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Dennis Donovan

(27,431 posts)
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 08:28 AM Dec 5

southpaw: ABC and NBC both reporting some strong evidence of motive in the UHC shooting.

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ABC and NBC both reporting some strong evidence of motive in the UHC shooting.

abcnews.go.com/US/man-shot-...

www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...


‪southpaw‬
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The words imprecisely echo the title of Jay Feinman’s 2010 book about health insurers’ abusive practices.
Book cover:


southpaw
‪@nycsouthpaw.bsky.social‬
Small correx: I should’ve just written insurers; I don’t think Feinman’s book was limited to the health insurance space.
December 5, 2024 at 7:50 AM


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southpaw: ABC and NBC both reporting some strong evidence of motive in the UHC shooting. (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Dec 5 OP
Good find. Liberal In Texas Dec 5 #1
Or someone he cared about got royally screwed by UHC. Irish_Dem Dec 5 #2
Tragic that our system has come to this Bluetus Dec 5 #5
It's why the French people invented guillotines. Irish_Dem Dec 5 #20
Dr Louis Guillotin invented what came to be called the guillotine, soldierant Dec 5 #74
I'm surprised it took so long ramapo Dec 5 #22
This is Bannon's wet dream Bluetus Dec 5 #52
At least Americans are expressing righteous anger and are in agreement. Irish_Dem Dec 5 #75
He's about to spend the rest of his life in jail. jimfields33 Dec 5 #9
I doubt he cares theplayer Dec 5 #29
He may be terminal and decided what the hell Arazi Dec 5 #35
ironically, maybe that's part of the plan - at least there he'll have healthcare. Rabrrrrrr Dec 5 #57
I have not heard any news about an arrest. First, you gotta catch him. ZonkerHarris Dec 5 #59
Yes, that was my first impression PatSeg Dec 5 #13
I live in Minnesota where UH is based. liberalhistorian Dec 5 #38
I live in Minnesota, where UH is based. liberalhistorian Dec 5 #39
anyone care to wager on whether or not they catch this guy alive? mopinko Dec 5 #3
I was thinking the same thing. gab13by13 Dec 5 #8
AI has no fucking business deciding anything for anyone, least of all without any national legislation to regulate it. Karasu Dec 5 #69
Yeah, but he's a white guy Farmer-Rick Dec 5 #12
Yeah. Sometimes they gets killed after they're captured and convicted. 3Hotdogs Dec 5 #23
I hope he posts his story before he takes his own life, if he does do that. BComplex Dec 5 #47
yeah, i'm hoping his social media is enlightening, anyway. mopinko Dec 5 #48
An insurance company should never deny a claim from a hitman. LiberalArkie Dec 5 #4
This case should be easy to solve. Just make a list of all the people who got screwed over by UHC Midnight Writer Dec 5 #6
You win the thread malaise Dec 5 #7
+2 LOL Emile Dec 5 #11
+1 dalton99a Dec 5 #14
That's right. The list can't be too long, can it? liberalla Dec 5 #19
I'm one. ChazInAz Dec 5 #31
OMG! Chaz! I'm so sorry! BComplex Dec 5 #63
On it underpants Dec 5 #32
Is it okay... littlemissmartypants Dec 5 #51
Sure. I guess. I found it in Facebook underpants Dec 5 #58
So, do you know who it belongs to? Or do you want credit? ❤️ littlemissmartypants Dec 5 #60
No and no underpants Dec 5 #62
Okay. ... littlemissmartypants Dec 5 #65
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 6 #79
It might not be the person who got screwed over but their arthritisR_US Dec 6 #81
Insurance companies a lot of times... Lovie777 Dec 5 #10
Invest in private security detail companies Prairie Gates Dec 5 #15
Pretty soon insurance execs will have motorcades and snipers on rooftops dalton99a Dec 5 #18
I saw Frank Figluzi (sp?), former FBI, on MSNBC yesterday 10 Turtle Day Dec 5 #44
"You know, the first question that you ask in any murder case, did the deceased deserve to die." Ray Bruns Dec 5 #16
Unless the inscriptions on those casings were meant to deceive, deflect, and disguise, surfered Dec 5 #17
Or a hitman ... krkaufman Dec 5 #42
They are starting to build the guillotines. Biophilic Dec 5 #21
There was a list posted on D.U. of the major companies who donated to Anal Fistula but not to Harris. 3Hotdogs Dec 5 #24
This was well planned Bristlecone Dec 5 #25
And, he would literally be off camera in most of Central Park obamanut2012 Dec 5 #27
Wouldn't the EBike track him? LisaM Dec 5 #77
Maybe not a rental or used a fake card of some kind. AllyCat Dec 5 #78
Did i miss a meeting? Omnipresent Dec 5 #26
This is more efficient. ChazInAz Dec 5 #34
Your right about that. Omnipresent Dec 5 #40
Bwhahahahaaaa! FirstLight Dec 5 #46
Post removed Post removed Dec 5 #28
You can only fuck around with someone's loved ones for so long gay texan Dec 5 #36
He was an inside trader, sucking money out of the company. Liberal In Texas Dec 5 #45
This isn't a health insurance company problem. It's a government problem SpankMe Dec 5 #30
Ha! theplayer Dec 5 #33
I didn't say it would be easy! n/t SpankMe Dec 5 #37
It would mean corporations would change "fiduciary duty"... rubbersole Dec 5 #53
We had our own reps slightlv Dec 5 #72
There are people here at DU who are more critical of Bernie and AOC malaise Dec 5 #61
We are living the Tale of Two Cities Mr.WeRP Dec 5 #41
The shooter Linda ladeewolf Dec 5 #43
The new DB Cooper folk hero. rubbersole Dec 5 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 6 #80
IIRC - DB Cooper hijacked a plane for ransom... rubbersole Dec 6 #82
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 6 #83
i think this is what they call a 'brass verdict'. mopinko Dec 5 #50
One more thing about the alleged bullet labeling SpankMe Dec 5 #54
That's one way to avoid state prison JoseBalow Dec 5 #68
The USA as a society is not that far from labeling some as "terrorists" PufPuf23 Dec 6 #84
Or there could be another motive dflprincess Dec 5 #55
Could even be a turf war between insiders or PufPuf23 Dec 6 #85
Depose makes me think lawsuit. CrispyQ Dec 5 #56
law and order theplayer Dec 5 #64
Oh there were definitely lawsuits.... SunSeeker Dec 5 #73
Almost like he's got no more f*cks to give ... it happens in desperation NotHardly Dec 5 #66
Almost like he's got no more f*cks to give ... it happens in desperation NotHardly Dec 5 #67
So, do the police think that it was Jay M. Feinman? Dan Dec 5 #70
K & R SunSeeker Dec 5 #71
I think cannabis_flower Dec 5 #76
Reactions, truth and evidence. Godot51 Dec 6 #86
He deserved it. Cne99999 Dec 6 #87
I hope that guy is in Bangladesh or Parkistan irisblue Dec 6 #88
"It'll be bloodless if The Left allows it."? czarjak Dec 6 #89
Bien fait! GoldenMezzoDiva Dec 6 #90

