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Xolodno

(6,760 posts)
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 04:21 PM Dec 5

Moderators Delete Reddit Thread as Doctors Torch Dead UnitedHealthcare CEO

https://www.yahoo.com/news/medical-subreddit-deletes-thread-unitedhealthcare-155829903.html

Doctors in one of the Internet’s top medical communities have turned on the murdered UnitedHealthcare (UHC) CEO Brian Thompson in such brutal fashion that Reddit moderators deleted a thread on the killing.

The moderators of r/medicine closed the thread, posted Wednesday after news broke that Thompson was shot dead outside the New York Hilton hotel in Midtown Manhattan, after it racked up over 500 replies.

The commenters overwhelmingly criticized—and satirized—the insurer’s alleged denial of coverage to sick and dying Americans in order to juice profits.

The top comment, which received hundreds of supporting upvotes from other users, mocked UHC’s notorious track record for refusing to pay out insurance claims and is written as a lengthy, spoof rejection letter from the company.


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This guy may have been one of the most hated people in the healthcare insurance industry. Not only did patients despise them, but the doctors as well.

My question is, where were the regulators? Who green lit their policies?

I was supposed to have a CT scan done on my back today, I used to be an avid hiker, now I can't even walk a quarter of a mile without it hurting and I can feel at times tenderness between two vertabrae. Company uses UHC, guess what they did yesterday? Last minute asked for more info from the doctor, so the usual "Delay" scam. Moved the appointment to next week, by then they should have the extra info. Company is dropping them like a bad habit this year and going to Blue Shield. Wonder, they had mentioned that they were having a "number of problems" with UHC. Wonder if I have to wait until January.
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Moderators Delete Reddit Thread as Doctors Torch Dead UnitedHealthcare CEO (Original Post) Xolodno Dec 5 OP
Kick dalton99a Dec 5 #1
"Discount Care Clinic" soandso Dec 5 #5
That is brilliant and like all great satire, achingly true. yardwork Dec 5 #6
UHC is one of the reasons the mental health delivery system was destroyed. Irish_Dem Dec 5 #7
That's the reddit post? That is brilliantly savage. Hekate Dec 5 #18
Killer Satire bikes and bunnies Dec 5 #35
We medical providers are sick of the health insurance scammers' shit. Aristus Dec 5 #2
I had my monthly appointment with a MH therapist today. yardwork Dec 5 #8
I worked in the mental health field for 40 years. UHC is truly evil. Irish_Dem Dec 5 #10
That's just... awful. yardwork Dec 5 #15
Perhaps a few thousand of us ought to begin showing up at investors meetings Magoo48 Dec 5 #40
Some days I spent more time on the phone with insurance companies than seeing patients. Irish_Dem Dec 5 #9
Are you a doctor?? The two most egregious things about insurance are lostnfound Dec 6 #41
Yes I was a clinician in the mental health field. Irish_Dem Dec 6 #44
My psychiatrist said she wished all of the bad ones Ilsa Dec 5 #26
Xolodno............. Upthevibe Dec 5 #3
They can be sent some scolds Prairie Gates Dec 5 #4
Lol!! XanaDUer2 Dec 5 #29
My question is, where were the regulators? malaise Dec 5 #11
The insurance lobby owns them dalton99a Dec 5 #12
Precisely malaise Dec 5 #13
And just like many regulated industries the industries write the freakin regulations and hand them to the regulators Cheezoholic Dec 5 #36
Corporations are the new monarchs malaise Dec 5 #38
+1 leftstreet Dec 5 #14
I work in the Property & Casualty Insurance Industry... Xolodno Dec 5 #39
My god, this has really exploded. Mike 03 Dec 5 #16
They're as intimately involved with UH's parasitic shenanigans as anyone. paleotn Dec 5 #22
If she has original Medicare with a supplement Demobrat Dec 5 #24
Have you come across the thread where someone said about the murdered CEO soldierant Dec 5 #28
We should all have the health coverage (free) that representatives, senators and "high" officials have. usonian Dec 5 #17
Delay it long enough take you into 2025 so you have to meet your deductible all over again LizBeth Dec 5 #19
LOL! I may not have a choice! Xolodno Dec 5 #32
Wow. I did not realize how despised UHC was ecstatic Dec 5 #20
I suspect that if this guy worked for BCBS or Demobrat Dec 5 #25
UHC does have the highest percentage of denied claims of all the big insurers, though Prairie Gates Dec 5 #27
Well be careful berksdem Dec 6 #45
Interesting that many doctors obviously Meowmee Dec 5 #21
now that he's gone PedroXimenez Dec 5 #23
Or get more security. Demobrat Dec 5 #30
So glad I was able to switch to original Medicare for 2025 Hassler Dec 5 #31
We went from a G plan to F. Emile Dec 5 #33
That's me. Missed F cutoff by 2 months Hassler Dec 5 #34
Reddit also deletes threads by pro-lifers that celebrate the murder or harming of Doctors who may hav perfomed abortion. Jacson6 Dec 5 #37
reddit is on fire over UHC story BlueWaveNeverEnd Dec 6 #42
butbutbut people are on waiting lines in canada. usa is so stupid. pansypoo53219 Dec 6 #43

