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spooky3

(36,424 posts)
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 08:43 PM Dec 1

Joe Walsh (on MSNBC just now), you are wrong, wrong, wrong in your take on Hunter Biden's pardon

It won't embolden Trump. Trump has shown repeatedly that he will do whatever he damn pleases. Joe Biden's action is irrelevant.

Joe Biden didn't pardon him simply because he loves his son. He pardoned him because it clearly was a targeted prosecution by Republicans who wanted to discredit and harass Hunter's father, and because Hunter has paid his dues.

A pardon is entirely appropriate and just.

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Joe Walsh (on MSNBC just now), you are wrong, wrong, wrong in your take on Hunter Biden's pardon (Original Post) spooky3 Dec 1 OP
He seems pretty irked about this but not about TSF's pardons and now cabinet picks Deuxcents Dec 1 #1
This! Dem4life1234 Dec 1 #11
I find that weird as well. Evolve Dammit Dec 2 #51
Fortunately, Anthony Coley, who previously worked with Merrick Garland, is now on disagreeing with Walsh. spooky3 Dec 1 #2
Good! ShazzieB Dec 1 #26
Completely agree with you PlanetBev Dec 1 #3
F**k Joe Walsh. His ass-holishness has reappeared. skylucy Dec 1 #4
He's also a repuke so for people to expect anything different arthritisR_US Dec 2 #35
Joe has episodes where he reverts back awesomerwb1 Dec 1 #5
Walsh has always been a good example ... krkaufman Dec 1 #15
Republicans gonna Republican. Karasu Dec 2 #40
I agree with both Joes Jilly_in_VA Dec 1 #6
Joe Walsh is opposed to the pardon. He didn't say he thought it was a bullshit prosecution IIRC. nt spooky3 Dec 1 #9
I was confused too. tavernier Dec 2 #48
They can go and shout to themselves this country is facing FloridaBlues Dec 1 #7
They can go and shout to themselves this country is facing FloridaBlues Dec 1 #8
I believe that MAGAGOP was trying their damnedest to destroy Joe thru Hunter... Hekate Dec 1 #10
The GOPee/Nazi Brigade was trying to make Hunter stumble and fall back into,... magicarpet Dec 1 #14
Amen 1,000,000! ShazzieB Dec 1 #27
I think they were at least trying to make him start using again. Ocelot II Dec 1 #30
You are right Hekate Dec 1 #31
Better to pardon him angrychair Dec 1 #12
spooky3 speaks the TRUTH!! maspaha Dec 1 #13
Exactly. LisaL Dec 1 #16
I always suspected that they went after Hunter because they couldn't touch Joe. calimary Dec 1 #17
That was OBVIOUS.... AZ8theist Dec 1 #20
Is this the same Joe Walsh who screamed "YOU LIE!!" to President Obama during the SotU speech??? AZ8theist Dec 1 #18
Not to defend Walsh, but that wasn't him. MissLilyBart Dec 1 #25
OK, thanks. Wasn't sure. AZ8theist Dec 2 #33
The guy who pardoned his son-in-law's father and will be nominating him as ambassor to France is not already emboldened? In It to Win It Dec 1 #19
HUNTER BIDEN 2028 Jack Valentino Dec 1 #21
I disagree, leave the family alone, they've been through enough. arthritisR_US Dec 2 #37
False Outrage of MAGA bmichaelh Dec 1 #22
I totally agree, lesson his authoritarian impulses. arthritisR_US Dec 2 #38
LOL I've heard this take multiple times already and it just keeps getting more absurd Takket Dec 1 #23
Mahalo Spooky.. who was JW talking to on MSNBC.. Cha Dec 1 #24
It was Melissa Murray hosting spooky3 Dec 1 #32
Thanks... I haven't heard that name on Cha Dec 2 #34
She's a frequent guest. My post may have been unclear. Joe Walsh spooky3 Dec 2 #36
Oh my Gosh.. I totally read thatt Wrong.. Mahalo Cha Dec 2 #49
i agree w/you 100% !! nt orleans Dec 1 #28
Perfect, especially the part about a father's love. Fuck them all. MMBeilis Dec 1 #29
wow, brilliant! bluboid Dec 2 #39
Well now that Trump will be President, Joe Walsh may decide to be MAGA. SunSeeker Dec 2 #41
I would be very concerned for the moniss Dec 2 #42
Good point. nt SunSeeker Dec 2 #43
I think rump picking such a blatantly corrupt Sugarcoated Dec 2 #44
Dangerous psychopaths don't need excuses to commit crimes. Irish_Dem Dec 2 #45
Optics Bluetus Dec 2 #46
IMHO anyone genuinely concerned with optics spooky3 Dec 2 #47
100% correct malaise Dec 2 #50
the witch hunt that was. pansypoo53219 Dec 3 #52

Dem4life1234

(2,004 posts)
11. This!
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 09:01 PM
Dec 1

He needs to shut the fuck up and move on. He should worry about a rapist pedo leading the helm and his nefarious unqualified cabinet picks. That's what he should be upset about!

