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ck4829

(36,123 posts)
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 04:35 PM Dec 4

Wait, why are we all assuming that UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson was shot by someone denied coverage

or a relative of someone denied coverage?

I guess I'll be the first to suggest that he...

* Brought all the shareholders to a meeting, sat them all down, and showed them this story titled 'Anthem Insurance issues new edict to cap anesthesia coverage at a time limit', and he could have said "Now this is some bull right here, we will NEVER participate in such dystopian nonsense as this", nothing was stopping his brain from doing that, and that would have definitely ticked off shareholders and Anthem as well. Could have hypothetically happened.

* Said that in a call that the idea of "menstrual surveillance" was absolutely asinine and that he would have devoted UHC resources to a legal fund protecting the medical and insurance records that will fight to protect every file from being ogled over by prosecutors looking to investigate miscarriages. That would have also made shareholders absolutely angry if he planned on doing just that. It could have happened, right?

* Shared this report with his department in research titled 'Goldman Sachs asks in biotech research report: ‘Is curing patients a sustainable business model?'' and said "WHOA! This is unconscionable, guys! This is not only out of some evil nightmare, this flies in the face of what insurance should be about! Let's start supporting ways to get rid of diseases once and for all!" I'm sure Goldman Sachs could afford a hitman.

* Summoned up all the other health insurance CEOs and administrators in hospitals and said "Hey, hey, hey... did you know that the United State spends more on healthcare than every other western/global north country and yet does not have the life expectancy to go with that? Just look at this! This is not acceptable, my dudes! "World's greatest healthcare system" HAS to mean something! And if it doesn't change, and change soon, then I am going to start naming names to the public! Patients have to start coming first, this is unacceptable!" Nothing was stopping his brain from forming those words. And those words and promises for action might have caused someone else in the healthcare field to send someone after him. Could have happened.

I might also be a Kryptonian, but one of these examples of him doing the right and decent thing could have totally happened and that is what led to his death. So it seems a little hasty to assume it was someone denied coverage or a relative of someone denied coverage.

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Wait, why are we all assuming that UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson was shot by someone denied coverage (Original Post) ck4829 Dec 4 OP
It is not clear. That said, his wife reported his receiving threats. hlthe2b Dec 4 #1
Then she was totally in on it. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 4 #17
Maybe. I see it as being a highly upset insured member who may have been denied for a family member hlthe2b Dec 4 #25
The shooting will inspire a Law & Order episode. sop Dec 4 #26
Looks like they have a pretty good photo of his eyes. (He looks like my old neighbor) Hassin Bin Sober Dec 4 #38
Of course he would. But that doesn't mean much. People like that often receive threats and most are not acted upon. LeftInTX Dec 4 #35
Look at these denial stats LetMyPeopleVote Dec 4 #2
Yes, I am aware of that. ck4829 Dec 4 #12
Subtlety and irony just flew right by a lot of people, apparently. Nt lostnfound Dec 5 #40
Could have been someone closer to home malaise Dec 4 #3
I think it had to do Henry203 Dec 4 #4
I don't think anyone is assuming anything. yardwork Dec 4 #5
It's NY. Maybe someone wanted the stock to go down. /nt bucolic_frolic Dec 4 #6
Of course those could have happened biophile Dec 4 #7
Given the statistics on who murders and why, the most likely isn't that he was killed for his work as the CEO EdmondDantes_ Dec 4 #32
it's best to label things as satire on this site honestly WhiskeyGrinder Dec 4 #8
Laughing here Cirsium Dec 4 #20
I still believe a "satire" or "sarcasm" label is ... Whiskeytide Dec 4 #36
A simpler explanation is preferred, all other factors being equal. nt. Voltaire2 Dec 4 #9
Whoever the assassin is, it was done pretty cleanly for an amateur Dennis Donovan Dec 4 #10
Someone else here posted a couple of hours ago that ... Whiskeytide Dec 4 #37
The video shows the shooter using a suppressor (aka silencer) on the pistol. sop Dec 4 #11
Yet, apparently he had rack the pistol for each shot. A professional would own a better pistol, I'd think. Silent Type Dec 4 #18
Subsonic rounds often do not have enough power sarisataka Dec 4 #21
After the first shot the shooter didn't pull the slide back, it looked like the gun jammed and didn't fully chamber sop Dec 4 #23
Yeah. Not sure about going rate for an assassination is nowadays, but he should have added Silent Type Dec 4 #24
Sounds like a pro orangecrush Dec 4 #30
Must create a narrative and stick with it regardless the facts. Sneederbunk Dec 4 #13
There are facts already? Think. Again. Dec 4 #19
It appears to be a professional hit. But who knows at Klarkashton Dec 4 #14
I agree, that looked professional obamanut2012 Dec 4 #15
Because the scumbag promised to provide medical insurance coverage,... magicarpet Dec 4 #16
Recommended Cirsium Dec 4 #22
Like JFK's plans to pull US troops out of Vietnam? Bo Zarts Dec 4 #27
OK. But where do you think police will start to look for the shooter? Grins Dec 4 #28
We won't know anything until they catch the guy and that's an IF they catch him. Xolodno Dec 4 #29
They never caught the individual who planted pipe bombs in DC the night before January 6. sop Dec 4 #33
They won't catch him, he's a time traveler. I recognize the kit. hunter Dec 5 #41
For the record, I absolutely am not assuming that. NT Mike 03 Dec 4 #31
I thought it might have been a disgruntled shareholder nitpicked Dec 4 #34
It's merely a possibility. BlueTsunami2018 Dec 4 #39

