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Biden aides debating preemptive pardons for Fauci, Schiff and Cheney, others (Original Post) HereForTheParty Dec 4 OP
K&R bdamomma Dec 4 #1
This should not even be a debate. Those folks will be hunted Arazi Dec 4 #2
Absolutely. And don't stop with Fauci, Schiff and Cheney. Bluetus Dec 4 #27
please set up a website for anyone that thinks they MAY need one lapfog_1 Dec 4 #3
This gives the magas cover points Dec 4 #5
Traitor has called 2020 Dem election workers "enemies of the state" Arazi Dec 4 #6
Not just them, pat-in-el's list for his sick fascist plan: Justice matters. Dec 4 #7
Yup... I truly hate that this precedent will be set Arazi Dec 4 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 4 #22
Yes, Yes, Yes. Pardon the Republicans Trump is targeting too. Bluetus Dec 4 #30
this is not a blanket pardon lapfog_1 Dec 4 #8
They will do it anyway creeksneakers2 Dec 4 #18
even violent domestic terrorists will be pardoned rampartd Dec 4 #31
No skin off your back, Joe. Just fucking do it dalton99a Dec 4 #4
Did you see how much shit he took this week? newdeal2 Dec 4 #15
They must protect Dr Fauci onecaliberal Dec 4 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 4 #24
Don't debate ffs orangecrush Dec 4 #11
Every Employee of the Federal Government MissouriDem47 Dec 4 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 4 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 4 #28
Do it! Do many - now! Earthrise Dec 4 #13
This is disgraceful that this has to even be discussed. Dr. Fauci dedicated his life to public service tulipsandroses Dec 4 #14
YES YES YES creeksneakers2 Dec 4 #16
I'm glad this is being discussed. ShazzieB Dec 4 #17
Stop debating and take action dlk Dec 4 #19
Please write the White House creeksneakers2 Dec 4 #20
If he doesn't do it Demobrat Dec 4 #21
But isn't accepting a pardon an admission... Shipwack Dec 4 #23
It infers guilt... not good. WarGamer Dec 4 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 4 #33
Ya think? kerouac2 Dec 4 #29
Well, they better get going on that if that is their plan, as there isn't much time left tornado34jh Dec 4 #32
I really hope Dr.Fauci is safe jfz9580m Dec 5 #34
Good for starters UTUSN Dec 5 #35
Stop cowering. Defeat the Trumpers face to face. Be as brave as the South Koreans. tirebiter Dec 5 #36

Arazi

(7,078 posts)
2. This should not even be a debate. Those folks will be hunted
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 08:39 PM
Dec 4

And legally harassed for the rest of their lives.

Traitor and his minions have promised that and I believe them

Bluetus

(299 posts)
27. Absolutely. And don't stop with Fauci, Schiff and Cheney.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:21 PM
Dec 4

Do a pardon for everybody Trump, Patel or any of the other fascists have ever mentioned for retribution. If that is 1000 pardons, so much the better. That will illustrate what a threat these fascists are.

lapfog_1

(30,233 posts)
3. please set up a website for anyone that thinks they MAY need one
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 08:40 PM
Dec 4

we should all register.

I think a blanket pardon for any social media posts, protest, speech, etc.

If you think they won't come for us... don't register.

Paranoid, maybe, but I am a student of history. Everyone that works for MSNBC and CNN and Free speech TV and dozens of podcasters... they ALL need presidential pardons.

Lots of people that work in various agencies and departments... and even State workers and elected officials.

All of our Senators and Congresspersons and former government officials

points

(32 posts)
5. This gives the magas cover
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 08:48 PM
Dec 4

They want blanket pardons and they have and intend to do more actual crimes.
I totally get the impulse to protect, and maybe this is the way. The first time I heard the idea I thought it was a good one. But now I'm concerned all maga actual traitors and criminals will just get their own preemptive pardons also

Arazi

(7,078 posts)
6. Traitor has called 2020 Dem election workers "enemies of the state"
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 08:52 PM
Dec 4

That should be prosecuted because they “stole the election”.

Cover them or let them hang? (Full disclosure, I’m one of them)

Justice matters.

(7,592 posts)
7. Not just them, pat-in-el's list for his sick fascist plan:
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 08:57 PM
Dec 4


Not even sure their potential Pardon will even matter to the convicted felon's fascists.

Arazi

(7,078 posts)
9. Yup... I truly hate that this precedent will be set
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 09:02 PM
Dec 4

But I don’t see any other possible way to protect folks who were just doing their jobs like Fauci.

Traitor is a malignant narcissist whose entire life revolves around grievance and revenge. His cruelty feeds his black soul.

Nobody will escape his vengeance if it can be done. Minions like Kash Patel would an eager and vicious thug dispensing the pain forever…

Response to Arazi (Reply #9)

Bluetus

(299 posts)
30. Yes, Yes, Yes. Pardon the Republicans Trump is targeting too.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:23 PM
Dec 4

This is not a red vs blue thing. This is democracy versus the new Nazi movement.

lapfog_1

(30,233 posts)
8. this is not a blanket pardon
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 08:59 PM
Dec 4

It is a pardon covering speech and other writings and utterances, whether given freely on a website or podcast or in public or private. Not actions that are subject to criminal charges.

