"Why did I vote for Trump? He was only supposed to do this to the libtards."

I, too, do not expect my MAGAt associates to learn a damn thing. They and their controlled media will blame it on Biden, Harris, Congressional Democrats, and “woke” military leaders.

I'm borrowing that one.

feeling that those who voted for the felon will deny that they did. Just like George W, getting 2 terms. Like WTF!!!!

“He’s hurting the wrong people.”

will be filled with them whining "why did the liberals crash the economy to spite Dear Leader? We must punish them" because the right wing noise machine will blame everything on us, and those fools will continue to believe it.

they won't learn anything. They are completely incapable of that. They know one thing and one thing only - liberals are the sum total of all that is evil in the world.

So, whatever comes, they will blame on liberals and use that as justification for whatever crazy thing they get told by their brainwashers will "fix" it.

We have to find a way to bust that media bubble.

I have watched this unfold like a slow motion train wreck my entire life, going on 50 years of some sense of what was going on around me and it has always been there, and has gotten more engrained and exponentially more out of touch with reality with each passing year.

I don't know how we can turn it around. It is slowly becoming accepted as fact, and with this election they have totally unchecked power to tranform our systems of government and education to make what they "know" as reality what it is taught and expected.

He will install a State sponsored Media, like PRAVDA, which will be worse than FOX & RW Radio, just like Putin in Russia....

mode. The Republican politicians will just seek to keep power by whatever means. They have no interest to learn. It is the voters that voted for Trump that need to learn but I suspect most are incapable and, short of some very huge calamity, will just grasp for the next scapegoating ideas still searching for the easy and quick answer that does not exist but they will not admit that nor do the hard mental work to reason their way to anything else.

in this way conveying as much of the message as possible, by stroking egos, appealing to any thread of allegiance, commitment and full support.

I don’t want my retirement wiped out. I don’t want to lose my home just so I can point and say “I told you so”.

These things are probably going to happen if they install all of their insane policies but I don’t wish for it. I’ve worked too hard for too long for all that.

Not just for me, but I have family back in the States, most of whom is not as well off as I am, much less as well as off as my Germany-based daughter is. I should probably be OK no matter what, but my siblings, my U.S based daughter, her children, my nephews--they could get caught up in any serious collapse. As much as I want that for every single person who voted for Trump that has an IQ of 80 or higher, I don't want it for my family or friends.

What IS frustrating is that anything short of that, and the Trumpanzees will find a way to twist any other scenario into meaning that everything is hunky-dory. Only when they go bankrupt or get deported by force will they ever be forced to confront the fact that their vote had serious consequences beyond being able to smirk in our faces. Elon Musk and Fox Noise will not make their house or car payments, and beating up some shirtless guy at the Rio Grande who would have been willing to pick our strawberries at $6 an hour so no one has to complain about inflation isn't going make them feel better, either. Either way, Musk can still afford to buy his adulation, and they will never get theirs.

A lot of cutting-off-our-noses-to-spite-our-faces thinking going on here. Yeah, I'd like them to suffer the consequences of their vote too, but that suffering will envelope us all, especially the economically disadvantaged, many of whom are loyal members of the Democratic base. So, yeah, fuck that noise.

They are not part of the Democratic base. If they are/were, Harris would be the new president.

As is many economically disadvantaged voted for her, not all of them. Many MAGAts meet that definition but clearly voted against her and their own bests interests. If I had said all you'd have a point.

When the effluence hits the air agitator, I will revel in the pain and suffering of those in MAGAworld.

Unfortunately, we'll probably be feeling those same pains.

a loss of insurance, inflation, currency crisis, and seeing families ripped apart.

Hell, there were legal immigrants who have attained citizenship with undocumented family members that voted for Trump! May their families be mercilessly separated! No sympathy!

Lose your Obamacare? Oh well. They were within a thumbs down of John McCain doing it in 2017 but narrowly scraped by. Go ahead. Eliminate health insurance. People will suffer but that’s what they wanted.

Inflation? Bring it on. Because Trump WILL blow a massive hole in the debt with tax cuts which will increase interest rates. Combine that with tariffs and they won’t be able to afford anything.

Let’s see. Social Security will be insolvent within a decade and it’ll be on Trump to fix it. You don’t just fix that system overnight. There’ll HAVE to be measures taken soon to shore it up. Or eliminate it as we know it. Oh but wait…. The sees the debt issue.