Bluetus

(294 posts)
5. Tragic that our system has come to this
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 08:48 AM
Dec 5

Where people feel like our corporate-run profit-driven healthcare system is so abusive that the only response can be violence.

Late stage capitalism. Dystopia.

Meanwhile we elected a President who thrives on chaos and dystopia.

soldierant

(8,003 posts)
74. Dr Louis Guillotin invented what came to be called the guillotine,
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 07:11 PM
Dec 5

and he did so because hanging and beheading (with an axe) took so long (using the axe multiple rimes because the first time didn't work was the rule, not the exception) and he wanted to come up with a more merciful (because faster) method of execution. He was appalled at the uses to which he saw it being used, particularly during the Reign of Terror, and bitterly regretted having invented it. And probably even more bitterly regretted that his name was all over it.

ramapo

(4,744 posts)
22. I'm surprised it took so long
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 09:30 AM
Dec 5

It came to this because for decades people have meekly accepted their fate. When Obama wanted to sort of fix this (not really since the problem was never fixed, just more people got the opportunity to experience it) he was (and still is) vilified for it.

Bluetus

(294 posts)
52. This is Bannon's wet dream
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 11:22 AM
Dec 5

Of the 400+ MILLION guns in circulation, there are far more in the hands of RWNJs than LWNJs. Bannon and his fellow Nazis welcome this civil war because they believe they can win it. Meanwhile we point to documents and ethics texts, as if those things mean anything to the Nazis.

And with all this happening, the media is 100% fixated, as always, on Hunter Biden.

Irish_Dem

(59,700 posts)
75. At least Americans are expressing righteous anger and are in agreement.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 07:15 PM
Dec 5

I thought most Americans had turned into sleepwalking zombies and could never agree about anything.

