She was never a good choice, and isnt now.

No squadies need apply.

The cause isnt imporyant, there were too many.

Thinking you are better than either party or country, standing on puriy of political thought while attacking our potus, is not sound leadership.

This is part of why we lost voters. Attacks from within.

She is just not right for potus. Not now. Not ever.

Being part of an extremist coalition isnt a bad thing in itself, it can keep the party spicy as long as its aim isnt to overturn the president in power when its a dem (which it seemed to be at times).

But it isnt a basis to lead the party and country. Its the basis to lead a cult.

There is no guarentee a centrist would be a team player, or even mentally stable.

There are lots of criteria that go into what make a good potus.

I heard some even demanded Biden to drop out of the race.

voter sentiment will change in four years to go for another woman of color and a far-left one at that.

Now Mark Cuban is another matter. He has some positives similar to trump's withoot all the many negatives. He's a legit billionaire, a white male, has star-quality and much national exposure from the TV show "Shark Tank", he's well-spoken and makes logical arguments on the show, and is good looking. All the things that made trump attractive to millions of voters (except the good looking part), without trump's negatives which are the ridiculous make-up and hair, the bloviating lying, the bragging about grabbing women by the vajay-jay and them letting him do it, no birther BS, no photos of his daughter doing a lap dance on him/his obvious lusting after her, his three marriages and unfaithfulness to his pregnant third wife and on and on.

Thus I say, knowing what we know now about the Overton Window of acceptability to American voters, Mark Cuban gets my vote.

California governor Gavin Newsom has many of the same qualities that Cuban has...good looking, well-spoken etc., but he's at a disadvantage being from California which seems a negative for many fly-over-country voters. Also his having been married to Kimberly Guilfoyle, trump Jr's ex-fiance, is not a positive.

Again, Cuban is a positive, Newsom in my book is but for many, apparently no. VP Harris again? She'll probably run for governor of California as Newsom is term-limited.

That leaves AOC left to consider...and that's the problem. She's got star-quality but is too far left for the majority of voters. Not me, but I'm not the majority of voters.

What makes this time different? We keep expecting the entire country to trend left. How's that working?

Perhaps if we had an unabashed left winger run, we would have more success.

Also what does being female have anything do with anything?

She is wildly loved by a very loud minority. Her polling is too far left, even among Democrats, and that says it all. You already see that here on DU, and that really says something.

AOC creates an extra hurdle for herself by keeping the "democratic socialist" label. She's not a private activist anymore, she's a politician. It's not her job to "educate" people anymore, it's her job to persuade, and, overall, this country doesn't do "subtle" where the s-word is involved. She just starts out in a hole that she needs to climb out of to get anywhere else.

That one line from the article is scary, and possibly more important than who the nominee will be.

It's like the author went whistling past a particularly ominous cemetery, happily picking lilies from the graves.

It's another thing altogether to win a national election. The two just aren't comparable. I think she'd stand a better chance after holding a statewide office, so a Senate run might be a better next step. That'd be a reasonable springboard into running for a higher office.

On top of that, her firebrand reputation is a two-edged sword. Democrats love her for it but she's the boogeyperson the Republicans love to demonize. It's a side effect of her high profile. And yes, the GOP will demonize any Democrat, I realize this.

On the other hand, she's not afraid to get right down in the trenches and slug it out with them. She's fearless, and one could argue we need that right now.

My preference would be either Newsom or Whitmer. AOC could, I suppose, be a good running mate for either. That would lift her to a national office and position her for a run of her own after their terms. It'd also fire up younger voters who really like her.

I like her, but run the entire executive branch? Based on fucking what? Charm and a progressive fanbase?

She's matured , and is developing into a Congressional leader. But she need some actual experience LEADING people. No a chance she survives the primaries... assuming we get to vote in 2028... not a given.

you everything you need to know.

Cause they thought it would mean another two decades of Democratic rule. Maybe the reaction of the opposition to a person isn't the best indicator of their success.

