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Cattledog

(6,371 posts)
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 12:49 AM Dec 5

So it was a revenge killing of UHC Executive

The words "deny," "defend" and "depose" were discovered by detectives on the shell casings found at the scene where Brian Thompson, the CEO of major insurance group UnitedHealthcare, was gunned down, police sources told ABC News late Wednesday evening.

Thompson was shot to death at point-blank range in Midtown Manhattan on Wednesday morning before he was set to attend an investor conference, according to police.


https://abcnews.go.com/US/man-shot-chest-midtown-manhattan-masked-gunman-large/story?id=116446382
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So it was a revenge killing of UHC Executive (Original Post) Cattledog Dec 5 OP
I think maybe. Delay, deny, defend is an insurance tactic to avoid paying. Solly Mack Dec 5 #1
They were also deposed, where they denied and defended themselves against the DOJ's acussations of insider trading LeftInTX Dec 5 #4
The dead guy was? The company? I didn't know. Solly Mack Dec 5 #5
The dead guy, but probably also the other CEO and who knows who else. LeftInTX Dec 5 #7
Damn. Solly Mack Dec 5 #8
Wow... the plot thickens! 😱 Tanuki Dec 5 #10
Truth will out malaise Dec 5 #27
This is interesting. This caused major issue in March 2024 because Change went down. LizBeth Dec 5 #80
Maybe shooter lost a parent or other loved one RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Dec 5 #2
How UnitedHealth's Playbook for Limiting Mental Health Coverage Puts Countless Americans' Treatment at Risk (ProPublica) usonian Dec 5 #3
algorithms soandso Dec 5 #9
The FTC is on that. Health care "seems" beyond control and I am sure they pay politicians for the privilege. usonian Dec 5 #11
No Bernardo de La Paz Dec 5 #35
You're right soandso Dec 5 #38
The luddites were opposed to the misuse of technology Voltaire2 Dec 5 #43
This is like a nightmare NJCher Dec 5 #21
A lot of us feel that way. yardwork Dec 5 #59
None of that claudette Dec 5 #6
i do agree, but rampartd Dec 5 #12
Even so claudette Dec 5 #14
Nobody is saying NJCher Dec 5 #22
Like when husbands shoot their wives Kaleva Dec 5 #23
Yes. A domestic abuser killing his victim is exactly the same kind of situation. Crunchy Frog Dec 5 #29
Right? It's so interesting the way some posters obviously think they're slam dunking a point, Scrivener7 Dec 5 #41
Murder is murder Kaleva Dec 5 #49
In that case, why not compare him Crunchy Frog Dec 5 #55
That doesn't refute what I said Kaleva Dec 5 #82
Seems more like when an abuse victim ThreeNoSeep Dec 5 #40
But it wasn't a solution was it? Kaleva Dec 5 #54
Murder is murder so there's absolutely no difference between the two situations. Crunchy Frog Dec 5 #58
It is exactly the other way around. Voltaire2 Dec 5 #44
Nothing justifies murder Keepthesoulalive Dec 5 #13
Still sounds to me claudette Dec 5 #15
He worked for UHC for 20 years. progressoid Dec 5 #18
How about the shareholders? Kaleva Dec 5 #24
I'll repeat. I don't condone it. progressoid Dec 5 #85
I asked about shareholders Kaleva Dec 5 #89
Dear Lord claudette Dec 5 #34
We? progressoid Dec 5 #87
The poster is not rationalizing any action. So maybe you shouldn't imply the poster and Scrivener7 Dec 5 #26
So did he deserve to die? claudette Dec 5 #33
Has anyone said he did? And, because obviously no one here killed him or thought of killing him or Scrivener7 Dec 5 #36
No claudette Dec 5 #46
You seem hell bent on painting DUers as murderous and terrible people because they are using Scrivener7 Dec 5 #48
Not murderous on their own, but supporting murder against the right people. I've seen things here that ... marble falls Dec 5 #53
Operative words: "that have been hidden." Which means they're demonstrably not supported here. Scrivener7 Dec 5 #57
Go back and read this entire OP. It's being danced all around with the argument that he deserved it for ... marble falls Dec 5 #62
Go back and read through the comments. No one is saying we should arbitrarily Scrivener7 Dec 5 #65
"We don't arbitrarily execute people in the streets in this nation." progressoid Dec 5 #86
That is nothing new. yardwork Dec 5 #63
It's completely bizarre. Scrivener7 Dec 5 #66
It's standard psy-ops behavior. yardwork Dec 5 #67
Except I don't believe that of the posters in question. Scrivener7 Dec 5 #68
We're seeing the effects of the effort. yardwork Dec 5 #70
Yes. Scrivener7 Dec 5 #71
Exactly. Kingofalldems Dec 5 #74
Bingo. Think. Again. Dec 5 #76
Ahhh a law and order absolutist peregrinus Dec 5 #37
I'm kind of a law and order absolutist too. But using black humor and pointing out Scrivener7 Dec 5 #39
I am not blaming the victim Keepthesoulalive Dec 5 #72
Some victims are obviously way more important than others. Crunchy Frog Dec 5 #31
For profit health insurance murders with impunity. Voltaire2 Dec 5 #45
Oh claudette Dec 5 #47
Oh come on, it's not murder when it's poor people in the way of more MONEY!!! ck4829 Dec 5 #52
Motives are motives. Iggo Dec 5 #19
No one on DU has said it does. Scrivener7 Dec 5 #25
Two years ck4829 Dec 5 #51
Some people seek to create false narratives. yardwork Dec 5 #61
This is very true ck4829 Dec 5 #69
Who said it does? yardwork Dec 5 #60
It doesn't justify it Bettie Dec 5 #73
We all deserve better stillspkg Dec 5 #16
I got a $3000 bill for 10 minutes in the ER. pfitz59 Dec 5 #17
According to the Federal Reserve, the "average American" has 8k in the bank. How the fuck the system has even lasted Karasu Dec 5 #20
Dump that Medicare Advantage soandso Dec 5 #32
The photos from Starbucks underpants Dec 5 #28
I smell a rumor being generated. n/t Jacson6 Dec 5 #30
I love it when people take crime-scene evidence found by detectives at face value. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 5 #42
I thought the same obamanut2012 Dec 5 #77
Occam's razor Mosby Dec 5 #81
At any given time, I have a stack of denials on my desk Horse with no Name Dec 5 #50
+1 dalton99a Dec 5 #75
CLASS ACTION SUIT onecaliberal Dec 5 #78
Hopefully the perp lives thru his capture and provides a lucid explanation for the shooting. NoMoreRepugs Dec 5 #56
When a pie in the CEO's face isn't enough. sop Dec 5 #64
I could see this becoming our future ChicagoRonin Dec 5 #79
When people feel that they are unjustly treated, and there seems to be no systematic recourse, usonian Dec 5 #83
He Should Have Been Armed Deep State Witch Dec 5 #84
If everybody had a gun no one would get shot! Emile Dec 5 #90
wow. that guy was obsessed! ecstatic Dec 5 #88