Maybe there is hope.

Rabrrrrrr

(58,371 posts)
57. ironically, maybe that's part of the plan - at least there he'll have healthcare.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 11:50 AM
Dec 5

Our system is so fucking broken.

liberalhistorian

(20,855 posts)
38. I live in Minnesota where UH is based.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 10:41 AM
Dec 5

It is a HORRIBLE company, even by for-profit insurance company standards. It's so bad that some of the state's medical institutions and hospitals have refused to renew their contracts with UH. UH executives, including, of course, the murdered CEO, have made millions off of the suffering of those denied needed and/or lifesaving care. I'm not dancing on his grave or rejoicing in his murder, but I will say that you reap what you sow and I'm not shedding any tears for him. For his wife and family, perhaps, but not him.

I'm tired of all of the endless boo hoo coverage, also. I want to see some stories of those who've died because of this horrific company and this greedy fucker of a CEO!

liberalhistorian

(20,855 posts)
39. I live in Minnesota, where UH is based.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 10:42 AM
Dec 5

It is a HORRIBLE company, even by for-profit insurance company standards. It's so bad that some of the state's medical institutions and hospitals have refused to renew their contracts with UH. UH executives, including, of course, the murdered CEO, have made millions off of the suffering of those denied needed and/or lifesaving care. I'm not dancing on his grave or rejoicing in his murder, but I will say that you reap what you sow and I'm not shedding any tears for him. For his wife and family, perhaps, but not him.

I'm tired of all of the endless boo hoo coverage, also. I want to see some stories of those who've died because of this horrific company and this greedy fucker of a CEO!

mopinko

(71,964 posts)
3. anyone care to wager on whether or not they catch this guy alive?
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 08:44 AM
Dec 5

i’m guessin a lot of powerful ppl dont want him to tell his story.

gab13by13

(25,405 posts)
8. I was thinking the same thing.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 08:52 AM
Dec 5

His story will never be told.

AI will still keep denying claims.

This is coming to Medicare. At 77 years old I’m lucky I got my new knee before AI denied my surgery.

Karasu

(368 posts)
69. AI has no fucking business deciding anything for anyone, least of all without any national legislation to regulate it.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 04:55 PM
Dec 5

This country is insane.

3Hotdogs

(13,562 posts)
23. Yeah. Sometimes they gets killed after they're captured and convicted.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 09:32 AM
Dec 5

I remember somethin' about some guy. I think his first name was Jeff. I don't remember how the rest of the story went.

BComplex

(9,154 posts)
47. I hope he posts his story before he takes his own life, if he does do that.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 11:09 AM
Dec 5

This story needs to be told.

LiberalArkie

(16,658 posts)
4. An insurance company should never deny a claim from a hitman.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 08:45 AM
Dec 5

They ought to be grateful that they did not deny a claim from a professional arsonist.

Midnight Writer

(23,131 posts)
6. This case should be easy to solve. Just make a list of all the people who got screwed over by UHC
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 08:48 AM
Dec 5

and single out the one who is angry about it.

Easy peazy.

BComplex

(9,154 posts)
63. OMG! Chaz! I'm so sorry!
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 12:21 PM
Dec 5
They've been killing people for a very long time, and until they change that, they can expect this kind of thing to happen. But it's also the republicans who have given them the votes to be able to do this.

littlemissmartypants

(25,904 posts)
65. Okay. ...
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 01:57 PM
Dec 5

I'll just put... reported as found on Facebook, creator unknown in the alt text box then. Thanks!

It's really funny. ❤️

Response to Midnight Writer (Reply #6)

Lovie777

(15,231 posts)
10. Insurance companies a lot of times...
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 09:03 AM
Dec 5

Decide life and death, or property damages, etc. and deny a whole lot because money “trumps”.

dalton99a

(84,881 posts)
18. Pretty soon insurance execs will have motorcades and snipers on rooftops
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 09:24 AM
Dec 5

paid for by premium increases


10 Turtle Day

(511 posts)
44. I saw Frank Figluzi (sp?), former FBI, on MSNBC yesterday
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 10:53 AM
Dec 5

And he said he had worked for a time as a private security detail for a healthcare CEO after retiring and he expressed shock that the victim didn’t have security accompanying him. Exactly because of all the denied healthcare.