So have RWers, and that’s why they pushed this again.

Democrats will have to nominate a straight white Christian male. Don’t try to break a glass ceiling, just win the election. So that means no to AOC, Whitmer, Buttigieg, Shapiro, etc.

And he is charismatic.

The demonization is definitely unfair.

My personal opinion is we need someone more uncouth. Stop playing nice with the pigs on the right.

He knew he was going to be outspent for his Congressional seat, so he ran for State AG and won.

He's a good man. He needs to get better known.



I really, REALLY like Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez but she is too polarizing at this point. People hate her merely because she is young, smart, has the education to back it all up AND...she's pretty. The right will hate her just to spite themselves.

I could see her and Jackson on a ticket. Now THAT would be something.

And constantly then why not?
People need to get over the "polarizing" nonsense. Polarizing hasn't hurt Republicans. They've found a way to tap into discontent. She has the right message and policy proposals.

Both are important. The umbrella of inclusion and a post neo liberal economic message. I support that 100%!

It's about bringing in the working class! It's about kitchen table politics. This economy is only working for those at the top. The Democratic party needs to quit supporting neo liberalism and support the working class. Get back to our roots!

Charisma is what Clinton, Obama, and (yes) Orange Hitler have in common. What Orange Hitler has is "Dark Charisma."

AOC has charisma, sure, but if Harris was a Communist (per my Dad), how will dipshit swing voters perceive her?

I bet Newsom winds up the nominee in '28.

Need someone who has perceived authenticity and can take complex ideas and break them down like a Sanders (not saying he should be the nominee but someone like him).

And whoever it is needs to build their media presence well ahead of the primaries, going on TV, podcasts, social media etc. to build a brand.

His wife would be better than him.

She was born in Lebanon. She probably wouldn't do it anyway.

it, and to be frank, IMHO she can't win a state-wide election in NY.

Completely forgetting 2020. After 4 years of Trump the voters were looking for normalcy and the opposite of Trump. Biden, a well liked VP, fit that bill.

I am not saying that what people want in 2028 will be what they wanted in 2020, I am saying that it is unlikely to be what they would have preferred in 2024. After the 2026 midterms we will have a better idea. Long before that, several people will form committees to test the water, position themselves, develop stump speeches to define themselves and will hope they are the right person for that time.

Biden won during the pandemic when millions of low propensity, low information voters had little going on beyond paying attention to politics. And we still barely won. Take away covid and there is a very good chance that Trump would have been reelected in 2020.

Another way to looking at is is that over the last decade, there has been a lot of discontent that in 2016, 2020 and 2024 led to a shift against the party in power. This year, around the world, incumbents are losing everywhere.

My point is that until the Midterms, we will not have a feel for how public sentiment will go.

she couldn't get elected dogcatcher outside her district. Also, at least in the near-ish future (20 years?), there isn't a snowball's chance in Hell that this retrograde, knuckle-dragging country will elect a woman. The nominee in 2028 will have to be a generic white guy. Identity politics isn't working.

is the very definition of "identity politics".

because it's the only "identity" this country seems to be able to handle.

not. We just spent a billion dollars on a "Star Powered" election and lost.

But she would be utterly crushed in a presidential race.

President. Learn from your history, two powerful, educated and intelligent women lost to a p***y grabber, aka a piece of shit, a loser, a heinous insurrectionist (who plans to pardon his fellow J6 felons) and a downright lover of dictators,. Shirley Chisolm started a powerful movement and her movement went no where. What we need is a powerful white man/with a female VP to run for President in 2028, then they get re-elected, and assuming the magas see improvements in their lives, they may vote Dems. That may prove to Americans on the sides lines that a woman is worthy of their votes. In the mean time, it's a man's world in the US. Frankly, I would love to live in a world where women are heads of states but that's a dream. Sadly, some women leaders squandered their opportunities to govern for the betterment of their people.

Her only strength is in a solidly blue, very liberal, district. She does not have what it takes to win a national election. She can certainly try, but I suspect she'd fail to get the Democratic Party's nomination anyway. Tick-tock followers does not equal votes... sorry.