These mainstream media people are so weird and then they wonder why their ratings are dropping. I am sick of all of them. They are dangerous because they are the reason why he's about to be in office again.

spooky3

(36,424 posts)
2. Fortunately, Anthony Coley, who previously worked with Merrick Garland, is now on disagreeing with Walsh.
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 08:45 PM
Dec 1

PlanetBev

(4,230 posts)
3. Completely agree with you
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 08:46 PM
Dec 1

I was hoping Joe would change his mind and pardon Hunter. That family has suffered enough. Looking forward to hearing the Right scream like banshees.

krkaufman

(13,759 posts)
15. Walsh has always been a good example ...
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 09:38 PM
Dec 1

… of why opposition to Trump is not a sufficient threshold warranting a platform.

Jilly_in_VA

(11,110 posts)
6. I agree with both Joes
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 08:51 PM
Dec 1

Biden AND Walsh. This was a bullshit prosecution from start to finish. We can only expect more of such in the coming four years. If Hunter's last name had been anything but Biden, he'd have been let off with a slap on the wrist, if anything at all.

spooky3

(36,424 posts)
9. Joe Walsh is opposed to the pardon. He didn't say he thought it was a bullshit prosecution IIRC. nt
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 08:58 PM
Dec 1

tavernier

(13,284 posts)
48. I was confused too.
Mon Dec 2, 2024, 01:09 PM
Dec 2

I thought you were quoting Walsh. After re-reading, I realized that was your quote, not Walsh’s.

FloridaBlues

(4,392 posts)
7. They can go and shout to themselves this country is facing
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 08:53 PM
Dec 1

A dictator and republicans yawn at trump.
So happy Joe did this for his son.
Don’t worry by tomorrow trump will select another low life to cabinet.

FloridaBlues

(4,392 posts)
8. They can go and shout to themselves this country is facing
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 08:53 PM
Dec 1

A dictator and republicans yawn at trump.
So happy Joe did this for his son.
Don’t worry by tomorrow trump will select another low life to cabinet.

Hekate

(95,297 posts)
10. I believe that MAGAGOP was trying their damnedest to destroy Joe thru Hunter...
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 09:00 PM
Dec 1

After awhile, I thought it looked like they were trying to make Hunter kill himself to destroy Joe. It was that bad.

Good for President Biden. This is the right thing to do.

magicarpet

(16,974 posts)
14. The GOPee/Nazi Brigade was trying to make Hunter stumble and fall back into,...
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 09:31 PM
Dec 1

..... the abyss of drug abuse. That was one of their ways to tear Joe Biden down. So the Orange Menace would easily win his second term (that djt thought Biden cheated him out of).

ShazzieB

(18,925 posts)
27. Amen 1,000,000!
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 11:08 PM
Dec 1

I've been hiding from the news lately, so I hadn't heard about this until now. What lovely news!

Ocelot II

(121,502 posts)
30. I think they were at least trying to make him start using again.
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 11:19 PM
Dec 1

It went way beyond a legitimate prosecution for a crime of possessing a gun while abusing drugs. Hunter did commit that crime, but it was one that is almost never prosecuted when there's no underlying crime, as in where the gun is used. If it had been a routine prosecution without a political motive a pardon might not have been appropriate, but Hunter was targeted for the express purpose of harming Joe politically. I think Joe changed his mind when he saw what Trump's DoJ was going to turn into - little but a mechanism for retribution on Trump's behalf - and Trump clearly wanted very much to punish Joe for the 2020 election and intended to do so. Hunter was about to be sentenced for this "crime," but investigations almost certainly would continue under Patel's FBI and Bondi's prosecutors regarding Burisma and who knows what other matters, and it would never end until Hunter broke. Joe must have realized that, and concluded that a pardon was necessary to save Hunter's sobriety if not his life. These are vicious people and they wouldn't have stopped.

angrychair

(9,899 posts)
12. Better to pardon him
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 09:23 PM
Dec 1

Why would he leave his own child at the mercy of those monsters? This was the only possible and best thing he could do to protect him from unrelenting harassment.

calimary

(84,612 posts)
17. I always suspected that they went after Hunter because they couldn't touch Joe.
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 09:42 PM
Dec 1

Cuz they wanted to hurt Joe Biden. But since they couldn’t pin anything on him, and thru STILL wanted to hurt Joe Biden, they went after his son.

BASTARDS.

AZ8theist

(6,555 posts)
20. That was OBVIOUS....
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 10:15 PM
Dec 1

But let's not even WHISPER a peep about Jared Kushner selling out our intelligence assets for $2 BILLION!!
Assassinated assets? Spies tortured and killed in Russia and Saudi Arabia?? WHO CARES??

NO NO NO!!!

NOTHING TO SEE THERE!!!

The corruption and hypocricy (AND TREASON) of the Reich Wing in America is beyond belief.....