dalton99a

(84,897 posts)
1. Kick
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 04:26 PM
Dec 5
Mountain_Fig_9253

1d ago


Thank you for choosing United Healthcare for your healthcare needs. After a careful review of the claim submitted for emergency services on December 4, 2024, we regret to inform you that your request for coverage has been denied.

Our denial is based on the following findings:

Lack of Prior Authorization:

Our records indicate that you failed to obtain prior authorization before seeking care for the gunshot wound to your chest. While we acknowledge the emergent nature of the situation, our policy requires that all non-preventative services, including “unexpected chest injuries,” be pre-approved through our 24/7 Prior Authorization Hotline. Unfortunately, our hotline received no such call during your ambulance transport or at any point before your admission to the emergency room.

2. Failure to Prove Medical Necessity:

The submitted documentation does not sufficiently demonstrate that treatment for a penetrating chest wound meets the definition of “medically necessary.” Our guidelines specify that life-threatening conditions must be substantiated with a second opinion from a network provider, preferably before care is rendered.

3. Alternative Options Not Explored:

Based on our retrospective analysis, alternative, more cost-effective treatment options—such as a virtual telehealth consult or at-home first aid—were not attempted prior to your emergency room visit. We understand that you were actively “bleeding out,” but this does not exempt you from exploring lower-cost care pathways.

4. Out-of-Network Care:

The emergency room where you received treatment is not within our network. While City General is geographically closer to the location of your shooting, our network partner, DiscountCare Clinic, is only 25 miles away and equipped with staplers and gauze for such injuries.

Next Steps: You may file an appeal within 30 days if you believe this decision is incorrect. Appeals must include:

A notarized letter from the attending physician, explaining why you thought you were entitled to not bleed to death while waiting for approval.

Evidence that your injuries were, in fact, serious enough to merit immediate attention, such as photos, videos, or live reenactments.

We encourage you to familiarize yourself with your plan benefits and utilize in-network providers for future incidents. Please do not hesitate to reach out to our customer support team if you have questions about this

Sincerely and in good health, United Healthcare

P.S. Remember: Preventative care is the best care! If you’d like, we can help you schedule your annual physical or connect you to a mindfulness seminar to prevent future traumatic injuries.


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Mountain_Fig_9253

1d ago


Thank you for your recent appeal regarding the denial of coverage for your emergency room visit on December 5, 2024. We have carefully reviewed the additional information you provided, including the attending physician’s notes, photographic evidence of your gunshot wound, and the security footage of the event.

After a thorough re-evaluation of your case, we regret to inform you that the original denial decision has been upheld. Our reasons for this decision are outlined below:

Insufficient Documentation Supporting Medical Necessity:

While we acknowledge the physician’s statement that your “life was in immediate danger,” we remain unconvinced that the treatment you received in the emergency room was the only appropriate course of action. Specifically, we find the decision to intubate and transfuse blood unnecessarily aggressive when other cost-effective options, such as applying firm pressure to the wound with a clean cloth, could have been attempted first.