Ray Bruns

(4,735 posts)
16. "You know, the first question that you ask in any murder case, did the deceased deserve to die."
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 09:18 AM
Dec 5

D. A. Arthur Branch

surfered

(3,732 posts)
17. Unless the inscriptions on those casings were meant to deceive, deflect, and disguise,
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 09:23 AM
Dec 5

…it appears from the video, the shooter was not seriously ill and may be a relative of the person he feels was wronged.

krkaufman

(13,759 posts)
42. Or a hitman ...
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 10:49 AM
Dec 5

… hired by his wife or a competitor. His job certainly offers a solid cover for those with alternative motives.

3Hotdogs

(13,562 posts)
24. There was a list posted on D.U. of the major companies who donated to Anal Fistula but not to Harris.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 09:38 AM
Dec 5

They probably could have saved time by just printing the list of the S & P 100.

Their bottom line is more important than our health and well-being and/or the defense of our nation and the integrity of our republic system of government..

Bristlecone

(10,520 posts)
25. This was well planned
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 09:45 AM
Dec 5

He knew this guy’s schedule while he was at an out of town conference, caught him on the street, alone, very early in the morning as he moved from one hotel to another venue across the street, had an e-bike waiting, up an adjacent alley/walkway, went straight to Central Park and disappeared.
A stop at Starbucks seems also part of the plan. They say he bought several items. No mention of coffee. Maybe a bottled water and something to eat that was portable as he knew he’d be moving for a while. Surely that backpack would hold those items, as well as a change of clothes.

obamanut2012

(27,884 posts)
27. And, he would literally be off camera in most of Central Park
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 09:59 AM
Dec 5

Especially in The Ramble. He could have hidden a change of clothes there, too, with a slighter bigger backpack he could put the grey on in. If he had a car parked on the edge of CP, that's it. He could be almost halfway across the country by now.

He knew what he was doing.

LisaM

(28,748 posts)
77. Wouldn't the EBike track him?
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 10:36 PM
Dec 5

As annoying as those things are, couldn't one at least be put to good use?

Omnipresent

(6,479 posts)
26. Did i miss a meeting?
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 09:50 AM
Dec 5

I thought we all agreed that the “Ivory tower elites”, were to be taken care of, at a later date, with guillotines.

Omnipresent

(6,479 posts)
40. Your right about that.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 10:44 AM
Dec 5

Guillotines are more ceremonial, with speeches and the suspense for those watching as well as receiving.

FirstLight

(14,308 posts)
46. Bwhahahahaaaa!
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 10:58 AM
Dec 5

This!

...ans there are many good replys on this thread, but this one literally got me giggling in my first cup of coffee!

Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

gay texan

(2,906 posts)
36. You can only fuck around with someone's loved ones for so long
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 10:31 AM
Dec 5

Before matters are solved by the victims hands. Knew this day was going to come

Liberal In Texas

(14,634 posts)
45. He was an inside trader, sucking money out of the company.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 10:55 AM
Dec 5

And under investigation for it.
I think the guy was scum.

Did he deserve getting gunned down?
I would rather have seen life in the pen, but these guys never pay in the legal system.

SpankMe

(3,314 posts)
30. This isn't a health insurance company problem. It's a government problem
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 10:23 AM
Dec 5

The "free market" where people get screwed and then retaliate by killing the CEO isn't the right correction mechanism for this issue. The government has to step up and regulate properly.

Instead of excusing the murderer by saying the CEO "got what he deserved", we should double down on fixing healthcare in this country. Obamacare was a great first step. We have to let Bernie and AOC go to the mat for us on universal health care, and support them. Hard.

rubbersole

(8,702 posts)
53. It would mean corporations would change "fiduciary duty"...
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 11:23 AM
Dec 5

...to include "fairness and straightforward honesty" in executives job descriptions instead of Gordon Gecko's "greed is good" mantra.

slightlv

(4,441 posts)
72. We had our own reps
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 06:51 PM
Dec 5

Kill it last time and throw the supporters out of the hearing.... When they'd been told already it was on the table. The PTB dont want that for us... Too much money thrown away on bad trash in their opinion. Look I was grateful for Obamacare, but they didn't even let us try for better.

malaise

(278,786 posts)
61. There are people here at DU who are more critical of Bernie and AOC
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 12:13 PM
Dec 5

Last edited Thu Dec 5, 2024, 04:45 PM - Edit history (1)

Than they’re of big Pharma, health insurance thieves or politicians who refuse to defend the majority of citizens.

