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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo it was a revenge killing of UHC Executive
Thompson was shot to death at point-blank range in Midtown Manhattan on Wednesday morning before he was set to attend an investor conference, according to police.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/man-shot-chest-midtown-manhattan-masked-gunman-large/story?id=116446382
Solly Mack
(93,210 posts)Delay payment of justified claims.
Deny payment period.
Defend actions in court.
Depose has both the meaning of to remove forcefully and to give evidence in a trial.
So, it does sound like someone was making a point as to motive.
LeftInTX
(30,612 posts)Solly Mack
(93,210 posts)LeftInTX
(30,612 posts)Thompson in May was sued for alleged fraud and illegal insider trading. The Hollywood Firefighters Pension Fund filed a lawsuit against UnitedHealth Group, CEO Andrew Witty, Executive Chairman Stephen Hemsley and Thompson, alleging the executives schemed to inflate the companys stock by failing to disclose a US Justice Department antitrust investigation into the company.
UnitedHealth Group in 2021 announced it would buy Change Healthcare. The Justice Department sued to break up the deal but a judge ultimately allowed it go through. But the Wall Street Journal in February 2024 reported the Department of Justice re-opened its case, even after the merger went through, to investigate whether the companies properly set up a so-called firewall to prevent customer information from flowing between divisions of the merged company.
The lawsuit claimed Thompson knew about the investigation as early as October 2023 and sold 31% of his company shares, making a $15 million profit, 11 days before the Journal publicized the probe. The Journal report sent UnitedHealths stock sinking 5%.
The revelation of the alleged insider trading led Democratic Senators Elizabeth Warren and Ed Markey to write a letter to the Securities and Exchange Commission on April 29, calling on Chairman Gary Gensler to investigate UnitedHealth for the executives stock sales. The senators noted Thompson faced up to $5 million in penalties and 20 years of prison time if convicted.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/04/business/who-was-brian-thompson/index.html
Thanks.
Tanuki
(15,396 posts)malaise
(278,796 posts)Criminals in suits
LizBeth
(10,893 posts)It is how we got claims from providers and it was hacked or something and shut down and caused a huge mess. They are still dealing with the mess of this. Lots of people lost money not able to process claims.
RedWhiteBlueIsRacist
(292 posts)through a UHC death panel.
usonian
(14,617 posts)A company representative with the Orwellian title care advocate would call and grill them about why theyd seen a patient twice a week or weekly for six months.
In case after case, United would refuse to cover care, leaving patients to pay out-of-pocket or go without it. The severity of their issues seemed not to matter.
Around 2016, government officials began to pry open Uniteds black box. They found that the nations largest health insurance conglomerate had been using algorithms to identify providers it determined were giving too much therapy and patients it believed were receiving too much; then, the company scrutinized their cases and cut off reimbursements.
Tons more at ProPublica
including "receipts" in the form of internal documents
Same thing that app that landlords use that is setting rents sky high.
usonian
(14,617 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(51,252 posts)"Algorithms" (a misnomer) are not responsible. It is the decision makers who are responsible.
To blame "algorithms" is neo-luddite and is what the CEOs and managers want you to say, so you can let the decision makers off the hook. Please don't play into their game.
Landlords and executives are responsible, along with market conditions. If they charge more than the market can bear, they don't prosper. It makes no difference whether the recommendation is generated by software or by humans studying the information -- if the market won't pay it, they can't charge it.
The problem is that the US health care system is fundamentally broken. It costs twice as much as other advanced countries and the outcomes are only mid-range. It is broken because it is for-profit, for mega profit and because there is difficulty in switching plans so there is NOT a free market. The issue of so-called "pre-existing conditions" is a big factor in making the market very un-free.
soandso
(1,631 posts)Garbage in, garbage out. Humans programmed it.
Voltaire2
(14,878 posts)not to new technology itself.