I am not afraid of being found guilty if I was criminally charged or even investigated for what I post here. However that isn't the point... the point is that I would have to pay a criminal defense lawyer to mount the defense ( either criminal or civil ). I don't happen to have $50K laying around to spend on this. These people hate us... and they will have the resources of the federal government to use to sue us into bankruptcy. And if you think they won't do it with Kash Patel at the FBI...

newdeal2

(1,135 posts)
15. Did you see how much shit he took this week?
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:04 PM
Dec 4

Not saying he shouldn’t or won’t do it, but it’s still something he has to live with.

Response to onecaliberal (Reply #10)

MissouriDem47

(53 posts)
12. Every Employee of the Federal Government
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 09:41 PM
Dec 4

should get a sweeping pardon not matter who they are or where they worked

Response to MissouriDem47 (Reply #12)

Response to MissouriDem47 (Reply #12)

tulipsandroses

(6,241 posts)
14. This is disgraceful that this has to even be discussed. Dr. Fauci dedicated his life to public service
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 09:58 PM
Dec 4

I have so much disgust for anyone that voted for the convicted felon. Fuck you and your price of eggs and any other selfish hateful reason you decided to trade democracy for.

creeksneakers2

(7,611 posts)
16. YES YES YES
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:05 PM
Dec 4

I've been pushing this idea on Facebook and Kos and here and planned push it everywhere I could . Biden could thwart Trump's entire Fascist retribution plot. DO IT!!!!!!

ShazzieB

(18,925 posts)
17. I'm glad this is being discussed.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:22 PM
Dec 4

I'm skeptical about them coming after every rando who's ever posted something critical of TSF on a message board (like yours truly), just because of the sheer volume. Somebody would have to go through millions of posts to find all of us "culprits," and identifying every person who posts under an anonymous screen name at places like DU would be another gargantuan chore. I guess it would be doable, in theory, but why bother?

So I'm not seriously worried for myself, but there are people like the ones mentioned in that X post who will be in serious danger, and I am all for protecting them.

creeksneakers2

(7,611 posts)
20. Please write the White House
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:35 PM
Dec 4

and urge them to Thwart Trump's Fascist retribution plot. Blanket pardons for all threatened except those with credible accusations against them.


https://www.whitehouse.gov/get-involved/write-or-call/

Demobrat

(9,950 posts)
21. If he doesn't do it
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:48 PM
Dec 4

Trump will come after those people twice as hard just to make him wish he had.

Response to WarGamer (Reply #25)

kerouac2

(744 posts)
29. Ya think?
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:22 PM
Dec 4

Finally, let's use some ammo before we have none.

I swear, it's like trumpers lack the ability to recognize that they are voting against their own self interests... And dem leaders lack the ability to recognize when they actually yield the power to protect everyones interests.

I mean, really. How did we not put trump behind bars. Hell, how did we not get guys like Jordan and Goetz TF outta here.

Smh.

tornado34jh

(1,311 posts)
32. Well, they better get going on that if that is their plan, as there isn't much time left
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:30 PM
Dec 4

We're already in December, so there are only approximately 6 1/2 weeks left before inauguration.

jfz9580m

(15,584 posts)
34. I really hope Dr.Fauci is safe
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 12:09 AM
Dec 5

I don’t know about anyone else, but as a member of the scientific community (albeit a piddling and crummy one) I would consider it outrageous if Dr Fauci was targeted. He was just doing a difficult job. Science and public health are hard. An unprecedented pandemic..I mean come on..

https://www.politifact.com/article/2022/feb/24/fauci-lied-how-broad-misunderstanding-about-scienc/

At the heart of these claims is widespread misunderstanding about how the scientific method works.

It is a perspective informed in part by frustration. Changing guidelines impact people’s daily lives. But the claims ignore the realities and challenges presented by a global pandemic caused by an emerging virus, researchers and science experts told us.

Scientists and doctors are worn down by the narrative.

"These kinds of charges are frustrating," said Sarah Richardson, a science historian at Harvard University. "They reflect a misunderstanding of how science works, how public health policy is created, and how empirical science and public health policy relate to one another."

Scientific findings are often confusing and conflicting. But evolving research and changing guidelines aren’t unprecedented or shocking, nor are they indicative of something nefarious.

"I can hardly blame people for feeling confused, but the problem is how this has been used politically," said Dr. Lynn Goldman, dean of the Milken Institute School of Public Health at George Washington University. "I think there has been a deliberate effort to take advantage of that kind of confusion by accusing people of purposely misleading the public and there is no way that that has been happening — it’s not reality."


Science is hard, frustrating and takes a long time.

tirebiter

(2,595 posts)
36. Stop cowering. Defeat the Trumpers face to face. Be as brave as the South Koreans.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 02:15 AM
Dec 5

The smell of fear makes the sharks go crazy.

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