I agree with this message, it is needed and it states the facts of the situation of what needs to be done.

Nordic-Baltic countries and Poland,!

Our countries are the largest per-capita contributors of military assistance to Ukraine and our support will not waver.

Denmark, Estonia, Finland, Latvia, Norway, Poland, and Sweden And the Rest of the Free World.

Fuck UP TSF, Putin & muskhead.

What a nightmare we're living through

But I guess if we, as Americans, can't even vote in our own best interests, we can't be expected to consider our responsibilities to the rest of the world, and obviously the rest of the world knows that too.

wasn’t in that statement, what’s coming?

Trump obviously has no idea what he's talking about in terms of NATO and its funding, but there's little point in complaining about the US's overbearing role in security and serving its own interests while relying on it as some sort of policeman, so it's good to see other nations taking on a more active role.

I'd expect this initiative to be backed by the UK, France and most of the EU countries, but someone has to lead the way. I hope actions live up to the rhetoric, but in this current limbo while everyone's waiting for the US's first moves under Trump, rhetoric itself does have an important role to play.

as the orange, turd soon-to-be-dictator has vowed to take the US out of NATO.

Europe is moving to take care of itself. The US under trump? Who knows what will happen? There's no possible alliance for us with economic and military rival China. None with Mexico and Canada who are planning tariff retaliation against trump's tariffs. The Pacific Ocean nations of Australia, New Zealand, Japan, South Korea, the Philippines the Pacific Ilses I believe will align themselves with Europe rather than trump's unreliable US.

Maybe North Korea's "Little Rocket Man"? What a joke.

What a disaster the orange turd monster has created. And what a disaster it is that a majority of American voters put the fool back in office.





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He at least talks a good campaign, and some in Ukraine are encouraged as he's actually spent time there, shown some signs of being willing to listen, and doesn't seem to have many illusions about the danger of the axis that's developed around Russia on the international scene, which doesn't serve any of the US's interests, nor necessarily Trump's. He's also said that any negotiated end or pause to hostilities with territorial concessions would likely only be a fallback until Putin's finally out of the picture. He also doesn't consider any of Russia's nuclear threats to be at all credible as it's so outgunned.

Trump isn't going to get his boasted end to the war in one day. I've no doubt he'll get a pass from most of the media and some of his supporters for that. But from previous statements, Kellogg's strategy will involve pressuring Russia to the negotiating table by threatening to step up arms supplies to Ukraine, and actually going through with that threat if necessary, which isn't going to go down well with Trump's baser base because they've swallowed all the Russian propaganda about billions of dollars that could be spent on them instead being shovelled into a crooked far-away country along with kickbacks for the US regime. They're almost certainly beyond being convinced otherwise. Maybe Trump'll be able to throw them enough red meat in other areas in the early days to keep them distracted. Maybe Kellogg will be able to convince him that his image and place in history will be enhanced if Ukraine comes out of this better than any of us might have feared or hoped.

But this shouldn't be the US's conflict to resolve alone however it sees fit. If it wants to go isolationist, well, some leaders in Europe seem willing to step up. They have far more invested in whatever shape of settlement of the conflict comes about. I've heard the unfortunate term used: "Coalition of the Willing". I probably don't have to tell you why that title has unsettling resonances for me, though the concept is sound.

Meanwhile, Russia's economy is staggering along toward collapse. In the next six months or so, the pressures will only get worse and its international standing will only worsen.

That's out IMO.

Its like a "the devil you know" situation

That bit went right by me the first I read the statement. Now I realize that they're sending us (or Donald) a clear message. Too bad he's to stupid to understand it.

I had a feeling this was going to be about Ukraine when I saw the list of countries involved, and I am very glad they are banding together to provide more help to Ukraine, considering what the Orange Hellbeast is probably going to do once he's back in office. I feel terrible knowing that President Elect Dumpster Fire would probably be happy to feed them all to Putin one at a time, and I just hope to hell he doesn't get the chance.

Major evelopment.for Free World.New European Leadership Team emerges
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Should be part of that alliance, I would think..

I'm sure Canada will continue to be stalwart in their support for Ukraine, along with other NATO countries. But it makes sense to me that Scandinavia, the Baltics, and and Poland, being the countries who feel the greatest and most direct threat from Putin, would decide to get together to discuss how they can all best help to keep Ukraine out of Putin's clutches and help each other stay safe.

at least until Poilievre finishes taking over in the next election.

around Kaliningrad and people wondered what was up.

Without going back to check for updates, I suspect we may have gotten the motivation. Block monitoring and reduce risk of an "accident".

It would seem they are on heightened alert.

Americans, for the most part, don't understand why.

Thank you.

so succinct and forceful. I'm curious whr Trump might have to say about the U.S. not paying our "rightful share".

Thank you for this effort. And please remember...

WE'LL BE BACK!!!

This is definitely preemptive action to keep the Russian loving portion of our future government from having the impact they thought they would have.

..so my translation might be a little off, but I think they said, “Up yours, Vlad.”

yup

(plus all the Scandanvian countries and Poland)

It affords Russia just too easy an excuse to invade LIthuania, and recommends against bellicosity.

Fuck RuZZia and Putler.

after its elections in October.

Lithuania has been a significant donor to Ukraine, and has signed a bilateral security cooperation agreement with it (as have a number of countries quietly in the background over the past year), so there's no reason to think it won't get on board with this initiative from the Nordic-Baltic Summit.

although bittersweet that the USA will now shirk it's duty, as our American oligarchs will be cracking open the champagne since they'll believe because the USA will spend less in Ukraine that they will get bigger tax breaks.

Shows me there are still good guys and women in this world.

They’re going to need all the help they can get.

…once TSF pulls the USA out of NATO?

tests from Russia at their northern border and at sea. We spent two weeks in Norway with a dear friend high up in the health ministry this June. Military service is the norm. One of her two older sons who is now a policeman left for a year-long special assignment along the Norwegian-Russian border.

Norwegians live with the tension. Fortunately for them, thanks to their nation's extensive oil reserves, they have the money to defend themselves well. That's how they are also able to have free healthcare and education.

Here are a couple of better links - https://united24media.com/latest-news/nordic-baltic-nations-and-poland-issue-joint-statement-supporting-ukraines-victory-plan-4068

https://www.government.se/press-releases/2024/11/focus-on-security-cooperation-during-first-day-of-nordic-baltic-summit-at-harpsund/

NOBODY listened. Neither Bush or Obama paid took their warnings seriously. And here we are. And trump will likely set us back another 20yrs

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mostly in Europe

We let the USSR take over half of Europe after WWII. We shouldn't make the same mistake a second time.

They have a history with Russia, and not a good one. And they are telling us loud and clear…!