Solly Mack

(93,210 posts)
1. I think maybe. Delay, deny, defend is an insurance tactic to avoid paying.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 12:56 AM
Dec 5

Delay payment of justified claims.
Deny payment period.
Defend actions in court.

Depose has both the meaning of to remove forcefully and to give evidence in a trial.

So, it does sound like someone was making a point as to motive.

LeftInTX

(30,612 posts)
4. They were also deposed, where they denied and defended themselves against the DOJ's acussations of insider trading
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 01:23 AM
Dec 5

LeftInTX

(30,612 posts)
7. The dead guy, but probably also the other CEO and who knows who else.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 01:33 AM
Dec 5

Thompson in May was sued for alleged fraud and illegal insider trading. The Hollywood Firefighters’ Pension Fund filed a lawsuit against UnitedHealth Group, CEO Andrew Witty, Executive Chairman Stephen Hemsley and Thompson, alleging the executives schemed to inflate the company’s stock by failing to disclose a US Justice Department antitrust investigation into the company.

UnitedHealth Group in 2021 announced it would buy Change Healthcare. The Justice Department sued to break up the deal but a judge ultimately allowed it go through. But the Wall Street Journal in February 2024 reported the Department of Justice re-opened its case, even after the merger went through, to investigate whether the companies properly set up a so-called firewall to prevent customer information from flowing between divisions of the merged company.