NJCher
(38,229 posts)How awful. How absolutely callous, cold, and cruel. To think they were putting paying customers through all that just so someone like this guy can make half a million a month and then do insider trading, making millions upon millions. And for what!? You can only spend so much !
This guy and greedy assholes like Musk. And trump himself, just think of nothing but money. I am so sick of them I could scream. I want to grab one of them by their collar and ask, What the F*#)k is WRONG with you?
yardwork
(64,765 posts)When I see Musk swaggering around it literally makes me feel sick.
claudette
(4,671 posts)justifies his murder. Nothing does.
rampartd
(877 posts)]the seems seems to need therapy if that was denied?
Murder is not the answer. It still didnt make it covered
NJCher
(38,229 posts)Murder is the answer. In fact, that is not even the point. The point is that some human was driven to do something like this. Why did this happen? What made someone do something this shocking?
Kaleva
(38,541 posts)What drove them to do that?
Crunchy Frog
(27,121 posts)Scrivener7
(53,199 posts)when in fact they're missing the point altogether. And revealing more of themselves than they seem to think they are.
Kaleva
(38,541 posts)Is it not?
Crunchy Frog
(27,121 posts)to a screaming baby being beaten to death by his drug addicted parents? If we want to go for a really good analogy?
Kaleva
(38,541 posts)ThreeNoSeep
(180 posts)shoots their abuser, because that's the only solution they see, not the other way round.
Kaleva
(38,541 posts)It was more of an act of revenge.
Crunchy Frog
(27,121 posts)At least that seems to be the point that the poster is trying to make.
Voltaire2
(14,878 posts)The analogy is the victim of abuse finally breaking and killing her abuser.
Keepthesoulalive
(811 posts)I hope that goes both ways because his denial of healthcare has probably killed a lot of people or made their conditions worse. He should have been forced to defend his decisions in a real court of law but we know if you are rich you can get away with it.
claudette
(4,671 posts)like youre blaming the victim. Maybe the murderer rationalized his action just the way you did. Who knows?
progressoid
(50,787 posts)He knew damn well the harm he was causing people through their "healthcare". Blame the victim? Sure. A little.
Did he deserve to be murdered? I don't condone it, but frankly I'm surprised this isn't happening more often. This system belongs to the wealthy. They own everything from elected officials to the courts. There is very little recourse for us peons on the bottom.
Meanwhile the company stock....
Kaleva
(38,541 posts)People looking to maximize profits. The people who elected the board that hired the CEO.
Do you think their names, the shareholders, should be made public?
progressoid
(50,787 posts)Just being brutally honest about the world we live in. When a company who pretends to be helping people actually hurts them, we shouldn't be surprised when one of those hurt people fights back (assuming that's what this was.)
Regarding the board that hired him. I suspect their identity is already public knowledge. And if it is anything like most major corporations, the board is filled with people just like him who - no coincidence - are CEOs of other corporations. Their identity is a moot issue. It's already out there.
That said, one can easily imagine that there will be an uptick in private security following this. Especially if you find yourself heading a company that is maximizing profits and harming people rather than providing a useful service.
Kaleva
(38,541 posts)Would you understand it if they were doxed so that maybe street justice be brought down upon them?
claudette
(4,671 posts)Is that how we view solving a problem?
I don't view it that way but I can understand how others do. They even make movies about it but that doesn't seem to affect much change. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Q.
Do a little canvasing for a political candidate and you'll find that people out there are pissed. Unfortunately some people find horrible ways to express that anger.
Scrivener7
(53,199 posts)the murderer share any characteristics.
Murder and pointing out that a guy is a shit are two very different things.
And PS. The guy was a shit.
claudette
(4,671 posts)Scrivener7
(53,199 posts)condones killing him, does it really matter if some posters are not sad that he died?
They implied it by blaming the victim for what he did as CEO. He killed no one
Scrivener7
(53,199 posts)black humor and pointing out what a shit this guy was.
Not sure why you think that's necessary, but I'll leave you to it. Have a lovely day.
marble falls
(62,523 posts)... just do not belong here and a goodly portion of these comments that have been hidden supporting this murder as a 'revolutionary act committed in the name of the people'.
