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Lunabell

(7,309 posts)
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 04:15 PM Nov 2024

I heard something disturbing and sad standing in line at the grocery store.

The clerk was talking to a customer about her 1st and 2nd husbands. The first was Mexican and the 2nd was Honduran. A young black man behind me turned to his black female companion and said, "Yeah, and trump's gonna send their asses back, that's why we voted for him!" They both just giggled.

I was so sad and hurt for them. Their hatred for Latinos was paramount to the racism of the orange blobfather. I guess hate sells. Sad, but true.

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I heard something disturbing and sad standing in line at the grocery store. (Original Post) Lunabell Nov 2024 OP
I am also saddened but shocked at the number of young men of all races broke for Trump. flying_wahini Nov 2024 #1
they couldn't pass up the chance to vote against minority groups (immigrants and trans people) BlueWaveNeverEnd Nov 2024 #9
Hillary Clinton RobinA Nov 2024 #41
53% of white women voted for Trump in 2024 Number9Dream Nov 2024 #48
I don't agree with the sentiment but the reality is that... brush Dec 2024 #55
It's sad but I don't think you get it malaise Nov 2024 #2
Good point... Think. Again. Nov 2024 #3
Most of the Latino immigrants who get permanent visas malaise Nov 2024 #5
W. developed a program of going to Latin American countries and touting the Republican party's summer_in_TX Nov 2024 #18
Yes, I'm sure the strong "christian" connection to American rightwingers doesn't help. Think. Again. Nov 2024 #22
Extremely reich-wing evangelicals markodochartaigh Nov 2024 #30
I see that now, religion being used as a weapon yet again. Think. Again. Nov 2024 #33
The strong influence of the Catholic Church moniss Nov 2024 #45
Protestant churches, especially Protestant evangelical churches have edged out Catholicism summer_in_TX Nov 2024 #47
Thank you for that information and a question moniss Nov 2024 #49
Interesting numbers. summer_in_TX Dec 2024 #50
I think the Pew numbers note the trendline moniss Dec 2024 #51
That's just not true erodriguez Nov 2024 #31
Thanks for that. I had no idea, but probably should have known, or at least guessed, HUAJIAO Nov 2024 #44
Latino men voted anti immigrant too... against the latest wave of immigrants who they resent. BlueWaveNeverEnd Nov 2024 #8
No, I get it. Lunabell Nov 2024 #4
A Chinese restaurant owner tried that shit with my brother malaise Nov 2024 #7
Ooooo, heh! electric_blue68 Nov 2024 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Nov 2024 #16
But there are Democrats that are tough on immigration like that NYC Mayor, Fetterman, and others JI7 Dec 2024 #52
Divide and Conquer. usonian Nov 2024 #6
One of our greatest weaknesses, and this breaks my heart, is not recognizing that Scrivener7 Nov 2024 #10
And homo/transphobic folks too. Lunabell Nov 2024 #12
Most definitely. Scrivener7 Nov 2024 #14
Thing about Graham is not his sexuality (whatever), but his hypocrisy on many topics indicates likely hypocrisy on that Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2024 #17
Misgendering someone who probably has internalized homophobia is trans/homophobic. Lunabell Nov 2024 #21
Wait, Doesn't graham identify as male? Think. Again. Nov 2024 #24
Yes. Lunabell Nov 2024 #25
Oh, yes, that is rude. Think. Again. Nov 2024 #26
I don' think misgendering and homo/transphobic as much as using Republican talking points. LiberalArkie Nov 2024 #34
Exactly, and once we recognize this it's not difficult to understand why people voted for something as vile as Trump JI7 Dec 2024 #54
The GOP plan is to bring back the atrocious bracero program Tweedy Nov 2024 #11
Plain old fashioned mafia shakedown Clouds Passing Nov 2024 #27
Right out of the magnificent seven Tweedy Dec 2024 #58
A great example of how anyone can be racist BannonsLiver Nov 2024 #13
So many fascist victims never believe they are already in a line, even as many others know. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2024 #15
I'm holding space for this incident Sympthsical Nov 2024 #19
that's the unifying factor of trumpets: ignorance, greed, hatred and resentment. ecstatic Nov 2024 #20
Damn 3auld6phart Nov 2024 #23
Sadly, racism in not confined to any one group relayerbob Nov 2024 #28
It is not hate, it's that they voted for a guy who will kick them out... NotHardly Nov 2024 #32
Are they nuts? DownriverDem Nov 2024 #35
What's SAD about it is that B.See Nov 2024 #36
chris rock is right keroro gunsou Dec 2024 #56
Exactly. And with the coming of Trump B.See Dec 2024 #57
Evolve DAMMITT! Evolve Dammit Nov 2024 #37
Trumps plan is to divide and conquer. LilElf70 Nov 2024 #38
For what it's worth Red Mountain Nov 2024 #39
The BeerBarrelPolka Nov 2024 #40
It started with the Jews but I was not a Jew poem kimbutgar Nov 2024 #42
MAHA: Make America Hata Again. patphil Nov 2024 #43
I'm afraid the young black couple will be in for an ugly surprise after Trump is in office dlk Nov 2024 #46
Most people that voted for Trump did so becsuse they are hoping he hurts certain other people JI7 Dec 2024 #53