I see a possible scenario of a total economic meltdown within a decade. The question is will a Republican be in the White House.

getting a huge tax increase next year. I’m hoping he actually does extend those tax cuts. The rich tax cuts are permanent. Unfortunately, they put a sunset on middle class and poor tax cuts which expire in 2025.

very core of their being.

We have to stop pretending that it's even remotely possible to turn a Nazi sympathizer into a decent human being. Once we understand that, we can begin understanding who our enemy is, we will begin to understand what must be done to defeat them.

to protect myself best I could and I am ready for whatever. Let it happen and let these fools experience all of the Republicans stupid and greed.

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and wonder if they will ever admit Trump, and they, are the problem.

The fact they voted for tsf is evidence that they lack critical thinking skills. Anything blaming the woke libs for the coming shitshow will be accepted as fact. Any media that tells the truth or disagrees with the dear leader will be bought or shut down. It's not going to be pretty.

Russia is the model, a cult leader like Trump and Oligarchs like Musk pilfering the county.

That seriously is what, even most of the every day Maga's, want, as long as the evil liberals are owned.

It's a religion. Their support of Trump is entirely based on faith. Reality isn't going to change their minds.

My husband tried to discuss Trump's character and that he showed no evidence of being a Christian, none of the fruits of the Spirit, etc. Our younger son just argues that OF COURSE God spared Trump's life so he could take the presidency again. Our son is never ugly or unkind and is perfectly happy to talk to us, but there's no reasoning that could change his mind.

the scenario you hope for could be the death of me

Nm

live or, heaven forbid, die with it as well. Reality really sucks sometimes. And this certainly seems like one of those times, big time.

the suffering will not be limited to TCFSF voters, right?

I share your disgust, but starting in 2025 I plan to be as active as possible in the Resistance, or the Opposition, as Marc Elias named it. For now I'm still grieving, but we need to be as strong as we have ever, ever been.

We need to push back hard. to just sit by and watch it crumble is not a viable option.

Vengeance is fine when it's not my own nose that I'm cutting off at the same time. Letting them drown in their ignorance is all well and good, except that I'm not a good swimmer and I'll drown in THEIR ignorance too.

Sometimes, I'm glad that I'm old. I'll be long dead before the next Democrat gets into office to clean up this mess. I weep for my grandchildren though.

...and starting over. That's the sort of rhetoric the right uses. And personally speaking, as a Federal employee, I don't want to lose my job, house, and 20+ years working toward something just for a meaningless moment of schadenfreude.

Trumpers have been able to ignore all the other warning signs. Maybe a good old-fashioned economic disaster is the only thing that will get them to pull their heads out of their asses.

Hopefully they'll get wise before we totally lose democracy, but I'm not holding my breath.

If they can be convinced that the U.S. is collapsing right now, they can be convinced that everything is great when it actually is collapsing.

....in truth, it isn't in my DNA to sit back and do nothing. It is the Democratic Party's job to save America from Republicans. The pattern has been a part of our politics since the corrupt Nixon Presidency. I vented in this post, but I want to share something positive in the next. While it is fun to see MAGA and MAGA adjacent people realizing what they voted for, in truth, we have responsibility to see that all of us don't suffer the consequences, and even yes to help them (Pres. Biden and VP Harris modeled that over the last 4 years). At the end of the day, we can resist, but there are many things out of our control, so some of this is just a natural consequence of people's ill informed votes.

but I don't want the whole country to go down with them

Will be hurt too, so you're also wishing that on them.

They will never learn anything but alternative "facts"

Edit: on the first part of the title line - most of them think it has already failed and getting worse, so it refers to the few percent of them who realize that a 4.3% unemployment rate is historically very low, not a record high, sigh. Ditto a 2.3% inflation rate, only millimeters above the Fed's ideal of 2.0%.

My daughter will be without health insurance, and die within a few years, when my ability to pay out of pocket for her $200,000/year expenses depletes our retirement savings and a house we would sell to keep her alive. Most others work similar expenses won't last as long as she will. On her own, without access to the wealth three generations of frugal ancestors accumulated, she wouldn't last a year.

How dare you suggest sacrificing my daughter to teach people who voted for Trump a lesson. Yes, it is that personal.

pisses me off. The people who are rooting for the MAGA idiots to suffer don't seem to grasp that it's not just them who will suffer but also Harris supporters like your daughter, and other innocent Harris voters who didn't vote for this bs. They are no better than the MAGA idiots who vote against their own interests in hopes of screwing over minorities despite cutting their noses off to spite themselves.

is such that people are at the point of "let it burn," even if we're burned too. After so many cycles of Americans acting like clueless idiots, some people feel that *everyone* burning is the only way for MAGA idiots to wake up.