Scrivener7
(53,199 posts)marble falls
(62,523 posts)... his company's alleged abused of it's insured.
Whatever he did, it didn't fall to the level of a death penalty. We don't arbitrarily execute people in the streets in this nation.
Scrivener7
(53,199 posts)execute people. No one here killed him, no one here considered killing him and no one (who hasn't been hidden by the people here) condones the killing.
What you call "dancing all around" amounts to using black humor, or noting that the guy did shitty things. Neither of those things equals condoning the murder. "Dancing all around" does not equal condoning murder. Not being sad about the murder does not equal condoning murder.
Obviously.
Though some here, inexplicably, seem to need to believe they are the same.
progressoid
(50,787 posts)1. This doesn't seem arbritrary.
2. We do execute people in the streets. It's just done by the Cops. And gangs. Etc.
Face it, we (Americans) do a lot of killing.
yardwork
(64,765 posts)Most of us have been told here for over a year that we're horrible people and that "nothing justifies this" as if we were perpetrators.
Scrivener7
(53,199 posts)yardwork
(64,765 posts)Establish oneself in a group and then start trouble, in subtle ways. Pretend to be upset by bad things the group is supposedly doing. This creates division, finger pointing, distracts and weakens the group. People feel demoralized, uncertain.
FUD. Fear, uncertainty and doubt.
Scrivener7
(53,199 posts)Though I do see that technique at work here by some
yardwork
(64,765 posts)People become true believers.
Kingofalldems
(39,290 posts)Think. Again.
(19,093 posts)peregrinus
(409 posts)Hope you can have this debate when society has imploded.
Scrivener7
(53,199 posts)that a man has done bad things, and making observations about Karma have nothing to do with laws.
Keepthesoulalive
(811 posts)I am blaming a corrupt legal system that has allowed him to get away killing people for profit. We need gun control and billionaire control, no one should have the power of life and death because of station, over others.
Crunchy Frog
(27,121 posts)Even DU understands this.
Voltaire2
(14,878 posts)Lordy
ck4829
(36,123 posts)Iggo
(48,532 posts)If they were excuses, theyd be called excuses.
Scrivener7
(53,199 posts)For a little over two years now I have been posting on a board here on this very site...
https://democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1033
A board dedicated to posting about people getting scammed and going to an early grave because of decisions by people like Thompson.
Two years. I didn't see any of the hand-wringers then, where were they? The silence tells me the ruin and early deaths are clearly justified in their views.
But hey, just the poors, right?
yardwork
(64,765 posts)The handwringing may not be genuine.
ck4829
(36,123 posts)yardwork
(64,765 posts)Bettie
(17,389 posts)but it does give a reason why someone was driven to that point.
Insurance companies have meetings about how best to deny coverage and how many they can deny and still be within regulations.
stillspkg
(112 posts)I was on the process of completing my comment portion of a Medicare Survey . It was taking so long and in the midst, the Oligarchs took over. I've had 4 different plans in five years because the procedures I needed were no longer covered. This, besides the deny, delay, and defend has been ridiculous. Changes mean findung new doctors, making sure they got prior authorization. I honestly have little time for anything else. I hate this system. I can understand the rage, while not condoning violence.
I soent one afternoon in the ER with severe stomach issues. The bill for 4 hours was $34,000. Fortunately it was covered. I can't imagine what others have gone through. No violence is not the answer, and neither is playing games with people's healthcare.
pfitz59
(10,987 posts)With a Physician's Assistant. The bill arrived 9 months AFTER the visit. Luckily WA state has a law against 'surprise billing'. Also, my visit and subsequent treatment was 100% covered by Workmen's Comp as it was an on-the-job injury. I wonder how this would have played out if I were less educated or aware.
Karasu
(368 posts)soandso
(1,631 posts)underpants
(187,368 posts)look like a celebrity. Its not Im sure but given the suspects height and that pic sure looks like a household name.