flying_wahini

(8,248 posts)
1. I am also saddened but shocked at the number of young men of all races broke for Trump.
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 04:17 PM
Nov 2024

It makes me very frightened for women and our country

BlueWaveNeverEnd

(12,823 posts)
9. they couldn't pass up the chance to vote against minority groups (immigrants and trans people)
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 04:58 PM
Nov 2024

women were just collateral damage

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
55. I don't agree with the sentiment but the reality is that...
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 03:51 AM
Dec 2024

there is quite a bit of racism towards Black Americans among some Latino Americans who adapt the racism of some whites who they identify with.

malaise

(292,723 posts)
2. It's sad but I don't think you get it
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 04:24 PM
Nov 2024

Non- African roots Tom, Dick Harry, his brother, cousins and friends arrive in the USA and treat the descendants of enslaved People who were dragged there centuries ago by white people like shit.
They are treated like criminals and outsiders in their own country by recent arrivals.
Walk a mile in their shoes.

summer_in_TX

(4,042 posts)
18. W. developed a program of going to Latin American countries and touting the Republican party's
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 05:17 PM
Nov 2024

values as being aligned with those of Latinos. Family values, don't you know. He took his relationship with them as a Texan with him to the eight years in the White House. Texas governors appoint Mexican-Americans to hold office at a high rate. W did and so does Abbott.

Dems have made a lot of assumptions about how Latinos' votes will align with our party, but they don't continue the relationship and seem to start over every four years.

We should be finding ways to communicate about our shared values, maintaining active and respectful relationships, invest in the communities and include paying Hispanic-owned media and other companies as a regular part of outreach. Make it harder to spread disinformation about who we are because they know good people who respect them who are Dems and support their work.

markodochartaigh

(5,024 posts)
30. Extremely reich-wing evangelicals
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 06:31 PM
Nov 2024

have spread from Mexico to Chile over the past few decades. Their "gospels" of prosperity and hate sell very well to people who have been marginalized in their own countries by their wealthy elite. And in many US cities half of the strip malls have churches dedicated to specific local immigrant communities with this same message.

moniss

(8,700 posts)
45. The strong influence of the Catholic Church
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 02:08 PM
Nov 2024

in the Latino community is not kept in mind when some candidates are wondering about not getting the Latino vote. I guarantee that the MAGA nuts with their strict "no abortions ever for any reason" garbage plays well in communities strongly influenced by the Catholics.

summer_in_TX

(4,042 posts)
47. Protestant churches, especially Protestant evangelical churches have edged out Catholicism
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 03:21 PM
Nov 2024

in many Latin American countries.

moniss

(8,700 posts)
49. Thank you for that information and a question
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 11:27 PM
Nov 2024

it raises for me is where the numbers stand among US adult Hispanics. I found this from Pew Research, no pun intended, showing figures from 2022. The article is from 4/13/23. It would appear the US mix is around 43% Catholic, 27% other and 30% unaffiliated. The unaffiliated numbers sort of surprise me that they are about the same as the US generally because I would have thought the family influence was stronger than in the Anglo community. Given that these are overall numbers it would be interesting to see if they hold for the subgroup that are voters.

"Catholics remain the largest religious group among Latinos in the United States, even as their share among Latino adults has steadily declined over the past decade, according to a new analysis of Pew Research Center surveys. By contrast, the share of Latinos who identify as Protestants – including evangelical Protestants – has been relatively stable, while the percentage who are religiously unaffiliated has grown substantially over the same period.

As of 2022, 43% of Hispanic adults identify as Catholic, down from 67% in 2010. Even so, Latinos remain about twice as likely as U.S. adults overall to identify as Catholic, and considerably less likely to be Protestant. Meanwhile, the share of Latinos who are religiously unaffiliated (describing themselves as atheist, agnostic or “nothing in particular”) now stands at 30%, up from 10% in 2010 and from 18% a decade ago in 2013. The share of Latinos who are religiously unaffiliated is on par with U.S. adults overall."