The lawsuit claimed Thompson knew about the investigation as early as October 2023 and sold 31% of his company shares, making a $15 million profit, 11 days before the Journal publicized the probe. The Journal report sent UnitedHealth’s stock sinking 5%.

The revelation of the alleged insider trading led Democratic Senators Elizabeth Warren and Ed Markey to write a letter to the Securities and Exchange Commission on April 29, calling on Chairman Gary Gensler to investigate UnitedHealth for the executives’ stock sales. The senators noted Thompson faced up to $5 million in penalties and 20 years of prison time if convicted.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/04/business/who-was-brian-thompson/index.html

LizBeth

(10,893 posts)
80. This is interesting. This caused major issue in March 2024 because Change went down.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 10:27 AM
Dec 5

It is how we got claims from providers and it was hacked or something and shut down and caused a huge mess. They are still dealing with the mess of this. Lots of people lost money not able to process claims.

usonian

(14,617 posts)
3. How UnitedHealth's Playbook for Limiting Mental Health Coverage Puts Countless Americans' Treatment at Risk (ProPublica)
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 01:13 AM
Dec 5
https://www.propublica.org/article/unitedhealth-mental-health-care-denied-illegal-algorithm

For years, it was a mystery: Seemingly out of the blue, therapists would feel like they’d tripped some invisible wire and become a target of UnitedHealth Group.

A company representative with the Orwellian title “care advocate” would call and grill them about why they’d seen a patient twice a week or weekly for six months.

In case after case, United would refuse to cover care, leaving patients to pay out-of-pocket or go without it. The severity of their issues seemed not to matter.

Around 2016, government officials began to pry open United’s black box. They found that the nation’s largest health insurance conglomerate had been using algorithms to identify providers it determined were giving too much therapy and patients it believed were receiving too much; then, the company scrutinized their cases and cut off reimbursements.


Tons more at ProPublica
including "receipts" in the form of internal documents

Bernardo de La Paz

(51,252 posts)
35. No
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 07:07 AM
Dec 5

"Algorithms" (a misnomer) are not responsible. It is the decision makers who are responsible.

To blame "algorithms" is neo-luddite and is what the CEOs and managers want you to say, so you can let the decision makers off the hook. Please don't play into their game.

Landlords and executives are responsible, along with market conditions. If they charge more than the market can bear, they don't prosper. It makes no difference whether the recommendation is generated by software or by humans studying the information -- if the market won't pay it, they can't charge it.

The problem is that the US health care system is fundamentally broken. It costs twice as much as other advanced countries and the outcomes are only mid-range. It is broken because it is for-profit, for mega profit and because there is difficulty in switching plans so there is NOT a free market. The issue of so-called "pre-existing conditions" is a big factor in making the market very un-free.

NJCher

(38,229 posts)
21. This is like a nightmare
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 04:25 AM
Dec 5

How awful. How absolutely callous, cold, and cruel. To think they were putting paying customers through all that just so someone like this guy can make half a million a month and then do insider trading, making millions upon millions. And for what!? You can only spend so much !

This guy and greedy assholes like Musk. And trump himself, just think of nothing but money. I am so sick of them I could scream. I want to grab one of them by their collar and ask, “What the F*#)k is WRONG with you?”

yardwork

(64,765 posts)
59. A lot of us feel that way.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 08:36 AM
Dec 5

When I see Musk swaggering around it literally makes me feel sick.

NJCher

(38,229 posts)
22. Nobody is saying
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 04:37 AM
Dec 5

Murder is the answer. In fact, that is not even the point. The point is that some human was driven to do something like this. Why did this happen? What made someone do something this shocking?





Scrivener7

(53,199 posts)
41. Right? It's so interesting the way some posters obviously think they're slam dunking a point,
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 07:24 AM
Dec 5

when in fact they're missing the point altogether. And revealing more of themselves than they seem to think they are.

Crunchy Frog

(27,121 posts)
55. In that case, why not compare him
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 08:30 AM
Dec 5

to a screaming baby being beaten to death by his drug addicted parents? If we want to go for a really good analogy?