Jacson6
(842 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(24,100 posts)obamanut2012
(27,884 posts)Mosby
(17,643 posts)The simplest explanation is ofter the correct one, in this case, the killer was screwed over by UHC and wanted payback.
Horse with no Name
(34,076 posts)Each one of them requires an appeal. Every one of those denials represent a patient that is suffering and needs surgical intervention.
One of the last appeals that I did consisted of 300+ pages and it was still denied. In that appeal, there were medical records, scientific proof, as well as studies and proof that other carriers approve the same procedure.
Despite the fact that it was medically necessary, despite the fact that the patient was suffering, despite the fact that it was best practice.
I have had specific appeals to UHC particularly to provide surgical relief for patients with terminal conditions that have been denied. They definitely play the long game and await the patient to die.
While I dont condone violence, I certainly wont lose sleep over it.
dalton99a
(84,881 posts)onecaliberal
(36,331 posts)NoMoreRepugs
(10,646 posts)Read all the comments, whew, lots of edgy posters.
sop
(11,587 posts)ChicagoRonin
(711 posts)Whereas South Korea, with its limited gun ownership and highly educated general populace, fought back against their authoritarian president with the power of the legislature and protests, I see the U.S. with its political illteracy, warped sense of individualism and excesssive gun ownership turning to violence to solve problems.
Let's face it, there's a lot of inequality in our society right now, and an overall feeling that no one is actually looking out for the average person. The Democrats try, but the party overall is in bed with too much of the same bad money as the Republicans, and keeps undercutting genuine progressive voices. The Republicans win elections by playing identity politics but don't offer anything real of benefit to the least in society.
A lot of folks are fed up and feel helpless. I'm sure the recent election just reinforced the sense for many that the rich and corrupt will just get away with it.
And those are all ripe ingredients for violence to start rippling through our society.
usonian
(14,617 posts)they may feel like taking justice into their own hands.
Lots of caveats.
1. Murder is not the answer. Yet, nations are at war, "legitimizing" murder, and as we know, nations (Putin) encourage mob violence in others to destabilize them. He infiltrated the NRA, and continues to foment violence through his orange operative.
2. The "injustice" may be imaginary or an outright lie, such as the "white oppression" at the heart of the GOP and its poster boys: Apartheid fanbois Musk and Thiel.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219696928
3. This entire matter is driven by the privatization of healthcare and the corruption of politicians to support it and deny universal healthcare. This will only get worse as the fox is in charge of the chickens. We are fighting for the many and not just the few, but apartheid is minority rule.
They rule largely though lies.
What's the point of this? That there is injustice, and some may take that into their own hands, but in some cases, "When in the course of human events" a group seeks violent remedy, or perhaps an individual seeks to do so, the real solution is to redess the real injustice.
It can be a monumental struggle to do so, with many damaged before the wrong is righted.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219759252
Until the culture of unlimited greed, blessed by hypocritical "prophets of profit" changes,
we must continue to fight for "the little guy"
Cultural change may take longer than our murderous global and local societies survive, but some are firm in our belief in equality, human dignity and fairness.
After all, what damn good is a fortune gained at the expense of money when you can't take it with you? Or, it goes to kids who blow it on drugs?
Diet Coke or regular Coke?
Research says that money beyond a certain amount buys little or no real happiness. The lust for it is the "happiness" and that happiness is not real. But it's magnified and glorified by the false stories that society tells us.
Until that changes, fight for the little guy and universal health care.
He overthrew the caste system and accepted women as equals when they were chattel.
Real happiness can be attained by fighting for others. In doing so, we benefit ourselves as well. Hoarding invites karma. Karma may seem to take forever, with many damaged along the way, but that's why we fight.
Deep State Witch
(11,364 posts)Then the guy would have thought twice about shooting him. Amirite?
Emile
(30,797 posts)ecstatic
(34,519 posts)I've never heard of anyone writing on bullets before.