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2023/04/13/among-u-s-latinos-catholicism-continues-to-decline-but-is-still-the-largest-faith/

summer_in_TX

(4,042 posts)
50. Interesting numbers.
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 12:15 AM
Dec 2024

I actually thought the percentage of evangelicals was closer to that of Catholics than Pew shows.

moniss

(8,700 posts)
51. I think the Pew numbers note the trendline
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 12:43 AM
Dec 2024

is heading in that direction because if the Protestant figure holds stable, as Pew indicates it's been doing, at around 27% and the numbers for Catholics continue to decline from 43% we may well see them coming closer as the unaffiliated numbers inch up.

HUAJIAO

(2,730 posts)
44. Thanks for that. I had no idea, but probably should have known, or at least guessed,
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 01:38 PM
Nov 2024
 

Lunabell

(7,309 posts)
4. No, I get it.
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 04:32 PM
Nov 2024

I do. It's just sad. There's a lot of hate between/among all people. I was eating at a Chinese restaurant with some black friends. There was a problem with the order and the Chinese owner came out and started berating my friends and used the "You people" phrase. We all got up and walked out before eating. We did not pay and there was nothing they could do about it.

As much as I try, as a white southern woman I could never really walk in their shoes. But, I can do what I can to see truth.

malaise

(292,723 posts)
7. A Chinese restaurant owner tried that shit with my brother
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 04:48 PM
Nov 2024

and his diverse UT friends in Toronto. The racist asshole didn’t know three of them spoke Mandarin.

Reports were hilarious and they sure dined for free that night.

Response to malaise (Reply #2)

JI7

(93,197 posts)
52. But there are Democrats that are tough on immigration like that NYC Mayor, Fetterman, and others
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 12:46 AM
Dec 2024

they are still voting for Trump here and I don't think it's just becsuse of what you describe.

I think most Trump voters are bigoted no matter what race they are.

Scrivener7

(58,294 posts)
10. One of our greatest weaknesses, and this breaks my heart, is not recognizing that
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 04:58 PM
Nov 2024

there are racists and sexists among Democrats and those who are often Democratic allies.

This weakness has cost us two elections now.

 

Lunabell

(7,309 posts)
12. And homo/transphobic folks too.
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 05:07 PM
Nov 2024

EarlG had to make it clear that shit won't fly on DU. Sadly, People don't get it and continue to misgender Lindsey Graham.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
17. Thing about Graham is not his sexuality (whatever), but his hypocrisy on many topics indicates likely hypocrisy on that
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 05:17 PM
Nov 2024

Graham has flipped positions so many times, most notably from being against tRump numerous times but supporting him many other times.

So when he stakes out policy that is injurious to LGBT+, there is a high likelihood he is being hypocritical on that issue for personal gain in a red state, given his demeanour and other indicators.

It's not about attacking an LGBT+, if that's what he is, and it is not about using LGBT+ as a pejorative, as a negative.

It's about the strongly indicated hypocrisy. Regardless, if that aspect is not made clear then misgendering by itself is a mistake or worse.

 

Lunabell

(7,309 posts)
21. Misgendering someone who probably has internalized homophobia is trans/homophobic.
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 05:40 PM
Nov 2024

And made clear by the admins that it is NOT tolerated. Even if the post does not get removed, the admins will remove it. N/T

 

Lunabell

(7,309 posts)
25. Yes.
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 05:57 PM
Nov 2024

And calling him "Miss Lindsey" to insult him is misgendering and homo/transphobic. But, some people on here still go there.

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
26. Oh, yes, that is rude.
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 06:02 PM
Nov 2024

Gender identity and sexual orientation are two different things.

So many people are stuck in the binary mindset and don't comprehend how diverse humanity actually is.

LiberalArkie

(19,294 posts)
34. I don' think misgendering and homo/transphobic as much as using Republican talking points.
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 06:36 PM
Nov 2024

I do not understand how he tolerates his own people.

JI7

(93,197 posts)
54. Exactly, and once we recognize this it's not difficult to understand why people voted for something as vile as Trump
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 01:04 AM
Dec 2024

We lose white voters overall but the fact is if we look to educated whites and certain religious minorities than we have a better chance of gaining among educated whites than certain religious minorities.

In close elections these things can make a difference.

And there are some issues we need to be more tough on and show it publicly such as being tough on crime and immigration/ border . This will also make it easier even we want to legalize certain people like children that were brought here as undocumented immigrants .

Tweedy

(1,284 posts)
11. The GOP plan is to bring back the atrocious bracero program
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 04:58 PM
Nov 2024

while shaking down businesses and farmers for “donations”*.

The GOP initiated shakedowns last time we listened to shrill, hateful noise about tariffs and deportations. Basically some businesses got “exemptions” from tariffs while their competitors got raided by the INS. Why did some get exemptions? Follow the money incoming to various GOP fronts.

