Hypocrites! Every last one of them!

"Trump granted clemency to five of his former campaign staff members and political advisers: Paul Manafort, Roger Stone, Michael Flynn, Stephen K. Bannon, and George Papadopoulos."

This is part of a post by another DUer from two days ago that I saved as a reference, but I don't remember who posted it. Apologies to the author.

Don’t particularly care about the Hunter pardon saga, but this just isn’t true.

Had to look it up, but you are correct. Clemency versus Pardon. On the other hand, Bush didn’t have to worry about his successor going on a revenge tour against his son.

Which would not be subject to pardon or commutation.

doesn’t appear to have actually happened.

I agree with Biden’s reasoning in pardoning Hunter, but we should be looking out for misinformation.

'But the luckiest thing about this lucky American businessman is that his father and brother were both presidents of the United States and that his father exercised his unlimited constitutional power of clemency to pardon the Lucky American Businessman for all that S&L business way back when. The president’s name was George H.W. Bush. The Lucky American Businessman was his son, Neil, whose brother, George, later became president of the United States himself...The Moral: Shut the fuck up about Hunter Biden, please. The pardon power is—theoretically, anyway—the only untrammeled royal authority granted to the office by the Constitution'.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a63082689/neil-bush-george-hw-bush-presidential-pardon/.

Nice try.

It doesn’t look like Neil Bush was ever criminally charged at the federal level.

He was involved in all sorts of shadiness in the S&L collapse, but only faced civil penalties.

This claim went viral, it looks like Pierce never fact checked it.

The DOJ has a list of all of them going back to Nixon

https://www.justice.gov/pardon/commutations-granted-president-george-h-w-bush-1989-1993
https://www.justice.gov/pardon/pardons-granted-president-george-h-w-bush-1989-1993

Which is nicer than a pardon.

Plus, presidential nepotism forgives other things, like...

Know your BFEE: Neil Bush hangs out with Russian Mafiya Godfather

https://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2082945

You know, helps keep the media focused on how great the Bush clan is.

""We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." - William J. Casey, CIA Director

I'm sure that he would have been able to say many more interesting things if his testimony before Congress in the Iran-Contra affair had not been pre-empted by the surgery which left him unable to speak.

By his father

Yet lots of DUers are accepting it as true and repeating it.
At some point, Charles Pierce will have to walk back his claim or his credibility will be very damaged.

You Biden Bashers need to take a good hard look at this.

Here's a list of all of Bush I's pardons and Neil isn't on it. https://www.justice.gov/pardon/pardons-granted-president-george-h-w-bush-1989-1993

Thank you mcar for bringing us the delightful Charles Pierce

Neil was an outside director at a failed savings and loan association in the 1990s. Since he did not face criminal charges he didn't need pardoning.

Clinton and Vindman, and others on Trump's enemies list need.

and also targets. President Biden should give them the widest possible pardon.

Rec

Trump pardoned him before he served a single day in prison.

https://www.eastcountymagazine.org/trump-pardons-former-rep-hunter-campaign-finance-crimes

Hunter was a mouthpiece on right-wing media for Trump, and was never held accountable for diverting massive amounts of campaign funds for personal use such as trips with his mistresses.

Abraham Lincoln pardoned a cousin of his wife, Mary Todd Lincoln, who supported the Confederacy during the Civil War.

Bill Clinton pardoned his half-brother, Roger Clinton, on drug-related charges in 2001.


George HW Bush had granted clemency to his son Neil Bush, linked to the Silverado Savings and Loan scandal.

Jimmy Carter had pardoned his brother Billy Carter, who was embroiled in financial disputes with Libya.

https://www.newsbytesapp.com/news/world/joe-biden-to-bill-clinton-us-presidents-who-have-pardoned-family-members/story

Neil Bush was never pardoned or granted clemency.

Billy Carter never received a pardon from his brother.

Lots of misinformation flying around.

He's not on the list of Bush I's pardons. https://www.justice.gov/pardon/pardons-granted-president-george-h-w-bush-1989-1993

and how such misinformation persists even when the facts are posted.
No, Neil Bush did not receive a pardon or a grant of clemency from GHWBush.
No, Billy Carter did not receive a pardon or a grant of clemency from Jimmy Carter.

https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2024/12/fact-check-presidents-jimmy-carter-george-h-w-bush-did-not-pardon-family-members.html#google_vignette

Those are verifiable facts and anyone posting false statements to the contrary should delete them, imo.

NT

It always kind of amazes me. Google is right there. We have more access to knowledge than any humans in all of history. By orders of magnitude greater.

And humans are still, "Ehhhh, that would take me, like, 20 seconds to check. I'm sure it's fine."

It's funnier still that Esquire published it. Quality publication right there.

Neil Bush walked away from the S&L wreckage with $45 million.

Charlie Pierce does have style. I knew everything he was talking about, but when he said "sit yourselves down here by the turf fire.." I knew it was going to be good. So I read it out-loud to my kitty in my aged story-telling voice and we both enjoyed every bit of it. Nope, Joe Biden needn't worry about what all the Repugs are whining about, and he's not. Believe me, he's not.

So there is a tradition.

Lamestream Crporate Media are subject to it.

I wouldn’t say they suffer from it. They seem to actually enjoy their affliction.

George HW Bush Justice Department let Neil Bush and his S&L co-conspirators skate.

Criminal Activity Associated with S&L Failures

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Ettleson, Sherry and Thomas Hilliard, Crime and Punishment in the S&L Industry: The Bush Administration's Anemic War on S&L Fraud, Washington, DC: Public Citizen's Congress Watch, 1990.

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Last Updated: June 12, 2023

Source: https://www.fdic.gov/publications/criminal-activity-associated-sl-failures

that you are implicated in. Trump shouldn't be able to pardon J6ers.

Pardoning a son who is no danger to anybody is incidental. It's the worst the Republicans can come up with, while their guy is a professional criminal. Come on. Why are there any Dems criticizing Biden on this? As if leaving his son to rot in jail would have gotten any approval by Republicans or prevented any Trump pardons.

I saw Tuberville say it was ok to pardon his son, but Biden shouldn't have lied about it. Are you kidding, anyone supporting Trump is concerned about lying????!!!!!