.
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 10:24 AM
Nov 23

A tool to aid the Christofascist push to privatize public education, and force out free-thinking professional educators. The slippery slope of state theocracy, and a ridiculous distraction from the actual problems facing the coming generation--esp. climate change-caused disruptions that that will destabilize society further. Jeez, do these people love their own kids less than they love having control over other people thoughts?!? (Yes.)

SamKnause

(13,988 posts)
11. As a rational thinking human being it makes me want to puke.
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 01:23 PM
Nov 23

As a female it enrages me.

Fuck theocracy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

milestogo

(19,016 posts)
13. I used to grade biology papers for a home school
Sun Nov 24, 2024, 10:44 AM
Nov 24

There are a lot of home schooled kids out there, and for a variety of reasons. Some are Bible thumpers, some live in the inner city where its dangerous to go to school, some live in the middle of nowhere and it would take hours out of the day to commute to school. Some are too sick to go to school.

I graded the 6th grade biology papers. At this point the students had two choices of curriculum: Creation Science or Ecology and Evolution. I chose to grade the latter. But I thought it was an interesting way of resolving the issue.

milestogo

(19,016 posts)
21. The word "evolution" makes alarm bells go off for these people.
Sun Nov 24, 2024, 08:54 PM
Nov 24

Its like they are being taught atheism.

LAS14

(14,925 posts)
18. I frequently worry about the plight of public school teachers in a society...
Sun Nov 24, 2024, 08:21 PM
Nov 24

... that can't agree on the basics of truth and morality.

GPV

(73,156 posts)
19. Yeah. It's not a great atmosphere. We are to
Sun Nov 24, 2024, 08:23 PM
Nov 24

provide day care and very little else. To some parents, anyway.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,809 posts)
22. I was a biology teacher in the 80s in Houston
Sun Nov 24, 2024, 09:49 PM
Nov 24

I was raised agnostic/atheist so obviously I didn't have an issue with teaching the theory of evolution. The teacher who supervised me during my student teaching was Christian. I knew that he covered evolution and I asked him how he reconciled it with his religious beliefs.

He said (paraphrasing) that it CONFIRMED his belief in God because it was a perfect plan. He said God wouldn't design living things to suffer and die for generations as their environment changed. Instead, God designed a system where the fittest survive and thrive and those that were not the fit mercifully died and didn't get to pass their genes onto the next generation.

To me, a big part of the issue are the believers who take 100% of the King James version of the Bible as the literal truth. Of course, that's ludicrous, because the Bible wasn't written in English. It was written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. Furthermore, it was written in ANCIENT forms of those languages and translated over a thousand years later. How can a translation of a translation many times over be the "inerrant word of God"?

jmowreader

(51,789 posts)
23. They will create conflict
Sun Nov 24, 2024, 09:57 PM
Nov 24

The different Christian faiths approach the Bible differently. If you put, say, a Methodist, a Southern Baptist, a Pentecostal and a Catholic in a room and present a Bible lesson, at least two and possibly three will tell you that you're going to Hell because you misread the Bible.

And we can't ignore the fact that there are going to be Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, atheists and all sorts of other unusual faiths that will be slighted by this.

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