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EarnestPutz

(2,683 posts)
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 09:35 PM Dec 4

I think it's telling that the health insurance company CEO that was murdered, was on his way....

Last edited Fri Dec 6, 2024, 05:40 PM - Edit history (1)

.....to address a bunch of investors, no doubt to talk about his company’s profits and prospects for the future. He wasn’t talking to doctors, hospitals, or patients, let alone drug companies or other insurance professionals, but to those who care only about profits.

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I think it's telling that the health insurance company CEO that was murdered, was on his way.... (Original Post) EarnestPutz Dec 4 OP
The pool of suspects must be huge. How many people have died every year from denial of care to pay this guy's diane in sf Dec 4 #1
I could have easily been on that suspect list. ItsjustMe Dec 4 #2
me too gopiscrap Dec 5 #36
They insure 100 million, refusal rate at 32% ... literally millions of suspects NotHardly Dec 5 #40
His life wasn't Medically Necessary NameAlreadyTaken Dec 4 #3
No shit! FoxNewsSucks Dec 5 #12
The death panel caught up with him. Klarkashton Dec 4 #4
That panel needs to catch up to a lot more than just that asshole FoxNewsSucks Dec 5 #13
Is lead poisoning a pre-existing condition? Comfortably_Numb Dec 4 #5
Good one Evolve Dammit Dec 5 #49
i watch a lot of true crime. barbtries Dec 4 #6
Rumor is he might have been considering being a whistleblower IbogaProject Dec 4 #9
Not really. he left lots of clues & pictures. Its only a matter of time. Callie1979 Dec 6 #52
Please don't make assumptions Wisky64 Dec 4 #7
I'm Santana JoseBalow Dec 4 #10
R, a. Duppers Dec 5 #11
Y, m. JoseBalow Dec 5 #16
Dang me. Duppers Dec 5 #42
What's important is that you're here now JoseBalow Dec 5 #44
Why did she think that? FoxNewsSucks Dec 5 #14
If that is true it is tragic jfz9580m Dec 5 #17
I have no trouble believing that, and yet it does not change anything TBF Dec 5 #20
First off, MarineCombatEngineer Dec 5 #22
I just do not believe how quickly some of here resort to grave dancing. My wife has this insurance company ... marble falls Dec 5 #23
When a serial sexual abuser is first accused, many people defend him by saying "He never did that to me." ZonkerHarris Dec 5 #37
Good thing we aren't discussing sex criminals then, isn't it. We're talking about someone NO_ONE has ... marble falls Dec 5 #39
spoken like someone who has never lost a loved one due to an insurance decision. ZonkerHarris Dec 7 #61
Not sure I've ever heard anyone defend a sexual predator in that manner. Callie1979 Dec 6 #53
look around. It's everywhere. ZonkerHarris Dec 7 #60
I have a friend who is also an analyst at United Healthcare ComtesseDeSpair Dec 5 #24
My brother worked for one of the most evil HMO JT45242 Dec 5 #34
Huh. malaise Dec 5 #30
They deny 32 percent of initial claims. BannonsLiver Dec 5 #31
He might have been nicest guy in world, but he still presided over a company/culture of profit over patients. Rabrrrrrr Dec 5 #32
parasites often evolve toward commensalism mike_c Dec 5 #33
What motivated you to join DU yesterday? 33taw Dec 5 #35
"more integrity than you might expect to find in a CEO of a multibillion doallar conglomerate wcollar Dec 5 #38
Oh my side Clouds Passing Dec 5 #46
But don't you see? markpkessinger Dec 6 #56
When that company talks to doctors, hospitals, or patients, IronLionZion Dec 4 #8
Wheres Martin, Selena and Steve brettdale Dec 5 #15
What is it telling? Renew Deal Dec 5 #18
See response #51 below. EarnestPutz Dec 8 #63
United Healthcare is probably the greediest medical insurer. Bluepinky Dec 5 #19
So that justifies his assassination? nt MarineCombatEngineer Dec 5 #21
Of course not. Don't be silly. EarnestPutz Dec 6 #50
Oh BS!!! MarineCombatEngineer Dec 7 #59
I wrote the original post. Nothing in my post would indicate that I think his killing was justified. Indeed..... EarnestPutz Dec 7 #62
More important to go to a gathering of Predatory Capitalists. Emile Dec 5 #25
If he wants support and empathy he should have paid for the premium gold plan. Irish_Dem Dec 5 #26
That's right. He would be in network then! Emile Dec 5 #27
Yep. People who care are all out of network for this guy. Irish_Dem Dec 5 #28
What is telling sarisataka Dec 5 #29
Illustrative of the companies priorities. Keeping the stockholders happy. Quoting many CEOs since the...... EarnestPutz Dec 6 #51
I don't believe this was a grievance attack Metaphorical Dec 5 #41
Agree Strelnikov_ Dec 5 #45
When he's caught; and he will be, he wont be a professional. Callie1979 Dec 6 #54
Actually, it was way too early in the morning for a meeting to start, and the CEO's security team was not present. colorado_ufo Dec 5 #43
Anything is possible, I know, but I don't see this guy in a "gopher" role, being sent by someone. Maybe, though ???? EarnestPutz Dec 6 #58
Years ago, Codifer Dec 5 #47
If that's true, it SHOULD be real news. But I am relatively sure it will NEVER come up. Good observation in any case! Evolve Dammit Dec 5 #48
I wonder about his security. A Company that denies 32% of claims (attribution from earlier post on this thread). OAITW r.2.0 Dec 6 #55
It would be nice if all gun violence generated the same "all hands on deck" response as the loss of a business exec? waterwatcher123 Dec 6 #57

