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pnwmom

(109,638 posts) Mon Dec 2, 2024, 10:36 PM Dec 2

The people criticizing Joe are ignoring why he was JUSTIFIED in changing his mind.

With nominees like Kash Patel (FBI) and Matt Gaetz (now followed by Pam Bondi) why the hell should Joe Biden expect the US justice system under Trump to treat Hunter justly? Prosecutors already failed when they reacted to Republican pressure by cancelling Hunter's plea deal and subjecting him to a new trial.

And now Trump's rats nest of criminal justice nominees -- every one of them a Trump sycophant -- is the changed circumstance that fully justifies Joe's change of heart.

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The people criticizing Joe are ignoring why he was JUSTIFIED in changing his mind. (Original Post) pnwmom Dec 2 OP

Kick dalton99a Dec 2 #1

Parents enrolled their 17 year old daughter in a private school BOSSHOG Dec 2 #2

In a world turned upside down Meowmee Dec 2 #3

He did not change his mind. He got new data (Patel) that demanded a different response. CincyDem Dec 2 #4

OTOH people defending Biden are overstating the protective nature of the pardon. RockRaven Dec 2 #5

That's true. But Biden's ability to pardon doesn't extend into the future, unfortunately. He did all he could do. nt pnwmom Dec 2 #6

Congressional hearings where Hunter can no longer plead the 5th will be the mechanism. kelly1mm Dec 2 #8

He already testified to Congress this February, and didn't plead the 5th. SunSeeker Dec 3 #11

Then it won't be a problem for him to testify again. And again. And again. The Republicans will get their pound of kelly1mm Dec 3 #12

Well it won't lower the price of eggs. SunSeeker Dec 3 #13

They will still go after Hunter to get to President Biden. Here is how. kelly1mm Dec 2 #7

Hunter has been pretty forthcoming about his life. He has already testified to Congress. SunSeeker Dec 3 #10

He should pardon more people Quanta Dec 2 #9

about 80 million of us that voted for him. Trump hates us all and wants revenge. Pardon please. ZonkerHarris Dec 3 #14

Yes they are "Ignoring" It.. And, Gaslighting. Wouldn't Cha Dec 3 #15

Wasn't Colonel Vindman wonderful? Even though he was directly attacked, he stood up for the truth. nt pnwmom Dec 3 #16

Yes, Speaking of No Fear! Cha Dec 3 #17

dalton99a

(84,881 posts)

1. Kick

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Dec 2, 2024, 10:36 PM

Dec 2

BOSSHOG

(40,280 posts)

2. Parents enrolled their 17 year old daughter in a private school

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Dec 2, 2024, 10:40 PM

Dec 2

After the enrollment they found out that Gaetz, Patel, hegseth, Vance and trump had been newly hired by the school as teachers. The parents instantly canceled their daughter’s enrollment and sent her to public school. FOR HER SAFETY.

BUT HIS PARDON.

Meowmee

(6,125 posts)

3. In a world turned upside down

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Dec 2, 2024, 10:54 PM

Dec 2

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Where a psychopath and his band of equal criminals psychos and fascists etc. will soon take over.. again, I have to wonder why anyone is surprised or even discussing this.

CincyDem

(6,962 posts)

4. He did not change his mind. He got new data (Patel) that demanded a different response.

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Dec 2, 2024, 10:56 PM

Dec 2

He said he wouldn’t pardon him.

He learned kash Patel will likely become a key player at DoJ. The same kash Patel who’s had a raging hard on for hunter going on 4 years.

With that new knowledge, he reached a different conclusion.

New data = new decision.

RockRaven

(16,537 posts)

5. OTOH people defending Biden are overstating the protective nature of the pardon.

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Dec 2, 2024, 10:57 PM

Dec 2

A corrupted DOJ/FBI will not be deterred from ruining Hunter's (or anyone else's) life going forward just because of a pardon.

They can still enmesh that person in some investigation in a ruinous fashion (stress and other health detriments, loss of work opportunities, leaks and smears, inspiring public threats/harassment, legal fees) even if they cannot prosecute that person for some certain actions.

Even a broad pardon isn't a broad shield, if one supposes a corrupt and unprofessional DOJ (and absent one, a pardon isn't so justified).

pnwmom

(109,638 posts)

6. That's true. But Biden's ability to pardon doesn't extend into the future, unfortunately. He did all he could do. nt

Reply to RockRaven (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 2, 2024, 11:04 PM

Dec 2

kelly1mm

(5,413 posts)

8. Congressional hearings where Hunter can no longer plead the 5th will be the mechanism.

Reply to RockRaven (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 2, 2024, 11:13 PM

Dec 2

Don't show up/refuse to answer? Contempt of Congress and AG Bondi prosecutes.
Show up and answer any question not 100% correctly? Perjury and AG Bondi prosecutes.

SunSeeker

(54,064 posts)

11. He already testified to Congress this February, and didn't plead the 5th.

Reply to kelly1mm (Reply #8)

Tue Dec 3, 2024, 12:58 AM

Dec 3

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hunter-biden-testifies-house-oversight-judiciary-impeachment/

kelly1mm

(5,413 posts)

12. Then it won't be a problem for him to testify again. And again. And again. The Republicans will get their pound of

Reply to SunSeeker (Reply #11)

Tue Dec 3, 2024, 01:11 AM

Dec 3

flesh, one way or another. It seems to be the focus of the incoming administration.

SunSeeker

(54,064 posts)

13. Well it won't lower the price of eggs.

Reply to kelly1mm (Reply #12)

Tue Dec 3, 2024, 01:34 AM

Dec 3

And that's what most people care about, apparently.

BTW, where do you get your news?

kelly1mm

(5,413 posts)

7. They will still go after Hunter to get to President Biden. Here is how.

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Dec 2, 2024, 11:09 PM

Dec 2

The Republican House and Senate will subpoena him to hearings and ask him under oath about all the alleged business improprieties along with his escapades during his addiction in order to try and besmirch President Biden . He no longer has criminal liability so he cannot (legally) refuse to answer. If he refuses he will be held in contempt of congress and AG Bondi will prosecute. (since that 'crime' will be after the dates covered by the pardon).
If he does answer and he does not 100% tell the truth, AG Bondi will prosecute for lying to congress. (again, since that 'crime' will be after the dates covered by the pardon).

Any objection to a contempt of congress prosecution by Democrats will be blunted as President Biden's DOJ prosecuted Bannon for the same thing.

Hunter Biden and President Biden will not be able to get this behind them until the Republicans have got their pound of flesh, one way of the other.