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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI heard something disturbing and sad standing in line at the grocery store.
The clerk was talking to a customer about her 1st and 2nd husbands. The first was Mexican and the 2nd was Honduran. A young black man behind me turned to his black female companion and said, "Yeah, and trump's gonna send their asses back, that's why we voted for him!" They both just giggled.
I was so sad and hurt for them. Their hatred for Latinos was paramount to the racism of the orange blobfather. I guess hate sells. Sad, but true.
flying_wahini
(8,026 posts)It makes me very frightened for women and our country
BlueWaveNeverEnd
(10,295 posts)women were just collateral damage
RobinA
(10,162 posts)would probably disagree.
Number9Dream
(1,650 posts)46% of white women voted for Kamala.
It can't just be blamed on men.
brush
(57,751 posts)there is quite a bit of racism towards Black Americans among some Latino Americans who adapt the racism of some whites who they identify with.
malaise
(278,278 posts)Non- African roots Tom, Dick Harry, his brother, cousins and friends arrive in the USA and treat the descendants of enslaved People who were dragged there centuries ago by white people like shit.
They are treated like criminals and outsiders in their own country by recent arrivals.
Walk a mile in their shoes.
Think. Again.
(18,358 posts)Maybe Latino men voted for trump because they're magats.
malaise
(278,278 posts)are right wingers
summer_in_TX
(3,248 posts)values as being aligned with those of Latinos. Family values, don't you know. He took his relationship with them as a Texan with him to the eight years in the White House. Texas governors appoint Mexican-Americans to hold office at a high rate. W did and so does Abbott.
Dems have made a lot of assumptions about how Latinos' votes will align with our party, but they don't continue the relationship and seem to start over every four years.
We should be finding ways to communicate about our shared values, maintaining active and respectful relationships, invest in the communities and include paying Hispanic-owned media and other companies as a regular part of outreach. Make it harder to spread disinformation about who we are because they know good people who respect them who are Dems and support their work.
Think. Again.
(18,358 posts)markodochartaigh
(2,172 posts)have spread from Mexico to Chile over the past few decades. Their "gospels" of prosperity and hate sell very well to people who have been marginalized in their own countries by their wealthy elite. And in many US cities half of the strip malls have churches dedicated to specific local immigrant communities with this same message.
Think. Again.
(18,358 posts)moniss
(5,947 posts)in the Latino community is not kept in mind when some candidates are wondering about not getting the Latino vote. I guarantee that the MAGA nuts with their strict "no abortions ever for any reason" garbage plays well in communities strongly influenced by the Catholics.
summer_in_TX
(3,248 posts)in many Latin American countries.
moniss
(5,947 posts)it raises for me is where the numbers stand among US adult Hispanics. I found this from Pew Research, no pun intended, showing figures from 2022. The article is from 4/13/23. It would appear the US mix is around 43% Catholic, 27% other and 30% unaffiliated. The unaffiliated numbers sort of surprise me that they are about the same as the US generally because I would have thought the family influence was stronger than in the Anglo community. Given that these are overall numbers it would be interesting to see if they hold for the subgroup that are voters.
"Catholics remain the largest religious group among Latinos in the United States, even as their share among Latino adults has steadily declined over the past decade, according to a new analysis of Pew Research Center surveys. By contrast, the share of Latinos who identify as Protestants including evangelical Protestants has been relatively stable, while the percentage who are religiously unaffiliated has grown substantially over the same period.
As of 2022, 43% of Hispanic adults identify as Catholic, down from 67% in 2010. Even so, Latinos remain about twice as likely as U.S. adults overall to identify as Catholic, and considerably less likely to be Protestant. Meanwhile, the share of Latinos who are religiously unaffiliated (describing themselves as atheist, agnostic or nothing in particular) now stands at 30%, up from 10% in 2010 and from 18% a decade ago in 2013. The share of Latinos who are religiously unaffiliated is on par with U.S. adults overall."
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2023/04/13/among-u-s-latinos-catholicism-continues-to-decline-but-is-still-the-largest-faith/
summer_in_TX
(3,248 posts)I actually thought the percentage of evangelicals was closer to that of Catholics than Pew shows.
moniss
(5,947 posts)is heading in that direction because if the Protestant figure holds stable, as Pew indicates it's been doing, at around 27% and the numbers for Catholics continue to decline from 43% we may well see them coming closer as the unaffiliated numbers inch up.
erodriguez
(731 posts)Stop the racist blaming of Latinos.
HUAJIAO
(2,618 posts)BlueWaveNeverEnd
(10,295 posts)Lunabell
(6,971 posts)I do. It's just sad. There's a lot of hate between/among all people. I was eating at a Chinese restaurant with some black friends. There was a problem with the order and the Chinese owner came out and started berating my friends and used the "You people" phrase. We all got up and walked out before eating. We did not pay and there was nothing they could do about it.
As much as I try, as a white southern woman I could never really walk in their shoes. But, I can do what I can to see truth.
malaise
(278,278 posts)and his diverse UT friends in Toronto. The racist asshole didnt know three of them spoke Mandarin.
Reports were hilarious and they sure dined for free that night.
electric_blue68
(18,283 posts)Response to malaise (Reply #2)
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JI7
(90,663 posts)they are still voting for Trump here and I don't think it's just becsuse of what you describe.
I think most Trump voters are bigoted no matter what race they are.
usonian
(14,102 posts)Predates even the fascist playbook.
Confucius?
This guy?
Scrivener7
(52,937 posts)there are racists and sexists among Democrats and those who are often Democratic allies.
This weakness has cost us two elections now.
Lunabell
(6,971 posts)EarlG had to make it clear that shit won't fly on DU. Sadly, People don't get it and continue to misgender Lindsey Graham.