diane in sf

(4,102 posts)
1. The pool of suspects must be huge. How many people have died every year from denial of care to pay this guy's
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 10:06 PM
Dec 4

bloated salary and make those shareholders happy?

barbtries

(29,955 posts)
6. i watch a lot of true crime.
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:36 PM
Dec 4

how was his marriage?

how many people would have known that he was going to be there at that time?

I'm not saying that it could not have been someone who was denied care, lost a loved one due to denial of care, or whatever. I'm saying there are other possible scenarios. For a rich guy like this, most of the time, it's the spouse.

Not sure we'll ever know though. The shooter was pretty slick.

IbogaProject

(3,782 posts)
9. Rumor is he might have been considering being a whistleblower
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:58 PM
Dec 4

If they've been bilking Medicare since before his time as CEO, maybe he was angling for a fraction of any recovery. Speculative but this was a skilled shoter who effortlessly cleared a jam and get off more shots that points to a hit. I mentioned early that I feel bad for the detectives who have to chase every angle. These include the board and large investors, any denied claims (thousands or more), personal issues like infidelity or drugs.

Callie1979

(282 posts)
52. Not really. he left lots of clues & pictures. Its only a matter of time.
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 05:51 PM
Dec 6

This wasnt a professional.

Wisky64

(1 post)
7. Please don't make assumptions
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:52 PM
Dec 4

My daughter works as a data analyst at United Healthcare in Minneapolis. For what it’s worth, she viewed Mr Thompson as a really good guy and a skilled businessman but also one with a heart and with more integrity than you might expect to find in a CEO of a multi billion dollar conglomerate.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,840 posts)
14. Why did she think that?
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 12:14 AM
Dec 5

What actions did he take that would make anyone think he's motivated by patient care and not profit/money in his own pocket???

jfz9580m

(15,584 posts)
17. If that is true it is tragic
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 12:46 AM
Dec 5

Sometimes good people do end up working for corporations that are evil and yes making money doing it.

He was not a well known person so I can believe that in spite of where he worked (which is what people are angry at and he is becoming the symbol of that) he was a decent human being.

I understand the frustration of the posters angry about UHC. I am more inclined that way myself, but reality is complex and nuanced.

UHC is a faceless and clearly horrible corporation. The people who work there are people. Hate tears societies apart.

I try a cognitive cheat where I channel the hate one cannot sometimes help but feel solely at the faceless, nonhuman machine and the policies driving it and not people. I don’t always succeed but it is worth trying.

Horrible times we live in..

TBF

(34,754 posts)
20. I have no trouble believing that, and yet it does not change anything
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 09:55 AM
Dec 5

When you have a system like capitalism in which the goal is to always strive for the top (while being rewarded by stepping on others to get there), there is going to be a lot of collateral damage so to speak. Most of the time that damage is on the lower end of the scale (the poor) - this time people are freakout out because one of the leaders was taken out.

Maybe he was doing his best within a very flawed system, I can believe that. It doesn't change how many people died indirectly as a result of his policies etc. People were passing around other names of health care executives on social media yesterday. So, public at large is pretty angry about how they are being treated - at least by this particular industry.

Eventually they will figure out it's the system that is the real problem as opposed to individual actors.