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,791 posts)
17. Then she was totally in on it.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 05:08 PM
Dec 4

Only half joking.

People who do hits like this don’t threaten.

I was leaning toward the people who sold $65 million in stock and might be implicated in the insider trading he was being investigated for.

hlthe2b

(106,776 posts)
25. Maybe. I see it as being a highly upset insured member who may have been denied for a family member
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 05:34 PM
Dec 4

for a serious and fatal condition. Not just in the movies, this kind of burning resentment can be a major motivator--especially if the stats on their claim refusal rates being mentioned are true.

Obviously, we may both be wrong. But hopefully, it gets solved soon. If you are right, expect a Dateline episode coming our way.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,791 posts)
38. Looks like they have a pretty good photo of his eyes. (He looks like my old neighbor)
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 06:41 PM
Dec 4

He rode a rental bike into Central Park? No gloves? They are likely going to have his dna.

LeftInTX

(30,610 posts)
35. Of course he would. But that doesn't mean much. People like that often receive threats and most are not acted upon.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 06:11 PM
Dec 4

ck4829

(36,123 posts)
12. Yes, I am aware of that.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 04:49 PM
Dec 4

I don't actually believe he did anything close to what he did I put in the OP

malaise

(278,792 posts)
3. Could have been someone closer to home
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 04:40 PM
Dec 4

Last edited Wed Dec 4, 2024, 05:44 PM - Edit history (1)

but I won’t rule out an insurance connection.

biophile

(445 posts)
7. Of course those could have happened
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 04:44 PM
Dec 4

Angry ex-wife, illegitimate child denied recognition- many things are possible but people will generally gravitate toward the most likely scenario or explanation. People look at possibilities and probabilities and it may not be automatic assumption of truth but just recognizing the most likely reason.

EdmondDantes_

(116 posts)
32. Given the statistics on who murders and why, the most likely isn't that he was killed for his work as the CEO
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 05:56 PM
Dec 4

How many people each year are killed in romantic issues or family issues compared to how many CEOs are murdered as a direct result of their job? Seems more likely that it's a case of people assuming it's the reason they want it to be and saying that. We will find out soon enough based on the actuality.

Cirsium

(1,158 posts)
20. Laughing here
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 05:15 PM
Dec 4

It is hard to believe that people did not understand that OP, but I guess that is the case. Labeling that post as satire would have reduced its effectiveness.

Whiskeytide

(4,515 posts)
36. I still believe a "satire" or "sarcasm" label is ...
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 06:22 PM
Dec 4

… an affront to satire and sarcasm. People running down rabbit holes by failing to recognize it is a large part of the reward for the effort.

Dennis Donovan

(27,443 posts)
10. Whoever the assassin is, it was done pretty cleanly for an amateur
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 04:46 PM
Dec 4

It was someone under control, not apparently distressed.

