These fcker's and their for profit companies murder us, and shareholders applaud

Reviewed by their crack squad of noone.

This has always been an eye for eye society.

...it sounded to me that you were saying WE were the cause of his death.

But you should read the posts again, I don't think anyone's applauding the murder, just the death.

You keep posting as though the two things are unrelated.

....discussing the murderer's actions and discussing the victim's life and death.

Sometimes how a person dies isn't related to the fact they are no longer doing the things they did in life.

Pretty sure they don't know the history, though, and how all that turned out.

it is uncivilized

responses are full of glee

this is one case for me. Killing someone is rather extreme.

The very nature of the killing makes it sound like a 'hit', which makes me think that someone was mad at him to warrant them to put out a hit on them either by contracting it out or doing it themselves. A little extreme. Owning a bookmaker lots of money doesn't sound reasonable being that the guy made lots of money. So, the other, maybe reasonable excuse is health care denied in an unfortunate case, where the patient denied died as a result of the denial.

It's too bad that health care decisions (if the reason why the assassination occurred) are often out of the hands of the patients and their immediate doctors, it seems like. On the other hand, sometimes the health care agency is too intrusive, like mine is, pushing me to get procedures done for no reason at all in my mind, that is, I've never had anything happen that warranted such procedures.

It's aggravating, and sometimes too much, especially if you take them up on the offer, then they'll turn around later and deny you later care regarding that same, slightly different procedure.

They asked what was with all of the posts applauding the murder and there have been a lot.

"are we now following Whiny and Musk in “eliminating” enemies?"
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19788023

You have a point.

You see it in things like this, support for authoritarian policies, people advocating in favor of coups.

It is a sad state of affairs we find ourselves in.

That said, I don’t give a damn that he was killed. One less greedy monster doesn’t keep me up at night.

...but I do know the suffering his profiteering causes, so yes, I'm glad he's not around anymore.

because when the abortion doctor was murdered, they were full of glee and high fiving each other. Sorry, but I remember that. It was repulsive. I’m not going to banish anyone doing the same with this guy.

If you're saying that there's open celebrating on DU, I just haven't seen it.

on this and other threads are.

Karma is morally neutral.

He may have been a callous bean counter, true. People have said United Healthcare or whatever they're called is the worst for denying claims. The point is, though, what kind of people applaud murder. That's worthy of a dispassionate and rational discussion. I'd have to say that it illustrates how far anyone can fall when consumed by rage and resentment. Totally understandable and very human but is it good?

So, I guess it depends on who died.

I'm a bad person... I guess.

If they were murdered, then it would devolve into a fight.

unless it happens to someone we feel is getting their just desserts. That isn't really new, but was usually limited to people somehow connected to guns themselves.

It is alarming that this case the murder is "tolerated" because of his position in his company. There have been several suggestions that CEOs should have to fear for their lives and at least one explicitly suggesting more assassinations.

I am not sure if the influence of the incoming administration is affecting DUers, or maybe we just aren't as good as we like to tell ourselves we are.

Period.

The fact that someone is murdered in Manhattan in broad daylight on the way to a meeting is intolerable. DU is, should be, against gun violence. Period.

Really, the drama in this thread is reminiscent of a middle-school theater club.

a better system. Obviously, most of that blame is on GOPers.

But, I expect plenty more dancing on this guy's grave. Interestingly, I just looked and their stock is up 1.03%.

...people like this guy who was more than willing to enrich himself excessively off of our bad system, and actually agreed to have his company pay lobbyists to create this bad system.

we have. Harris sure didn't run on changing the healthcare system, likely because it would have been a loser in this election.

Bill Clinton signed it into law.

Medicare Advantage, originally known as Medicare+Choice, was established by the Balanced Budget Act of 1997.

Balanced budget act? I guess they didn't really mean that part.

Too many voters don’t want one option, and that includes a number of Democrats. Even if we could avoid insurance company lobbying, doctors and hospital lobbying, etc., I’m not sure we can convince half the voters it’s better in foreseeable future.

It’s disappointing.

I support freedom of choice so support the public option.

The health insurance system is 100% behind keeping their cash cow in place. Even here when we talk about single payer, the response is, "What about private insurance." Fuck them all. We deserve a better health care system than these dicks have given us.

I won't lose 2 seconds sleep over this douchebag being killed.

accept it if it’s like original Medicare-for-all? Until they do, we are stuck with what we have. Even the ACA is based upon private insurers.

oversee or engineer human misery at the mass scale.

We see it with politicians and religious leaders, why not business types too? I don't think there is anything novel about what I've seen thus far.

How many politicians and religious leaders are murdered?

The Trump shootings were a big deal.

Consider Gaza and Lebanon the past few months, and look how DU responds to various public figures' deaths.

And we have business type examples, consider Russian oligarchs "falling out of windows" or "hanging themselves" and look how DU responds to those deaths.

The response to this UHC guy isn't a "new DU" as was opined in the OP. It is in line with prior similar events.

If one finds those responses unpalatable and in need of change, that's fine, but one gets nowhere by misdiagnosing these responses as new or unique.

Yes, political assassinations are common in unstable areas. They are not common in the US.

Murder of CEOs occur from time to time here in the US. We don't know the motive in this case.

I can think of numerous motives. Often, it is a power struggle within the corporation. Someone else wants the job. However, with an open hit, it doesn't look that way.

ETA: A few CEOs were targets of the unibomber.

When a black child was murdered the whites would say he was a drug dealer and deserved it. Do research on Young Boys, Inc for an answer to the puzzled look on your face that you have now.

it's nothing like that

I’m not happy, I’m not sad.

But I think the circumstances of the murder, who he was and the reactions to it are interesting to observe.

"UnitedHealthcare is the worst insurance company for paying claims with about one-third of claims denied."

How many people has he killed?

And murder is not the answer

I'll grieve for the family of all those who died because he denied their insurance claim.

Was justified in your mind? He didn’t murder anyone

Denying care someone needed to live is murder. And he is a serial killer.
So I feel nothing for his death, but please, show me where I said the murder was justified.

Justified, righteous, etc? I think that's an important philosophical question.

shedding no tears over this asshat and his family is not the same as saying the killing was justified.
A distinction many here can't seem to make.

and wanting these fuckers to pay for their actions. I'm more commenting on where all that might lead, as well as how that kind of rage effects the person holding it.

Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves.
- Confusius

Outrage at what is happening in this country?

(and lower tier 'reactionary' at that)
and then you have to ladle on a good helping of the just plain foolish and unthinking ...

The ethics played out here are certainly nothing approaching admirable or pristine. (and sometimes fall short of bare minimum)

(and, no - it's been that way for a good while .. )

It'll return to a semblance of normalcy at some point, of course. For now, though, I'm like

Would we be making jokes if he still worked at Price Waterhouse?

Two children are now without their Father because of a cold blooded murder.

"Two children are now without their Father because of a cold blooded murder."

...would apply to at least one of the families his company denied coverage to.

eom

replace a father. What a cold response. Have liberals lost all compassion?

eom

saying murder is the answer. It is unbelievable.

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the unspoken idea behind what you did say

Good day to you.

You’re just ignoring the truth. Read over some of the comments.

And that's the truth.

saying denial of coverage murdered people so he had it coming? What does denial of coverage have to do with it?

Quit making shit up.

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murdering the CEO of the company. Nothing justifies killing someone. It isn’t even self defense. I cannot believe you are trying to convince people that his murder was ok