MarineCombatEngineer

(14,466 posts)
22. First off,
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 09:58 AM
Dec 5

welcome to DU and secondly, I find the grave dancing and celebration of this man's assassination by some here very disturbing, I really thought that we were better than this, but it appears, at least among some here, that I'm wrong.

marble falls

(62,523 posts)
23. I just do not believe how quickly some of here resort to grave dancing. My wife has this insurance company ...
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 10:17 AM
Dec 5

... as part of her retirement benefits and it is the best private insurance I've ever seen. If I couldn't be on VA, I'd want her coverage.

The grave dancing thing is something that's gotten worse since 2016.

ZonkerHarris

(25,426 posts)
37. When a serial sexual abuser is first accused, many people defend him by saying "He never did that to me."
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 02:22 PM
Dec 5

like that means anything to the victims.

marble falls

(62,523 posts)
39. Good thing we aren't discussing sex criminals then, isn't it. We're talking about someone NO_ONE has ...
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 02:48 PM
Dec 5

... accused of breaking any laws whatsofucking ever.

He should have been given a chance to defend himself of any crime or at the very least accused of one before the execution don't you think?

No offense but your comment hasn't a thing to do with the victim or the real crime committed against him, you know murder.

If the murderer felt so vindicated in his actions, why didn't he drop the pistol and wait for the cops?

ZonkerHarris

(25,426 posts)
61. spoken like someone who has never lost a loved one due to an insurance decision.
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 11:45 AM
Dec 7

good for you.
Do you defend Robber Barons also?
Tell me about how the Gilded Age was good for poor people too.
I love a rant lecture.

ComtesseDeSpair

(548 posts)
24. I have a friend who is also an analyst at United Healthcare
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 10:57 AM
Dec 5

She also cried and said that he was a really good guy. It's funny how immune even the employees have become to the atrocities committed in the name of capitalism.

JT45242

(2,994 posts)
34. My brother worked for one of the most evil HMO
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 01:33 PM
Dec 5

Sixty minutes did an expose on how they denied, and delayed, until people went away.

He said we are not like that. I have one of our plans and nothing has ever been denied.
Of course it was labeled the employee only plan so they knew they needed to be nice or someone might whistle blow.

When you work for a company it is easy to put blinders on and ignore the evil ways that they make profits.

BannonsLiver

(18,217 posts)
31. They deny 32 percent of initial claims.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 11:27 AM
Dec 5

Highest in the industry by some margin. There is no need to make assumptions.

Rabrrrrrr

(58,371 posts)
32. He might have been nicest guy in world, but he still presided over a company/culture of profit over patients.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 11:48 AM
Dec 5

Unless and until the CEOs who are "nice guys" start turning the culture of their companies into "nice guys", their nice guy-ness is just bullshit. I don't care if they're super awesome loving dads at home - if the culture they create is toxic, life-denying, or profits over people, then they aren't really nice guys. Being nice to your family and friends doesn't mean shit if it ain't translating into kindness toward others.

wcollar

(196 posts)
38. "more integrity than you might expect to find in a CEO of a multibillion doallar conglomerate
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 02:43 PM
Dec 5

The phrase 'Low bar' comes to mind.

Clouds Passing

(2,716 posts)
46. Oh my side
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 05:19 PM
Dec 5


Unless you’re the one he’s denied healthcare to then it becomes very tragic very quickly.

markpkessinger

(8,587 posts)
56. But don't you see?
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 06:02 PM
Dec 6

I have no doubt Mr. Thompson was a perfectly likeable fellow on a one-to-one basis, and he may even have been extremely kind to his employees. But the policy decisions he oversaw as CEO -- particularly the policy of denying most claims initially by algorithm, and having a medical professional review them only when those denials were challenged or appealed, was a policy that was messing with the very real medical needs, and indeed the very lives, of people, most of whom had no choice to opt for anything else. I have no doubt, either, that it wasn't anything personal in his eyes, but just a "business decision." No matter how lovely he might have been as an individual, and how ever generous he may have been with his employees, that doesn't change the fact that this man harmed thousands of people.

And frankly, I think people who make excuses for him are just as much part of the problem!

IronLionZion

(47,121 posts)
8. When that company talks to doctors, hospitals, or patients,
Wed Dec 4, 2024, 11:56 PM
Dec 4

it's often to deny claims. They profit from not paying for care.

NY is the financial center for the US. That's where the stock analysts and investment firms are. They make tons of money without adding much value to society.

Bluepinky

(2,338 posts)
19. United Healthcare is probably the greediest medical insurer.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 02:16 AM
Dec 5

They refused to insure my elderly mother when she moved to a different state and needed insurance to supplement her Medicare. I’m sure it was because my mother had too many healthcare needs, they wouldn’t be able to profit off her. United Healthcare only insures healthy people on Medicare; they take their government Medicare funds and spend as little as possible on actual health care.

