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EarnestPutz

(2,843 posts)
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 09:35 PM Dec 2024

I think it's telling that the health insurance company CEO that was murdered, was on his way....

Last edited Fri Dec 6, 2024, 05:40 PM - Edit history (1)

.....to address a bunch of investors, no doubt to talk about his company’s profits and prospects for the future. He wasn’t talking to doctors, hospitals, or patients, let alone drug companies or other insurance professionals, but to those who care only about profits.

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I think it's telling that the health insurance company CEO that was murdered, was on his way.... (Original Post) EarnestPutz Dec 2024 OP
The pool of suspects must be huge. How many people have died every year from denial of care to pay this guy's diane in sf Dec 2024 #1
I could have easily been on that suspect list. ItsjustMe Dec 2024 #2
me too gopiscrap Dec 2024 #36
They insure 100 million, refusal rate at 32% ... literally millions of suspects NotHardly Dec 2024 #40
His life wasn't Medically Necessary NameAlreadyTaken Dec 2024 #3
No shit! FoxNewsSucks Dec 2024 #12
The death panel caught up with him. Klarkashton Dec 2024 #4
That panel needs to catch up to a lot more than just that asshole FoxNewsSucks Dec 2024 #13
Is lead poisoning a pre-existing condition? Comfortably_Numb Dec 2024 #5
Good one Evolve Dammit Dec 2024 #49
i watch a lot of true crime. barbtries Dec 2024 #6
Rumor is he might have been considering being a whistleblower IbogaProject Dec 2024 #9
Not really. he left lots of clues & pictures. Its only a matter of time. Callie1979 Dec 2024 #52
Please don't make assumptions Wisky64 Dec 2024 #7
I'm Santana JoseBalow Dec 2024 #10
R, a. Duppers Dec 2024 #11
Y, m. JoseBalow Dec 2024 #16
Dang me. Duppers Dec 2024 #42
What's important is that you're here now JoseBalow Dec 2024 #44
Why did she think that? FoxNewsSucks Dec 2024 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author jfz9580m Dec 2024 #17
I have no trouble believing that, and yet it does not change anything TBF Dec 2024 #20
First off, MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2024 #22
I just do not believe how quickly some of here resort to grave dancing. My wife has this insurance company ... marble falls Dec 2024 #23
When a serial sexual abuser is first accused, many people defend him by saying "He never did that to me." ZonkerHarris Dec 2024 #37
Good thing we aren't discussing sex criminals then, isn't it. We're talking about someone NO_ONE has ... marble falls Dec 2024 #39
spoken like someone who has never lost a loved one due to an insurance decision. ZonkerHarris Dec 2024 #61
Not sure I've ever heard anyone defend a sexual predator in that manner. Callie1979 Dec 2024 #53
look around. It's everywhere. ZonkerHarris Dec 2024 #60
I have a friend who is also an analyst at United Healthcare ComtesseDeSpair Dec 2024 #24
My brother worked for one of the most evil HMO JT45242 Dec 2024 #34
Huh. malaise Dec 2024 #30
They deny 32 percent of initial claims. BannonsLiver Dec 2024 #31
He might have been nicest guy in world, but he still presided over a company/culture of profit over patients. Rabrrrrrr Dec 2024 #32
parasites often evolve toward commensalism mike_c Dec 2024 #33
What motivated you to join DU yesterday? 33taw Dec 2024 #35
"more integrity than you might expect to find in a CEO of a multibillion doallar conglomerate wcollar Dec 2024 #38
Oh my side Clouds Passing Dec 2024 #46
But don't you see? markpkessinger Dec 2024 #56
When that company talks to doctors, hospitals, or patients, IronLionZion Dec 2024 #8
Wheres Martin, Selena and Steve brettdale Dec 2024 #15
What is it telling? Renew Deal Dec 2024 #18
See response #51 below. EarnestPutz Dec 2024 #63
United Healthcare is probably the greediest medical insurer. Bluepinky Dec 2024 #19
So that justifies his assassination? nt MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2024 #21
Of course not. Don't be silly. EarnestPutz Dec 2024 #50
Oh BS!!! MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2024 #59
I wrote the original post. Nothing in my post would indicate that I think his killing was justified. Indeed..... EarnestPutz Dec 2024 #62
More important to go to a gathering of Predatory Capitalists. Emile Dec 2024 #25
If he wants support and empathy he should have paid for the premium gold plan. Irish_Dem Dec 2024 #26
That's right. He would be in network then! Emile Dec 2024 #27
Yep. People who care are all out of network for this guy. Irish_Dem Dec 2024 #28
What is telling sarisataka Dec 2024 #29
Illustrative of the companies priorities. Keeping the stockholders happy. Quoting many CEOs since the...... EarnestPutz Dec 2024 #51
I don't believe this was a grievance attack Metaphorical Dec 2024 #41
Agree Strelnikov_ Dec 2024 #45
When he's caught; and he will be, he wont be a professional. Callie1979 Dec 2024 #54
Actually, it was way too early in the morning for a meeting to start, and the CEO's security team was not present. colorado_ufo Dec 2024 #43
Anything is possible, I know, but I don't see this guy in a "gopher" role, being sent by someone. Maybe, though ???? EarnestPutz Dec 2024 #58
Years ago, Codifer Dec 2024 #47
If that's true, it SHOULD be real news. But I am relatively sure it will NEVER come up. Good observation in any case! Evolve Dammit Dec 2024 #48
I wonder about his security. A Company that denies 32% of claims (attribution from earlier post on this thread). OAITW r.2.0 Dec 2024 #55
It would be nice if all gun violence generated the same "all hands on deck" response as the loss of a business exec? waterwatcher123 Dec 2024 #57