Scrivener7
(52,937 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(51,037 posts)Graham has flipped positions so many times, most notably from being against tRump numerous times but supporting him many other times.
So when he stakes out policy that is injurious to LGBT+, there is a high likelihood he is being hypocritical on that issue for personal gain in a red state, given his demeanour and other indicators.
It's not about attacking an LGBT+, if that's what he is, and it is not about using LGBT+ as a pejorative, as a negative.
It's about the strongly indicated hypocrisy. Regardless, if that aspect is not made clear then misgendering by itself is a mistake or worse.
Lunabell
(6,971 posts)And made clear by the admins that it is NOT tolerated. Even if the post does not get removed, the admins will remove it. N/T
Think. Again.
(18,358 posts)Lunabell
(6,971 posts)And calling him "Miss Lindsey" to insult him is misgendering and homo/transphobic. But, some people on here still go there.
Think. Again.
(18,358 posts)Gender identity and sexual orientation are two different things.
So many people are stuck in the binary mindset and don't comprehend how diverse humanity actually is.
LiberalArkie
(16,567 posts)I do not understand how he tolerates his own people.
JI7
(90,663 posts)We lose white voters overall but the fact is if we look to educated whites and certain religious minorities than we have a better chance of gaining among educated whites than certain religious minorities.
In close elections these things can make a difference.
And there are some issues we need to be more tough on and show it publicly such as being tough on crime and immigration/ border . This will also make it easier even we want to legalize certain people like children that were brought here as undocumented immigrants .
Tweedy
(1,171 posts)while shaking down businesses and farmers for donations*.
The GOP initiated shakedowns last time we listened to shrill, hateful noise about tariffs and deportations. Basically some businesses got exemptions from tariffs while their competitors got raided by the INS. Why did some get exemptions? Follow the money incoming to various GOP fronts.
We have been told by the GOP repeatedly that everybody has to pay them to play and failure to do so will result in state sanctioned punishment. Listen. Some GOP frontman says this just about everyday.
We watched this extortionist grift play out in Florida with Disney within everybodys short term memory.
No doubt this is a grift that will cause real pain and suffering. That too is welcomed by todays GOP. Nonetheless, the primary purpose is grift.
*wing nut welfare is a gop institution that runs throughout our supposedly charitable sectors. Wingnut charities help billionaires, buy adherents cheaply and work to destroy just about everything that makes America great.
Why? The easier to rob our country many people do say.
Clouds Passing
(2,396 posts)Tweedy
(1,171 posts)This kind of dishonesty has many names.
BannonsLiver
(18,059 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(51,037 posts)Sympthsical
(10,292 posts)ecstatic
(34,421 posts)It's disgusting but this is America for now.
3auld6phart
(1,278 posts)That is terrible. I get so downhearted reading stuff like that. bloody cruel.
relayerbob
(7,039 posts)NotHardly
(1,228 posts)DownriverDem
(6,663 posts)trumpers hate black people.
B.See
(3,711 posts)young Black voters like those cited in the op, Latino Trump supporters, and other minorites who voted for Trump don't realize we are all in the SAME BOAT.
That's how hate peddling fascists and chaos agents like Trump work.
By playing upon resentment and dividing people in ways that make them think they're not among the "you people" who Trump and his MAGAS hate.
keroro gunsou
(2,228 posts)(paraphrasing here since it's 4 am)
after 9/11 there was a LOT of accepted racism against foreigners, especially the ones from the middle east, and to the public, that was cool... but over time the message evolved and started to quietly add other minority groups. - that train is NEVER late.
he's right. when it comes to hatred, no one is safe.
B.See
(3,711 posts)it's gotten progressively worse. To the point where Black homeowners in white majority neighborhoods have had cops called on them by bigots questioning their legitimacy and Black kids participating in school sporting events are getting called the n-word from bigots in the bleachers.
Yet there are minority voters who voted Trump, thereby empowering and rubber stamping that kind of shit.
Then we have privileged prcks like Donnie Jr. celebrating the win of a blonde Miss Universe by posting shit like,
'Biological & objectively attractive women are allowed to win beauty pageants again. WE ARE SO BACK!!!'
So yes. SOME of us know what fkrs like Trump mean when they speak of 'poisoning the blood'...
even though some apparently don't (or don't CARE).
Evolve Dammit
(18,806 posts)LilElf70
(477 posts)So far, he's right in line with his ultimate goal of dictator.
Buckle up tight.
His next 4 years will be by far, much worse.
And I expect to hear more stories, just like this. It's so sad.
Red Mountain
(1,896 posts)The Hispanics I used to work with (all from Mexico) didn't like black people, to put it nicely.
They were undocumented but able to work because they were grandfathered in prior to e-verify. They had fake social security #s, paid their taxes through their paychecks and couldn't file a return. You'd think that would raise some flags but the system doesn't seem to care, go figure.
I always suspected it was in part due to friction between the groups when Hispanics arrived on the scene and began moving into poor historically black areas......they were easy prey. I doubt that lasted long but it was embedded in local Hispanic culture from the get-go......probably amplified by their media (though that's pure conjecture).
Anyway, page from the classic playbook......keep the poor at each other's throats and they won't notice who is really keeping them down. Never seems to fail.
Sad.
BeerBarrelPolka
(1,276 posts)The Hispanics I know in Chicago feel the same way.
kimbutgar
(23,404 posts)That young black couple might be made second class slaves if the white supremacy gets it way in this country under the orange Hitler 2.0.
patphil
(7,005 posts)As if they needed to be encouraged to hate.
Something the Magats never understood, and never will: Hate never made anything great.
They can never be happy as long as their prime reaction to so much of what makes America great is hatred.
dlk
(12,418 posts)n/t