2. Failure to Contact Prior Authorization Hotline: Your appeal asserts that you were “unable to call” due to being “unconscious” after sustaining the gunshot wound. While we empathize with your condition, we remind you that our Prior Authorization Hotline is available 24/7 and can be contacted by a friend, family member, or even a concerned bystander. The failure to delegate this responsibility during your medical emergency further substantiates our denial.

3. Out-of-Network Services: As stated previously, City General Emergency Department is not part of our network. While we understand that DiscountCare Clinic is 25 miles away and does not operate ambulances, the choice to seek care at a non-network facility remains inconsistent with your plan’s cost-saving guidelines. Our analysis indicates that driving oneself, despite injury, or calling a rideshare service might have provided a viable and more affordable alternative.

4. Policy Exclusions on Firearm-Related Injuries: Your plan explicitly excludes coverage for injuries resulting from “unapproved use of firearms.” As no evidence was provided to confirm the shooting was accidental or unavoidable, we are unable to overturn this aspect of the denial.

Next Steps: This decision is final. You may choose to escalate your appeal to the Independent Medical Review Board (IMRB) at your own expense. If the IMRB overturns our decision, you may be eligible for partial reimbursement minus a $5,000 “Claim Reconsideration Fee.”

We encourage you to consult our Member Handbook to better understand your plan benefits and avoid similar misunderstandings in the future. Should you find your current coverage unsatisfactory, we invite you to explore our new UNH UltraBasic plan, which offers even fewer benefits at an even lower premium.

Sincerely and in good health,

United Healthcare

P.S. Please note: Our appeals process is designed to promote proactive healthcare decision-making. While this unfortunate incident did not meet policy requirements, we commend your efforts to stay alive and wish you a speedy recovery.
 

soandso

(1,631 posts)
5. "Discount Care Clinic"
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 04:38 PM
Dec 5

lol

Dammit, that sounds like it was a good thread and I would like to have read it. I'm glad the docs are speaking loudly and hope they keep it up.

I wonder if this has some of these "health care" company people worried. I hope so. This cannot be the end of it because this shit has to stop. It's not just health care, either.

yardwork

(64,774 posts)
6. That is brilliant and like all great satire, achingly true.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 04:44 PM
Dec 5

I'm sorry to hear it was deleted. I guess UHC went after Reddit and threatened to sue.

Irish_Dem

(59,739 posts)
7. UHC is one of the reasons the mental health delivery system was destroyed.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 04:45 PM
Dec 5

UHC refused to pay legitimate claims what were even state mandated services.

Many providers went out of business and today there is a shortage of those who provide psych services.

Aristus

(68,641 posts)
2. We medical providers are sick of the health insurance scammers' shit.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 04:28 PM
Dec 5

I spend more time on the phone with claim deniers than I spend on the phone with my wife. And we call each other three or four times a day.

I’m not advocating for any specific ways of sending them all to Hell, but I hope they all end up rotting there.

yardwork

(64,774 posts)
8. I had my monthly appointment with a MH therapist today.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 04:47 PM
Dec 5

She's the kindest, sweetest person. When I mentioned this shooting she paused and said that she had struggled with her immediate response to hearing about it. She said to me that UHC was an evil company. I've never heard her talk that way.

I know United went after a lot of MH providers and patients.

Irish_Dem

(59,739 posts)
10. I worked in the mental health field for 40 years. UHC is truly evil.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 04:49 PM
Dec 5

Words cannot describe how evil they are.

yardwork

(64,774 posts)
15. That's just... awful.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 05:06 PM
Dec 5

It makes me wonder how many desperate people voted for Trump or don't vote at all because the system is so broken.

Something's got to give.

Magoo48

(5,542 posts)
40. Perhaps a few thousand of us ought to begin showing up at investors meetings
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 07:28 PM
Dec 5

in our areas.