AZ8theist

(6,555 posts)
18. Is this the same Joe Walsh who screamed "YOU LIE!!" to President Obama during the SotU speech???
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 10:08 PM
Dec 1

What rock did this slimebag crawl out from under?????

MissLilyBart

(107 posts)
25. Not to defend Walsh, but that wasn't him.
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 11:02 PM
Dec 1

It was Joe Wilson of South Carolina who engaged in that disgraceful outburst.

Joe Walsh wasn't even in Congress in 2009.

In It to Win It

(9,766 posts)
19. The guy who pardoned his son-in-law's father and will be nominating him as ambassor to France is not already emboldened?
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 10:09 PM
Dec 1

bmichaelh

(644 posts)
22. False Outrage of MAGA
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 10:47 PM
Dec 1

Does not matter what Biden does.

Trump is driven by immediate impulses.

Trump does not have any kind of moral code that he lives by.

This outrage that MAGA shows will not be there if Trump tries to pardon himself.

I wish Biden would pardon everyone on Trump's enemy list.

Not because they did anything wrong; far from it; so that it would set back his revenge presidency.

Takket

(22,664 posts)
23. LOL I've heard this take multiple times already and it just keeps getting more absurd
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 10:55 PM
Dec 1

How could ANYONE look at the cast of grifters, conmen, rapists and felons that drumpf is trotting out to run the country and think for HALF A SECOND that drumpf wouldn't do something horrible, but now he will because Biden pardoned Hunter. That is such a STUPID take......... absolutely NOTHING about drumpf's presidency will change because of this.

Cha

(305,861 posts)
24. Mahalo Spooky.. who was JW talking to on MSNBC..
Sun Dec 1, 2024, 10:58 PM
Dec 1

that I guess was pearl clutching about repercussions?

The Pardoning of Hunter was More Important than any side effects.

Excellent Statement.

Cha

(305,861 posts)
34. Thanks... I haven't heard that name on
Mon Dec 2, 2024, 12:15 AM
Dec 2

here before.

I don't have a TV... just curious who's being so Ignorant purposely or otherwise.

It was a really good response by Joe Walsh. TY for reporting it!

spooky3

(36,424 posts)
36. She's a frequent guest. My post may have been unclear. Joe Walsh
Mon Dec 2, 2024, 12:20 AM
Dec 2

Last edited Mon Dec 2, 2024, 02:29 AM - Edit history (1)

Was upset that Joe Biden pardoned Hunter. He said it would embolden Trump and that it was wrong and ranted on. Murray asked wouldn’t a father who loves his son pardon him in these circumstances and Walsh disagreed.

SunSeeker

(54,064 posts)
41. Well now that Trump will be President, Joe Walsh may decide to be MAGA.
Mon Dec 2, 2024, 04:50 AM
Dec 2

He went from Tea Party to Never Trumper and can just as easily swing back. Fuck him.

moniss

(6,151 posts)
42. I would be very concerned for the
Mon Dec 2, 2024, 05:13 AM
Dec 2

personal safety of Hunter if he were in prison while Donald Crumb and his people are in control and how they could "manufacture" incidents of misconduct in prison in order to bring additional charges and keep him behind bars for years and years. Likewise I do not put it past these people to arrange serious physical harm to Hunter. That would be their "payback" to Joe. Protective placement means nothing. Remember that Epstein was in protective custody and supposedly monitored 24/7.

Sugarcoated

(8,116 posts)
44. I think rump picking such a blatantly corrupt
Mon Dec 2, 2024, 06:37 AM
Dec 2

and partisan Cash Patel for FBI was the catalyst for Joe to ultimately decide to pardon Hunter

Bluetus

(298 posts)
46. Optics
Mon Dec 2, 2024, 10:55 AM
Dec 2

Last edited Mon Dec 2, 2024, 11:39 AM - Edit history (1)

The substance is clear enough. This was a weaponized prosecution, and for a person whose crimes were a drug habit and not checking the right box on a gun permit for a weapon he never used, the consequences have already been extreme. Any reasonable person would say that Hunter has more than paid the price for the things he did. And there is no evidence that Joe interfered with ANY of that, as extreme and unprecedented as it was.

Now, we were looking at the prospects of Trump with his cabinet of crazies adding 4 more years of hell and enormous expense to the punishment that has already been dealt. As a practical matter, this is a no-brainer. Take that away from Trump.

As far as optics go, that is just a Beltway thing. I don't believe anybody else cases. It is not like Joe is letting a mass murderer, or even serial sexual offender, loose on the public. I hope Biden's end-of-term actions don't stop here. Let's get the full Epstein file put into the public domain, as well as the unredacted Mueller report, and Jack Smith's complete findings.

spooky3

(36,424 posts)
47. IMHO anyone genuinely concerned with optics
Mon Dec 2, 2024, 11:30 AM
Dec 2

(a) must be so horrified with Trump actions by now that they have moved to Antarctica and buried themselves in snow. Or

(b) has a serious priority problem, to put optics over justice.

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