We have been told by the GOP repeatedly that everybody has to pay them to play and failure to do so will result in state sanctioned punishment. Listen. Some GOP frontman says this just about everyday.

We watched this extortionist grift play out in Florida with Disney within everybody’s short term memory.

No doubt this is a grift that will cause real pain and suffering. That too is welcomed by today’s GOP. Nonetheless, the primary purpose is grift.

*wing nut welfare is a gop institution that runs throughout our supposedly charitable sectors. Wingnut “charities” help billionaires, buy adherents cheaply and work to destroy just about everything that makes America great.

Why? The easier to rob our country many people do say.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
15. So many fascist victims never believe they are already in a line, even as many others know. . . . nt
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 05:11 PM
Nov 2024

ecstatic

(35,012 posts)
20. that's the unifying factor of trumpets: ignorance, greed, hatred and resentment.
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 05:24 PM
Nov 2024

It's disgusting but this is America for now.

NotHardly

(2,619 posts)
32. It is not hate, it's that they voted for a guy who will kick them out...
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 06:35 PM
Nov 2024
... the joke is literally on them.

B.See

(7,762 posts)
36. What's SAD about it is that
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 06:44 PM
Nov 2024

young Black voters like those cited in the op, Latino Trump supporters, and other minorites who voted for Trump don't realize we are all in the SAME BOAT.

That's how hate peddling fascists and chaos agents like Trump work.

By playing upon resentment and dividing people in ways that make them think they're not among the "you people" who Trump and his MAGAS hate.

keroro gunsou

(2,304 posts)
56. chris rock is right
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 05:22 AM
Dec 2024

(paraphrasing here since it's 4 am)

after 9/11 there was a LOT of accepted racism against foreigners, especially the ones from the middle east, and to the public, that was cool... but over time the message evolved and started to quietly add other minority groups. - that train is NEVER late.

he's right. when it comes to hatred, no one is safe.

B.See

(7,762 posts)
57. Exactly. And with the coming of Trump
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 06:47 PM
Dec 2024

it's gotten progressively worse. To the point where Black homeowners in white majority neighborhoods have had cops called on them by bigots questioning their legitimacy and Black kids participating in school sporting events are getting called the n-word from bigots in the bleachers.

Yet there are minority voters who voted Trump, thereby empowering and rubber stamping that kind of shit.

Then we have privileged prcks like Donnie Jr. celebrating the win of a blonde Miss Universe by posting shit like,

'Biological & objectively attractive women are allowed to win beauty pageants again. WE ARE SO BACK!!!' 

So yes. SOME of us know what fkrs like Trump mean when they speak of 'poisoning the blood'...

even though some apparently don't (or don't CARE).

LilElf70

(1,378 posts)
38. Trumps plan is to divide and conquer.
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 06:53 PM
Nov 2024

So far, he's right in line with his ultimate goal of dictator.

Buckle up tight.

His next 4 years will be by far, much worse.

And I expect to hear more stories, just like this. It's so sad.

Red Mountain

(2,263 posts)
39. For what it's worth
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 06:57 PM
Nov 2024

The Hispanics I used to work with (all from Mexico) didn't like black people, to put it nicely.

They were undocumented but able to work because they were grandfathered in prior to e-verify. They had fake social security #s, paid their taxes through their paychecks and couldn't file a return. You'd think that would raise some flags but the system doesn't seem to care, go figure.

I always suspected it was in part due to friction between the groups when Hispanics arrived on the scene and began moving into poor historically black areas......they were easy prey. I doubt that lasted long but it was embedded in local Hispanic culture from the get-go......probably amplified by their media (though that's pure conjecture).

Anyway, page from the classic playbook......keep the poor at each other's throats and they won't notice who is really keeping them down. Never seems to fail.

Sad.

kimbutgar

(26,796 posts)
42. It started with the Jews but I was not a Jew poem
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 07:14 PM
Nov 2024

That young black couple might be made second class slaves if the white supremacy gets it way in this country under the orange Hitler 2.0.

patphil

(8,724 posts)
43. MAHA: Make America Hata Again.
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 07:20 PM
Nov 2024

As if they needed to be encouraged to hate.
Something the Magats never understood, and never will: Hate never made anything great.
They can never be happy as long as their prime reaction to so much of what makes America great is hatred.

dlk

(13,111 posts)
46. I'm afraid the young black couple will be in for an ugly surprise after Trump is in office
Sat Nov 30, 2024, 03:04 PM
Nov 2024

n/t

JI7

(93,197 posts)
53. Most people that voted for Trump did so becsuse they are hoping he hurts certain other people
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 12:53 AM
Dec 2024
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