ThreeNoSeep

(180 posts)
40. Seems more like when an abuse victim
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 07:18 AM
Dec 5

shoots their abuser, because that's the only solution they see, not the other way round.

Crunchy Frog

(27,121 posts)
58. Murder is murder so there's absolutely no difference between the two situations.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 08:33 AM
Dec 5

At least that seems to be the point that the poster is trying to make.

Voltaire2

(14,878 posts)
44. It is exactly the other way around.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 07:48 AM
Dec 5

The analogy is the victim of abuse finally breaking and killing her abuser.

Keepthesoulalive

(811 posts)
13. Nothing justifies murder
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 02:04 AM
Dec 5

I hope that goes both ways because his denial of healthcare has probably killed a lot of people or made their conditions worse. He should have been forced to defend his decisions in a real court of law but we know if you are rich you can get away with it.

claudette

(4,671 posts)
15. Still sounds to me
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 02:26 AM
Dec 5

like you’re blaming the victim. Maybe the murderer rationalized his action just the way you did. Who knows?

progressoid

(50,787 posts)
18. He worked for UHC for 20 years.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 03:24 AM
Dec 5

He knew damn well the harm he was causing people through their "healthcare". Blame the victim? Sure. A little.

Did he deserve to be murdered? I don't condone it, but frankly I'm surprised this isn't happening more often. This system belongs to the wealthy. They own everything from elected officials to the courts. There is very little recourse for us peons on the bottom.

Meanwhile the company stock....

Kaleva

(38,541 posts)
24. How about the shareholders?
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 05:22 AM
Dec 5

People looking to maximize profits. The people who elected the board that hired the CEO.

Do you think their names, the shareholders, should be made public?

progressoid

(50,787 posts)
85. I'll repeat. I don't condone it.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 12:40 PM
Dec 5

Just being brutally honest about the world we live in. When a company who pretends to be helping people actually hurts them, we shouldn't be surprised when one of those hurt people fights back (assuming that's what this was.)

Regarding the board that hired him. I suspect their identity is already public knowledge. And if it is anything like most major corporations, the board is filled with people just like him who - no coincidence - are CEOs of other corporations. Their identity is a moot issue. It's already out there.

That said, one can easily imagine that there will be an uptick in private security following this. Especially if you find yourself heading a company that is maximizing profits and harming people rather than providing a useful service.

Kaleva

(38,541 posts)
89. I asked about shareholders
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 03:05 PM
Dec 5

Would you understand it if they were doxed so that maybe street justice be brought down upon them?

progressoid

(50,787 posts)
87. We?
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 12:58 PM
Dec 5

I don't view it that way but I can understand how others do. They even make movies about it but that doesn't seem to affect much change. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Q.

Do a little canvasing for a political candidate and you'll find that people out there are pissed. Unfortunately some people find horrible ways to express that anger.

Scrivener7

(53,199 posts)
26. The poster is not rationalizing any action. So maybe you shouldn't imply the poster and
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 06:48 AM
Dec 5

the murderer share any characteristics.

Murder and pointing out that a guy is a shit are two very different things.

And PS. The guy was a shit.

Scrivener7

(53,199 posts)
36. Has anyone said he did? And, because obviously no one here killed him or thought of killing him or
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 07:07 AM
Dec 5

condones killing him, does it really matter if some posters are not sad that he died?

Scrivener7

(53,199 posts)
48. You seem hell bent on painting DUers as murderous and terrible people because they are using
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 07:58 AM
Dec 5

black humor and pointing out what a shit this guy was.

Not sure why you think that's necessary, but I'll leave you to it. Have a lovely day.

marble falls

(62,523 posts)
53. Not murderous on their own, but supporting murder against the right people. I've seen things here that ...
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 08:24 AM
Dec 5

... just do not belong here and a goodly portion of these comments that have been hidden supporting this murder as a 'revolutionary act committed in the name of the people'.

Scrivener7

(53,199 posts)
57. Operative words: "that have been hidden." Which means they're demonstrably not supported here.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 08:31 AM
Dec 5

marble falls

(62,523 posts)
62. Go back and read this entire OP. It's being danced all around with the argument that he deserved it for ...
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 08:41 AM
Dec 5

... his company's alleged abused of it's insured.