diane in sf

(4,208 posts)
1. The pool of suspects must be huge. How many people have died every year from denial of care to pay this guy's
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:06 PM
Dec 2024

bloated salary and make those shareholders happy?

barbtries

(31,095 posts)
6. i watch a lot of true crime.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:36 PM
Dec 2024

how was his marriage?

how many people would have known that he was going to be there at that time?

I'm not saying that it could not have been someone who was denied care, lost a loved one due to denial of care, or whatever. I'm saying there are other possible scenarios. For a rich guy like this, most of the time, it's the spouse.

Not sure we'll ever know though. The shooter was pretty slick.

IbogaProject

(5,564 posts)
9. Rumor is he might have been considering being a whistleblower
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:58 PM
Dec 2024

If they've been bilking Medicare since before his time as CEO, maybe he was angling for a fraction of any recovery. Speculative but this was a skilled shoter who effortlessly cleared a jam and get off more shots that points to a hit. I mentioned early that I feel bad for the detectives who have to chase every angle. These include the board and large investors, any denied claims (thousands or more), personal issues like infidelity or drugs.

Callie1979

(1,084 posts)
52. Not really. he left lots of clues & pictures. Its only a matter of time.
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 05:51 PM
Dec 2024

This wasnt a professional.

Wisky64

(8 posts)
7. Please don't make assumptions
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:52 PM
Dec 2024

My daughter works as a data analyst at United Healthcare in Minneapolis. For what it’s worth, she viewed Mr Thompson as a really good guy and a skilled businessman but also one with a heart and with more integrity than you might expect to find in a CEO of a multi billion dollar conglomerate.

FoxNewsSucks

(11,480 posts)
14. Why did she think that?
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 12:14 AM
Dec 2024

What actions did he take that would make anyone think he's motivated by patient care and not profit/money in his own pocket???

Response to Wisky64 (Reply #7)

TBF

(35,447 posts)
20. I have no trouble believing that, and yet it does not change anything
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 09:55 AM
Dec 2024

When you have a system like capitalism in which the goal is to always strive for the top (while being rewarded by stepping on others to get there), there is going to be a lot of collateral damage so to speak. Most of the time that damage is on the lower end of the scale (the poor) - this time people are freakout out because one of the leaders was taken out.

Maybe he was doing his best within a very flawed system, I can believe that. It doesn't change how many people died indirectly as a result of his policies etc. People were passing around other names of health care executives on social media yesterday. So, public at large is pretty angry about how they are being treated - at least by this particular industry.

Eventually they will figure out it's the system that is the real problem as opposed to individual actors.

MarineCombatEngineer

(17,552 posts)
22. First off,
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 09:58 AM
Dec 2024

welcome to DU and secondly, I find the grave dancing and celebration of this man's assassination by some here very disturbing, I really thought that we were better than this, but it appears, at least among some here, that I'm wrong.

marble falls

(70,446 posts)
23. I just do not believe how quickly some of here resort to grave dancing. My wife has this insurance company ...
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 10:17 AM
Dec 2024

... as part of her retirement benefits and it is the best private insurance I've ever seen. If I couldn't be on VA, I'd want her coverage.