Mr.WeRP

(661 posts)
41. We are living the Tale of Two Cities
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 10:44 AM
Dec 5
It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to Heaven, we were all going direct the other way—in short, the period was so far like the present period, that some of its noisiest authorities insisted on its being received, for good or for evil, in the superlative degree of comparison only.

Linda ladeewolf

(492 posts)
43. The shooter
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 10:53 AM
Dec 5

Seemed very professional. To me at least. Methodical. Guillotines don’t always have to be guillotines, do they?

rubbersole

(8,702 posts)
49. The new DB Cooper folk hero.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 11:13 AM
Dec 5

He'll get a clever moniker that sticks and providing he isn't caught - Robin Hood status amongst the great unwashed masses...

Response to rubbersole (Reply #49)

Response to rubbersole (Reply #82)

SpankMe

(3,314 posts)
54. One more thing about the alleged bullet labeling
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 11:32 AM
Dec 5

If it's true, then this crime pretty much falls under the definition of terrorism. This would change the approach law enforcement uses to access evidence and investigate the incident. It could also drive the involvement of federal authorities and give lawmakers an excuse to pass more laws that would hamstring even more speech and political activity.

Regardless of how we feel about health insurance companies, nothing good will come of this.

JoseBalow

(5,632 posts)
68. That's one way to avoid state prison
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 04:48 PM
Dec 5

If you include a Federal component, your crime(s) qualify you for Federal prison. If you're caught.

PufPuf23

(9,282 posts)
84. The USA as a society is not that far from labeling some as "terrorists"
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 01:57 AM
Dec 6

and then summary execution without rules, only self-righteousness.

dflprincess

(28,527 posts)
55. Or there could be another motive
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 11:38 AM
Dec 5

And this is just a way to deflect from it by pointing to what we all think is the most likely reason.

PufPuf23

(9,282 posts)
85. Could even be a turf war between insiders or
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 02:01 AM
Dec 6

insiders tossing one of their own for less transparency.

Don't expect much good will come out of this killing.

CrispyQ

(38,590 posts)
56. Depose makes me think lawsuit.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 11:49 AM
Dec 5

Aren't there real life cases where a person died while the family battled in court with insurance attorneys? I've seen it on TV & it's totally believable that it happens in RL, too.

 

theplayer

(27 posts)
64. law and order
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 01:34 PM
Dec 5

had an episode of a fucking claims adjuster being shot like this. turns out he denied "experimental" cancer treatment for the guy's daughter. JUSTICE. NOT GUILTY...defense of others!

SunSeeker

(54,062 posts)
73. Oh there were definitely lawsuits....
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 06:54 PM
Dec 5

Last November, the estates of two former UHC patients filed suit in Minnesota alleging that the insurer used an AI algorithm to deny and override claims to elderly patients that had been approved by their doctors.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219792092

NotHardly

(1,370 posts)
66. Almost like he's got no more f*cks to give ... it happens in desperation
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 04:30 PM
Dec 5
... It is as though he is unphased by his identification and ultimate apprehension. Think about that... he's dropped clues, there's a larger story brewing me thinks.

NotHardly

(1,370 posts)
67. Almost like he's got no more f*cks to give ... it happens in desperation
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 04:31 PM
Dec 5
... It is as though he is unphased by his identification and ultimate apprehension. Think about that... he's dropped clues, there's a larger story brewing me thinks.

Godot51

(311 posts)
86. Reactions, truth and evidence.
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 02:40 AM
Dec 6

When Shinzo Abe, the exPM of Japan, was assassinated in 2023, the public outrage, outcry, shock and disbelief in Japan was unprecedented.

Soon, however, evidence was shown that Abe was associated, mainly by receiving money donations, with the South Korean Unification church cult (Moonies to most Americans), and other Liberal Democratic Party conservatives were as well, along with many other politicians. This and other money scandals are still rocking Japan's government.

The assassin was a young man whose life had been virtual destroyed by his mother's contributions of the family's money to the cult. He, possibly mistakenly, blamed Abe and his policies for his family's plight.

Suddenly sympathies were turned or at least less outraged.

When a such a person is murdered many people realize the two side of justice. It is unfortunate that he was murdered but his own actions possibly set the killer into action. Accountability in the U.S. is becoming less and less for the rich and more and more for the poor.

Further such actions may occur. Will this lead to martial law and a police state we're already worried is coming with the trump crowd? Let's hope not.

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