Irish_Dem

(59,739 posts)
9. Some days I spent more time on the phone with insurance companies than seeing patients.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 04:47 PM
Dec 5

I had to designate one and half days a week to fighting insurance companies who would
not pay for services they had authorized and agreed to pay for.

lostnfound

(16,717 posts)
41. Are you a doctor?? The two most egregious things about insurance are
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 02:29 AM
Dec 6

1) that they rob the time and quality of life away from loved ones in the final battle. and
2) that they steal so much time away from such valuable members of society, our doctors.

It’s insane that they can tie up the time of doctors for even 5 minutes per week, let alone days per week. How dare they. Society needs these doctors for doing what they spend a decade of their lives to learn.

And I’ve seen so many people with terminal illnesses keep working until the end, because you’ve got to keep insurance, even while their lives were slipping away and even then still fighting with insurance.

Irish_Dem

(59,739 posts)
44. Yes I was a clinician in the mental health field.
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 10:17 AM
Dec 6

I watched UHC destroy the mental health field.

Refusing to pay psychologists and psychiatrists for work they had done.
With written authorization and agreement to pay before the services were rendered.
But then refusal to pay for no reason.

Put a lot of providers out of business which was the goal.
Now there is a shortage of mental health providers.

Right, years of training, highly educated, decades of experience and I was
spending a great deal of my time arguing with high school educated "case managers."
When I had written authorization and guarantee of payment from UHC before I rendered services
to UHC covered patients.


Ilsa

(62,283 posts)
26. My psychiatrist said she wished all of the bad ones
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 06:36 PM
Dec 5

required large bore urinary catheters for the rest of their lives.

Upthevibe

(9,251 posts)
3. Xolodno.............
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 04:32 PM
Dec 5

I read on one of the Reddit threads a letter that a Dr. had sent UHC expressing outrage because they had denied a child with Cancer their nausea medication

malaise

(278,812 posts)
11. My question is, where were the regulators?
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 04:49 PM
Dec 5

Pssssst!
Deregulation is one of the pillars of neo-liberalism. Markets rule. Eff society.

Do I need a sarcasm thingy?

Cheezoholic

(2,647 posts)
36. And just like many regulated industries the industries write the freakin regulations and hand them to the regulators
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 07:06 PM
Dec 5

who present what regulated corporations wrote to Congress to be passed as self regulated law. Our entire regulatory system is insane and broken and has been for half a century. Its sickening.

Xolodno

(6,760 posts)
39. I work in the Property & Casualty Insurance Industry...
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 07:23 PM
Dec 5

...done just about all of it, Operations, Actuarial, Product-Pricing, Distribution, Product Development and now Analytics.

That industry is regulated by every state you do business in and they all have different laws. But the work is the same, you can't so much as fart without a regulator asking why it happened.

And then there are of course the Market Conduct Exams, someone complains to the DOI and they think its legit, they send it over to us with a very short deadline to explain ourselves. Everyone drops everything they are doing to answer it, deadlines on projects get pushed back, etc.

Should the DOI decide we are in the wrong, pay the claim and get fined. Of course our profit margins are nowhere near that of health insurance companies, and there are years when we do lose money, we can weather it because the years we do have a profit, we shove a nice chunk into our reserves for later. It doesn't go to shareholders or exec's bonuses.

Amazes me what health insurers can get away with, try that in this industry, you could go to jail and be permanently banned from ever entering it again.

Mike 03

(17,379 posts)
16. My god, this has really exploded.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 05:13 PM
Dec 5

It seems like a significant development that physicians are speaking out as well.

My mother has Medicare but she has some sort of gap health insurance provider which turns out to be UnitedHealth. She told me she had not had any issues, but I think that is because she is on Medicare. I would be scared to death to have UnitedHealth. I do need health insurance and I need to do some research because I definitely don't want one of the companies that has a high rejection rate and/or uses AI.

This story, and the reaction across the boards, really has me captivated.

paleotn

(19,532 posts)
22. They're as intimately involved with UH's parasitic shenanigans as anyone.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 06:25 PM
Dec 5

The amount of time and money wasted on that industry of parasites is mind boggling. And we do this shit to ourselves! As I said in a post some days ago, my European colleges think we're out of our fucking minds. They've told me, if anyone on earth can afford a civilized healthcare system, it's us. I do not disagree.