So... either you believe the things we were warning others about prior to the election or you don't. It sounds like you are among the "trump's presidency won't be bad" camp.

even worse than the first term was. My worst fear is he could cause a second great depression and create a fascist state. I read Project 2025 about year ago when it first came out and was mortified by it and got behind Harris despite her not being my top choice for a nominee because it was just that bad. I don't know why you would think I would believe something outrageously stupid such as thinking that I would believe Trump's second term wouldn't be bad. I have friends and family member who will get screwed over by Trump's policies such as if he gets rid of ACA and the tariffs that he would implement will affect their small businesses. I don't get any joy out of seeing MAGA idiots suffer at the expense of seeing people I care about suffer. That's like telling me my worst enemy gets to have their legs chopped off but in return I get my arms chopped off. That is a pretty crappy exchange in which no side wins.

I have lived in the South for most of my life. I have lived in NC since I was 11 and I'm 41 now. I mention this because I have more exposure to the MAGA types compared to the regular person on DU due to being in the South and know how they think. I can tell you assuming that the MAGA idiots are going to wake up after everything is burned to the ground is dangerous thinking. It's not guaranteed they will change their minds. They are already in too deep in the Trump cult. If anything, they will double down harder and blame everything on the democrats. That's how I see this playing out granted I would love to be wrong, and see them come to their senses, but I don't think it will happen. I have dealt with nut job conservatives for most of my life and it's very rare they ever admit when they are wrong. I didn't see it during the George W Bush years despite all of his fuckups they still would double down on supporting him and I don't think I will see it in this second Trump term.

Realistically these people will never see the light because they are blinded by hate and vengeance against minorities, lgbtq, etc. The only hope the country has and the democrats have is that the people who didn't vote realize how bad the situation is with Trump and come out and vote to save the country like they did in 2020.

My cystic fibrosis med is $330,000/ yearly. I rely completely on expanded Medicaid to survive. With just my Medicare paying, I would pay about $2,000/month and I can’t afford it, not even close.

I say this everyday. Republicans do your worst so people will realize the mistake they made.

After 2 years of hell perhaps America will wake up and make a change.

Who knows, perhaps the felon can get a 3rd impeachment before he's gone.

Then again, I have to be realistic. I'm a democrat so I am used to the party snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

What we need to do is respond with " this is what you voted for" when Trump does what we know he will do but what those who support him make excuses for.

It needs to be in their face.

Fuck MAGA. Fuck it to the absolute hottest of hells.

becsuse non white people and white women are held to a higher standard.

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Time chickens come home to roost.

If Harris had gotten those votes she would have beaten Trump.
I'm losing patience with Democrats who just don't get out and vote for the candidate of the Democratic Party. That's just plain stupid.

Gaza is putin.

It's all in the plan.

I ABSOLUTELY agree with you 1000%!

I'm effing sick of it. I swear to God it feels like we're literally living in a type of Twilight Zone parallel universe. WTF!?!?!

Since the 11/5/24 election I've pulled away quite a bit from the news, articles, and videos. When I see pictures or video clips of V.P. Harris I start crying. Last night a friend and I watched the Zoom that she and Governor Walz conducted this week. They are LIGHT.

My feeling is that we are The Light fighting them - The Dark and I'm SO tired. I'm 67 y.o. and I'm tired..... And so very, very sad....

And another thing, I STILL haven't gotten over Bush v. Gore (which was why DU came about in the first place). I feel VERY strongly that if Gore had been in office as President, his administration would have paid attention to the Presidential Daily Briefings, the chatter, and everything that was going on and 9/11 would NEVER have happened.... ..........I'll never forgive Sandra Day O'Connor...

I think I'm going to take a Xanax and a nap.

we could sink just their (maga) half the boat.

Many people will be hurt.... magas will be hurt.

KIDS will be hurt, even those too young to care about politics.

I hear you
I understand you (I think)
and I want to remind you
whatever happens to gop voters happens to us as well.

DO NOT LOSE YOUR HUMANITY

And lose almost everytime.

that makes us *ALL* LOSERS

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I have to say no to that because that is going to hurt everybody, you don’t want the economy to crash that would be crazy in my opinion.