She's the best choice if Democrats want to regain the WH.

He is absolutely brilliant.

Stupid appears to sell a whole lot better. Some people don't want to listen to brilliant people because that makes them feel even more stupid.

There are actually very few people out there who I would consider capable of the job. But capable is not necessarily electable.

so long ago wouldn't be a problem now. Of course her affiliation with the god awful Democratic Socialists of America would win her lots of votes outside NYC. /s

Pretty much zero appeal to middle America.

* although I know that "defund" was a popular slogan and bandwagon cause back in the day, it's been my observation that politicians who check the direction of the wind before taking a stand on a subject will not do well in the long run.

I believe that Harris ran a very good campaign in a very short time-span. I believe that she will learn what she needs to do to run an even more effective campaign.

Perhaps things will change in four years, but I think they will be even worse. We now live in a post-truth country where Trump and his mouthpieces determine what is fact and what is not. The media is already kowtowing to him. Once installed as president, I doubt any of what we think of as mainstream media will have the courage to report accurately on his actions and lies. During Trump’s first term, the Washington Post compiled a running tally of his lies, over 30,000. They will not do that again because Bezos and his Fox stooge Will Lewis will do nothing but praise Trump’s every move. And given the extreme right-wing bias of hate radio, podcasts, and internet news, I think even more people will be led to believe that whatever Trump says is the truth.

many of her positions, she couldn't even get elected statewide in New York, let alone the country.

To successfully run for president. It breaks my heart to say this, however, this is where America is at today.

more immediate concerns to think about right now, dontcha think? Im going to wait to see what the lay of the land is, and what kind of leadership emerges in opposition.

AOC is good in her district but I doubt she could win a statewide race let alone a national.

I like her and all but we’d be looking at 40+ state landslide if we were foolish enough to nominate her.

And this is assuming there are actually going to be any more legitimate elections.

hate her at least as much as Republicans do...for having principles and not abandoning them the second they are inconvenient.

Unfortunately, I don't believe we'll ever have a woman as president in this country. Misogyny seems to be almost a religion for a lot of people.

I expect that if we have another election, Dems will decide that the way to go is to be Maga-lite...centering white, religious, men to the exclusion of literally everyone else.

it seems she would be a poor choice. Someone who is so polarizing among Democrats would be unlikely to win at a national level.

It's guaranteed failure.

It's a tragic indicator that collective intelligence of the American voter has dropped to the point where we now need billionaire celebrities to win presidential elections, but here we are...

Voters have said TWICE that TFG is preferable to any/all women, yet they're hellbent on making that mistake a third time?

we need a golden boy because women are at best second class citizens. 3rd time won't be the charm.

We need to win.

Obama had the right formula.

In her campaign, Kamala brought Hope, but continuity. She needed the change part as well. Trump brought Doom and Change, but the change part helped him win.

Any future Democratic nominee should remember the magic words: Hope and Change

Let's breathe some life into our leadership! She's of a generation that will have to deal with Trump's legacy, and understands that these are not normal political times. The vast majority of Democratic leadership is pretty MIA on how to counter what's coming, and they act like just because it might be a peaceful transfer of power, it will be a benign transfer of power that we can counter in two years.

I'm also SO TIRED of my generation pissing on The Squad, as if Neoliberalism is the only viable avenue for Democrats. It's not. It has failed us badly. Time to give the Progressive the reigns.

I wouldn’t count on it.

He would have just won reelection.

Three terms in NYC.

None of that was great. Unless you think illegally detaining anti-war protestors during the 2004 Republican Convention was great. Or that the stop and frisk policy was great. Or raising property taxes on middle class home owners at a 6AM hearing while simultaneously cutting his own taxes was great. Or exploiting a loophole to get himself a third term was great.

I like AOC, by the way. She would not have any chance in Hell of being elected as President, though. Nope.

Let's Go!

For now that's just how it is.