Whatever he did, it didn't fall to the level of a death penalty. We don't arbitrarily execute people in the streets in this nation.

Scrivener7

(53,199 posts)
65. Go back and read through the comments. No one is saying we should arbitrarily
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 08:48 AM
Dec 5

execute people. No one here killed him, no one here considered killing him and no one (who hasn't been hidden by the people here) condones the killing.

What you call "dancing all around" amounts to using black humor, or noting that the guy did shitty things. Neither of those things equals condoning the murder. "Dancing all around" does not equal condoning murder. Not being sad about the murder does not equal condoning murder.

Obviously.

Though some here, inexplicably, seem to need to believe they are the same.

progressoid

(50,787 posts)
86. "We don't arbitrarily execute people in the streets in this nation."
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 12:49 PM
Dec 5

1. This doesn't seem arbritrary.

2. We do execute people in the streets. It's just done by the Cops. And gangs. Etc.
Face it, we (Americans) do a lot of killing.

yardwork

(64,765 posts)
63. That is nothing new.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 08:43 AM
Dec 5

Most of us have been told here for over a year that we're horrible people and that "nothing justifies this" as if we were perpetrators.

yardwork

(64,765 posts)
67. It's standard psy-ops behavior.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 08:56 AM
Dec 5

Establish oneself in a group and then start trouble, in subtle ways. Pretend to be upset by bad things the group is supposedly doing. This creates division, finger pointing, distracts and weakens the group. People feel demoralized, uncertain.

FUD. Fear, uncertainty and doubt.

Scrivener7

(53,199 posts)
68. Except I don't believe that of the posters in question.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 08:58 AM
Dec 5

Though I do see that technique at work here by some

Scrivener7

(53,199 posts)
39. I'm kind of a law and order absolutist too. But using black humor and pointing out
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 07:16 AM
Dec 5

that a man has done bad things, and making observations about Karma have nothing to do with laws.

Keepthesoulalive

(811 posts)
72. I am not blaming the victim
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 09:10 AM
Dec 5

I am blaming a corrupt legal system that has allowed him to get away killing people for profit. We need gun control and billionaire control, no one should have the power of life and death because of station, over others.

ck4829

(36,123 posts)
52. Oh come on, it's not murder when it's poor people in the way of more MONEY!!!
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 08:09 AM
Dec 5
... from me

ck4829

(36,123 posts)
51. Two years
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 08:05 AM
Dec 5

For a little over two years now I have been posting on a board here on this very site...

https://democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1033

A board dedicated to posting about people getting scammed and going to an early grave because of decisions by people like Thompson.

Two years. I didn't see any of the hand-wringers then, where were they? The silence tells me the ruin and early deaths are clearly justified in their views.

But hey, just the poors, right?

Bettie

(17,389 posts)
73. It doesn't justify it
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 09:12 AM
Dec 5

but it does give a reason why someone was driven to that point.

Insurance companies have meetings about how best to deny coverage and how many they can deny and still be within regulations.

stillspkg

(112 posts)
16. We all deserve better
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 03:01 AM
Dec 5

I was on the process of completing my comment portion of a Medicare Survey . It was taking so long and in the midst, the Oligarchs took over. I've had 4 different plans in five years because the procedures I needed were no longer covered. This, besides the deny, delay, and defend has been ridiculous. Changes mean findung new doctors, making sure they got prior authorization. I honestly have little time for anything else. I hate this system. I can understand the rage, while not condoning violence.
I soent one afternoon in the ER with severe stomach issues. The bill for 4 hours was $34,000. Fortunately it was covered. I can't imagine what others have gone through. No violence is not the answer, and neither is playing games with people's healthcare.

pfitz59

(10,987 posts)
17. I got a $3000 bill for 10 minutes in the ER.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 03:15 AM
Dec 5

With a Physician's Assistant. The bill arrived 9 months AFTER the visit. Luckily WA state has a law against 'surprise billing'. Also, my visit and subsequent treatment was 100% covered by Workmen's Comp as it was an on-the-job injury. I wonder how this would have played out if I were less educated or aware.