The grave dancing thing is something that's gotten worse since 2016.

 

ZonkerHarris

(25,577 posts)
37. When a serial sexual abuser is first accused, many people defend him by saying "He never did that to me."
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 02:22 PM
Dec 2024

like that means anything to the victims.

marble falls

(70,446 posts)
39. Good thing we aren't discussing sex criminals then, isn't it. We're talking about someone NO_ONE has ...
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 02:48 PM
Dec 2024

... accused of breaking any laws whatsofucking ever.

He should have been given a chance to defend himself of any crime or at the very least accused of one before the execution don't you think?

No offense but your comment hasn't a thing to do with the victim or the real crime committed against him, you know murder.

If the murderer felt so vindicated in his actions, why didn't he drop the pistol and wait for the cops?

 

ZonkerHarris

(25,577 posts)
61. spoken like someone who has never lost a loved one due to an insurance decision.
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 11:45 AM
Dec 2024

good for you.
Do you defend Robber Barons also?
Tell me about how the Gilded Age was good for poor people too.
I love a rant lecture.

ComtesseDeSpair

(553 posts)
24. I have a friend who is also an analyst at United Healthcare
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 10:57 AM
Dec 2024

She also cried and said that he was a really good guy. It's funny how immune even the employees have become to the atrocities committed in the name of capitalism.

JT45242

(3,813 posts)
34. My brother worked for one of the most evil HMO
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 01:33 PM
Dec 2024

Sixty minutes did an expose on how they denied, and delayed, until people went away.

He said we are not like that. I have one of our plans and nothing has ever been denied.
Of course it was labeled the employee only plan so they knew they needed to be nice or someone might whistle blow.

When you work for a company it is easy to put blinders on and ignore the evil ways that they make profits.

BannonsLiver

(20,200 posts)
31. They deny 32 percent of initial claims.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 11:27 AM
Dec 2024

Highest in the industry by some margin. There is no need to make assumptions.

Rabrrrrrr

(58,373 posts)
32. He might have been nicest guy in world, but he still presided over a company/culture of profit over patients.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 11:48 AM
Dec 2024

Unless and until the CEOs who are "nice guys" start turning the culture of their companies into "nice guys", their nice guy-ness is just bullshit. I don't care if they're super awesome loving dads at home - if the culture they create is toxic, life-denying, or profits over people, then they aren't really nice guys. Being nice to your family and friends doesn't mean shit if it ain't translating into kindness toward others.

wcollar

(212 posts)
38. "more integrity than you might expect to find in a CEO of a multibillion doallar conglomerate
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 02:43 PM
Dec 2024

The phrase 'Low bar' comes to mind.

Clouds Passing

(6,835 posts)
46. Oh my side
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 05:19 PM
Dec 2024


Unless you’re the one he’s denied healthcare to then it becomes very tragic very quickly.

markpkessinger

(8,875 posts)
56. But don't you see?
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 06:02 PM
Dec 2024

I have no doubt Mr. Thompson was a perfectly likeable fellow on a one-to-one basis, and he may even have been extremely kind to his employees. But the policy decisions he oversaw as CEO -- particularly the policy of denying most claims initially by algorithm, and having a medical professional review them only when those denials were challenged or appealed, was a policy that was messing with the very real medical needs, and indeed the very lives, of people, most of whom had no choice to opt for anything else. I have no doubt, either, that it wasn't anything personal in his eyes, but just a "business decision." No matter how lovely he might have been as an individual, and how ever generous he may have been with his employees, that doesn't change the fact that this man harmed thousands of people.

And frankly, I think people who make excuses for him are just as much part of the problem!

IronLionZion

(50,728 posts)
8. When that company talks to doctors, hospitals, or patients,
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:56 PM
Dec 2024

it's often to deny claims. They profit from not paying for care.

NY is the financial center for the US. That's where the stock analysts and investment firms are. They make tons of money without adding much value to society.

Bluepinky

(2,510 posts)
19. United Healthcare is probably the greediest medical insurer.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 02:16 AM
Dec 2024

They refused to insure my elderly mother when she moved to a different state and needed insurance to supplement her Medicare. I’m sure it was because my mother had too many healthcare needs, they wouldn’t be able to profit off her. United Healthcare only insures healthy people on Medicare; they take their government Medicare funds and spend as little as possible on actual health care.