Whiskeytide

(4,515 posts)
37. Someone else here posted a couple of hours ago that ...
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 06:33 PM
Dec 4

… the shooter dropped unused ammunition rounds and also dropped a water bottle he was on video purchasing nearby (suggesting they have unmasked video, perhaps?). And maybe fingerprints?

I don’t know if all that that’s true. But if it is, this looks a lot less like a professional hit and more like someone who was simply able to get close enough to shoot him in the chest.

sop

(11,587 posts)
11. The video shows the shooter using a suppressor (aka silencer) on the pistol.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 04:48 PM
Dec 4

Very few gun owners have them, they require a lot of paperwork to acquire, and you can't get a suppressor in NYC.

Don't know what it says about the shooter's motive, but it tells me he wasn't a typical or casual gun owner, and probably not from NYC.

Silent Type

(7,333 posts)
18. Yet, apparently he had rack the pistol for each shot. A professional would own a better pistol, I'd think.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 05:10 PM
Dec 4

sarisataka

(21,284 posts)
21. Subsonic rounds often do not have enough power
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 05:20 PM
Dec 4

to properly cycle a pistol, so it must be worked manually. Those type rounds with a silencer would start to approach what Hollywood gives the impression silenced weapons sound like.

sop

(11,587 posts)
23. After the first shot the shooter didn't pull the slide back, it looked like the gun jammed and didn't fully chamber
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 05:25 PM
Dec 4

the next round, forcing him to push the slide forward. After the second shot the pistol again failed to chamber the next round, and you can see him, with his back turned to the camera, trying to clear the jam. Definitely not a quality firearm.

Silent Type

(7,333 posts)
24. Yeah. Not sure about going rate for an assassination is nowadays, but he should have added
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 05:27 PM
Dec 4

in enough for a better pistol.

Klarkashton

(2,285 posts)
14. It appears to be a professional hit. But who knows at
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 04:56 PM
Dec 4

This point. Time will either tell or not.

magicarpet

(16,968 posts)
16. Because the scumbag promised to provide medical insurance coverage,...
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 05:01 PM
Dec 4

.... then cheated the customers of his company out of this coverage.

If done to thousands of sick patients and their families it is not far fetched one of them would lashout and target him in retribution for the damages, pain, and suffering he caused.

Grins

(7,940 posts)
28. OK. But where do you think police will start to look for the shooter?
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 05:45 PM
Dec 4

Certainly in the top three….

Xolodno

(6,760 posts)
29. We won't know anything until they catch the guy and that's an IF they catch him.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 05:47 PM
Dec 4

He obviously planned this:

1. Jumped on a CITI Bike to get away quickly.

2. Pre-planned route.

3. Masked his identity.

4. Probably changed somewhere, hence the back pack. May find it later, but not with him.

Apparently the bikes have GPS, they'll find it, just not him on it. Could have also used a load and go Visa card and paid cash at some store. I bet the phone they found was a burner as well. Most likely ditched the gun in a body of water.

I found it ironic he went to NY Sinai, a hospital group he ditched last year out of UHC.

Motives? Too many right now. Could be a disgruntled relative of a patient, disgruntled employee, disgruntled contractor or perhaps his life wasn't so squeaky clean. Police are going to have to look at everything.

sop

(11,587 posts)
33. They never caught the individual who planted pipe bombs in DC the night before January 6.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 05:57 PM
Dec 4

CBS - "The individual who investigators say left two pipe bombs outside the headquarters of the Democratic and Republican parties in Washington, D.C., the night before the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol attack is still on the loose, and the FBI is offering a $500,000 reward for information that leads to the arrest of the person responsible."

hunter

(39,059 posts)
41. They won't catch him, he's a time traveler. I recognize the kit.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 09:33 AM
Dec 5

The universe where Thompson takes over the entire U.S. healthcare system, commonly known as "TrumpCare" and it's Soylent Green style euthenasia centers, has been denied.

nitpicked

(866 posts)
34. I thought it might have been a disgruntled shareholder
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 06:07 PM
Dec 4

But when I checked, the stock was up for the year.

BlueTsunami2018

(4,071 posts)
39. It's merely a possibility.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 06:50 PM
Dec 4

It could be his wife, an angry husband, a jilted lover, some random whack job, a bookie he stiffed, someone he bullied in high school, someone who wants his job……

The possibilities are endless.

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