Karasu

(368 posts)
20. According to the Federal Reserve, the "average American" has 8k in the bank. How the fuck the system has even lasted
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 03:32 AM
Dec 5
this long is beyond me.

underpants

(187,368 posts)
28. The photos from Starbucks
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 06:54 AM
Dec 5

look like a celebrity. It’s not I’m sure but given the suspect’s height and that pic sure looks like a household name.

Mosby

(17,643 posts)
81. Occam's razor
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 10:28 AM
Dec 5

The simplest explanation is ofter the correct one, in this case, the killer was screwed over by UHC and wanted payback.

Horse with no Name

(34,076 posts)
50. At any given time, I have a stack of denials on my desk
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 08:03 AM
Dec 5

Each one of them requires an appeal. Every one of those denials represent a patient that is suffering and needs surgical intervention.
One of the last appeals that I did consisted of 300+ pages and it was still denied. In that appeal, there were medical records, scientific proof, as well as studies and proof that other carriers approve the same procedure.
Despite the fact that it was medically necessary, despite the fact that the patient was suffering, despite the fact that it was best practice.
I have had specific appeals to UHC particularly to provide surgical relief for patients with terminal conditions that have been denied. They definitely play the long game and await the patient to die.
While I don’t condone violence, I certainly won’t lose sleep over it.

NoMoreRepugs

(10,646 posts)
56. Hopefully the perp lives thru his capture and provides a lucid explanation for the shooting.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 08:31 AM
Dec 5

Read all the comments, whew, lots of edgy posters.

ChicagoRonin

(711 posts)
79. I could see this becoming our future
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 10:24 AM
Dec 5

Whereas South Korea, with its limited gun ownership and highly educated general populace, fought back against their authoritarian president with the power of the legislature and protests, I see the U.S. with its political illteracy, warped sense of individualism and excesssive gun ownership turning to violence to solve problems.

Let's face it, there's a lot of inequality in our society right now, and an overall feeling that no one is actually looking out for the average person. The Democrats try, but the party overall is in bed with too much of the same bad money as the Republicans, and keeps undercutting genuine progressive voices. The Republicans win elections by playing identity politics but don't offer anything real of benefit to the least in society.

A lot of folks are fed up and feel helpless. I'm sure the recent election just reinforced the sense for many that the rich and corrupt will just get away with it.

And those are all ripe ingredients for violence to start rippling through our society.

usonian

(14,617 posts)
83. When people feel that they are unjustly treated, and there seems to be no systematic recourse,
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 11:08 AM
Dec 5

they may feel like taking justice into their own hands.

Lots of caveats.

1. Murder is not the answer. Yet, nations are at war, "legitimizing" murder, and as we know, nations (Putin) encourage mob violence in others to destabilize them. He infiltrated the NRA, and continues to foment violence through his orange operative.

2. The "injustice" may be imaginary or an outright lie, such as the "white oppression" at the heart of the GOP and its poster boys: Apartheid fanbois Musk and Thiel.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219696928

3. This entire matter is driven by the privatization of healthcare and the corruption of politicians to support it and deny universal healthcare. This will only get worse as the fox is in charge of the chickens. We are fighting for the many and not just the few, but apartheid is minority rule.

They rule largely though lies.


What's the point of this? That there is injustice, and some may take that into their own hands, but in some cases, "When in the course of human events" a group seeks violent remedy, or perhaps an individual seeks to do so, the real solution is to redess the real injustice.

It can be a monumental struggle to do so, with many damaged before the wrong is righted.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219759252


Until the culture of unlimited greed, blessed by hypocritical "prophets of profit" changes,
we must continue to fight for "the little guy"

Cultural change may take longer than our murderous global and local societies survive, but some are firm in our belief in equality, human dignity and fairness.

After all, what damn good is a fortune gained at the expense of money when you can't take it with you? Or, it goes to kids who blow it on drugs?



Diet Coke or regular Coke?

Research says that money beyond a certain amount buys little or no real happiness. The lust for it is the "happiness" and that happiness is not real. But it's magnified and glorified by the false stories that society tells us.



Until that changes, fight for the little guy and universal health care.



He overthrew the caste system and accepted women as equals when they were chattel.

Real happiness can be attained by fighting for others. In doing so, we benefit ourselves as well. Hoarding invites karma. Karma may seem to take forever, with many damaged along the way, but that's why we fight.

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