MarineCombatEngineer

(17,552 posts)
59. Oh BS!!!
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 08:02 AM
Dec 2024

To some here on DU, and I won't name names because it's against the ToS, but there are some here who are attempting to justify or just outright reveling in this mans assassination, which to me, is putrid.
That's my opinion, if you don't like it or agree with it, well, I don't really care.

 

EarnestPutz

(2,843 posts)
62. I wrote the original post. Nothing in my post would indicate that I think his killing was justified. Indeed.....
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 02:03 PM
Dec 2024

......I emphatically do NOT think it was justified. Your response, in the hierarchy of responses, is directed to me. This is where your silliness comes in, by apparently confusing my original post with statements made by others in response. These are the facts, which may or may not affect your "opinion". That depends on you.

sarisataka

(22,203 posts)
29. What is telling
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 11:15 AM
Dec 2024

about a CEO performing one of his job duties? Would it have made any difference if he was on the way to speak to doctors, etc...?

 

EarnestPutz

(2,843 posts)
51. Illustrative of the companies priorities. Keeping the stockholders happy. Quoting many CEOs since the......
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 05:50 PM
Dec 2024

......Reagan years, "My first obligation is to the stockholders."

Metaphorical

(2,584 posts)
41. I don't believe this was a grievance attack
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 02:55 PM
Dec 2024

Gunman clearly knew what he was doing, had put a lot of thought into how to both get close enough to guarantee a hit with no collateral damage and to get away as effectively as possible. The location and timing were almost certainly not accidental. This was a message, professionally delivered.

Callie1979

(1,084 posts)
54. When he's caught; and he will be, he wont be a professional.
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 05:56 PM
Dec 2024

WAY too many mistakes for a professional.

colorado_ufo

(6,197 posts)
43. Actually, it was way too early in the morning for a meeting to start, and the CEO's security team was not present.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 03:38 PM
Dec 2024

His assassin was in place and waiting. CEO's hotel was just across the street. I am suspicious that someone deliberately sent him on a quick errand of some kind - e.g., "check to be sure that everything is in place for the meeting," "check to be sure that the keynote speaker has registered at the hotel," etc. - setting him up for the hit.

Just a thought.

Did anyone see the film, "Gucci?"

 

EarnestPutz

(2,843 posts)
58. Anything is possible, I know, but I don't see this guy in a "gopher" role, being sent by someone. Maybe, though ????
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 06:55 PM
Dec 2024

Codifer

(1,141 posts)
47. Years ago,
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 05:27 PM
Dec 2024

I saw a Sixty Minutes episode which featured the story about a small town bully. It has been some time but I think the town was in Missouri. The bully seems to have been suffering from testosterone poisoning and was a violent, sadistic and dangerous jerk-off to the men and women of the little town,

One Saturday the town was packed with folks from the surrounding rural area. It would seem that most had come to town well armed. The bully and his wife left the tavern and as they started to get in the car (pick up) they experienced a Bonnie and Clyde moment as the towns folk opened up from several directions. Needless to say that the bully failed to survive (although I believe his battered wife was not hurt and the pick up was trashed).

State police investigated but no one wanted to talk about it. Forensics was a nightmare because the autopsy showed multiple shots from different directions and many different calibers and bullet types. I do not think the murder (execution) was ever solved (actually good idea who done it but how to prove) and no one was particularly upset about the gentleman's demise.

Please note that I am just reporting this.... I am not (necessarily) an advocate of mob law. I look at root canal dentistry the same way. I am fearful the there may be more mob law actions in store for us.

It will be very foggy out.

Dang, I just realized that the above was the plot of "Murder On the Orient Express".

Evolve Dammit

(21,419 posts)
48. If that's true, it SHOULD be real news. But I am relatively sure it will NEVER come up. Good observation in any case!
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 06:19 PM
Dec 2024

OAITW r.2.0

(31,337 posts)
55. I wonder about his security. A Company that denies 32% of claims (attribution from earlier post on this thread).
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 05:57 PM
Dec 2024

The Company (and thus the public face of the company) must have been in constant threat mode. I assume there was plenty of money available for SS-level protection.

So how does this hit go down without it being a suicide mission for the perp?

waterwatcher123

(446 posts)
57. It would be nice if all gun violence generated the same "all hands on deck" response as the loss of a business exec?
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 06:38 PM
Dec 2024
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