MarineCombatEngineer

(14,466 posts)
59. Oh BS!!!
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 08:02 AM
Dec 7

To some here on DU, and I won't name names because it's against the ToS, but there are some here who are attempting to justify or just outright reveling in this mans assassination, which to me, is putrid.
That's my opinion, if you don't like it or agree with it, well, I don't really care.

EarnestPutz

(2,683 posts)
62. I wrote the original post. Nothing in my post would indicate that I think his killing was justified. Indeed.....
Sat Dec 7, 2024, 02:03 PM
Dec 7

......I emphatically do NOT think it was justified. Your response, in the hierarchy of responses, is directed to me. This is where your silliness comes in, by apparently confusing my original post with statements made by others in response. These are the facts, which may or may not affect your "opinion". That depends on you.

sarisataka

(21,284 posts)
29. What is telling
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 11:15 AM
Dec 5

about a CEO performing one of his job duties? Would it have made any difference if he was on the way to speak to doctors, etc...?

EarnestPutz

(2,683 posts)
51. Illustrative of the companies priorities. Keeping the stockholders happy. Quoting many CEOs since the......
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 05:50 PM
Dec 6

......Reagan years, "My first obligation is to the stockholders."

Metaphorical

(2,346 posts)
41. I don't believe this was a grievance attack
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 02:55 PM
Dec 5

Gunman clearly knew what he was doing, had put a lot of thought into how to both get close enough to guarantee a hit with no collateral damage and to get away as effectively as possible. The location and timing were almost certainly not accidental. This was a message, professionally delivered.

Callie1979

(282 posts)
54. When he's caught; and he will be, he wont be a professional.
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 05:56 PM
Dec 6

WAY too many mistakes for a professional.

colorado_ufo

(5,937 posts)
43. Actually, it was way too early in the morning for a meeting to start, and the CEO's security team was not present.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 03:38 PM
Dec 5

His assassin was in place and waiting. CEO's hotel was just across the street. I am suspicious that someone deliberately sent him on a quick errand of some kind - e.g., "check to be sure that everything is in place for the meeting," "check to be sure that the keynote speaker has registered at the hotel," etc. - setting him up for the hit.

Just a thought.

Did anyone see the film, "Gucci?"

EarnestPutz

(2,683 posts)
58. Anything is possible, I know, but I don't see this guy in a "gopher" role, being sent by someone. Maybe, though ????
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 06:55 PM
Dec 6

Codifer

(791 posts)
47. Years ago,
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 05:27 PM
Dec 5

I saw a Sixty Minutes episode which featured the story about a small town bully. It has been some time but I think the town was in Missouri. The bully seems to have been suffering from testosterone poisoning and was a violent, sadistic and dangerous jerk-off to the men and women of the little town,

One Saturday the town was packed with folks from the surrounding rural area. It would seem that most had come to town well armed. The bully and his wife left the tavern and as they started to get in the car (pick up) they experienced a Bonnie and Clyde moment as the towns folk opened up from several directions. Needless to say that the bully failed to survive (although I believe his battered wife was not hurt and the pick up was trashed).

State police investigated but no one wanted to talk about it. Forensics was a nightmare because the autopsy showed multiple shots from different directions and many different calibers and bullet types. I do not think the murder (execution) was ever solved (actually good idea who done it but how to prove) and no one was particularly upset about the gentleman's demise.

Please note that I am just reporting this.... I am not (necessarily) an advocate of mob law. I look at root canal dentistry the same way. I am fearful the there may be more mob law actions in store for us.

It will be very foggy out.

Dang, I just realized that the above was the plot of "Murder On the Orient Express".

Evolve Dammit

(19,069 posts)
48. If that's true, it SHOULD be real news. But I am relatively sure it will NEVER come up. Good observation in any case!
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 06:19 PM
Dec 5

OAITW r.2.0

(28,656 posts)
55. I wonder about his security. A Company that denies 32% of claims (attribution from earlier post on this thread).
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 05:57 PM
Dec 6

The Company (and thus the public face of the company) must have been in constant threat mode. I assume there was plenty of money available for SS-level protection.

So how does this hit go down without it being a suicide mission for the perp?

waterwatcher123

(276 posts)
57. It would be nice if all gun violence generated the same "all hands on deck" response as the loss of a business exec?
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 06:38 PM
Dec 6
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