Demobrat

(9,950 posts)
24. If she has original Medicare with a supplement
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 06:32 PM
Dec 5

she can’t be turned down. It’s the Medicare advantage people who get hosed. Those low premiums and free gym memberships come at a high price.

soldierant

(8,008 posts)
28. Have you come across the thread where someone said about the murdered CEO
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 06:39 PM
Dec 5

"Sorry, but my thoughts and prayers are out of network"?

Wonkette has a list af maybe 7 or 8 quotes from it but says there are many more.

usonian

(14,636 posts)
17. We should all have the health coverage (free) that representatives, senators and "high" officials have.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 05:23 PM
Dec 5

Speaking of high, just not Junior's daily cocaine dose.

Xolodno

(6,760 posts)
32. LOL! I may not have a choice!
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 06:54 PM
Dec 5

If they keep playing these games, it will go into 2025 and that's not too far away. I know there is something wrong, could be the tissue between the vertebrae or badly pinched nerve(s). There are ways to fix it now, taking pain pills should not be the only option. Particulary they don't stop all of the pain on me anymore. And serious flare ups are starting to get a bit more frequent, used to be one every few years, now its least once a year.

Chiropractor helps somewhat for about a week, combined with a serious deep tissue massage (which isn't covered), could strech it out almost for a month.

Thanks dad. Draging me out of bed to help out with hard labor in your construction company didn't do me any favors. Didn't even get paid.

ecstatic

(34,519 posts)
20. Wow. I did not realize how despised UHC was
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 05:58 PM
Dec 5

My employer is a provider in their network and we have never had any issues with payment (knock on wood). Earlier this year our organization received a nice offer and lower rates to switch to UHC from Anthem BCBS, but around that time, one of their products, Change Healthcare, was still down after being hacked. I was disgusted with the way that incident was handled and didn't necessarily want to deepen our ties to them in that way. Anthem is expensive but I've never felt played or swindled by them.

Adding context: It could be that we've never had an issue because the service we provide under them is backed by the VA/Federal Government. I don't know.

Prairie Gates

(3,571 posts)
27. UHC does have the highest percentage of denied claims of all the big insurers, though
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 06:37 PM
Dec 5

You're probably right, but they are objectively the worst of the worst.

berksdem

(724 posts)
45. Well be careful
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 02:57 PM
Dec 6

b/c Anthem/Elevance are all aboard the AI Train. It is only a matter of time until AI is used for patient auths. I work for them and they are just as bad to be frank.

Meowmee

(6,127 posts)
21. Interesting that many doctors obviously
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 06:03 PM
Dec 5

Did not like uhc and him etc. I hope you get your mri.

Reddit is awful every time I go there to post something practically, which is almost never, it gets deleted for no reason by some crazy moderators. often AI moderators too. I think my father had that for his supplementary. I don’t really remember now, but I remember them denying a drug that he needed which was not approved and the doctor told me that he had been on the phone with them for hours and hours and they still denied it. So what I did was, I bought it out of pocket using a coupon from GoodRx. In the end, it didn’t work for him so I did not buy it again. There were a lot of drugs that were denied during that period I think when he was very ill. Actually, it might’ve been Medicare that denied it. They deny a lot of things too.

PedroXimenez

(630 posts)
23. now that he's gone
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 06:31 PM
Dec 5

who is the most hated person in that industry? Whoever they are maybe they are thinking of ways to get less hated?

Hassler

(3,783 posts)
31. So glad I was able to switch to original Medicare for 2025
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 06:51 PM
Dec 5

And dump my UHC Medicare Advantage plan. I don't yet have any serious existing condition, and wanted to switch before I do.

Emile

(30,808 posts)
33. We went from a G plan to F.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 06:57 PM
Dec 5

New people getting on Medicare are not allowed to get the better F plan.

Jacson6

(844 posts)
37. Reddit also deletes threads by pro-lifers that celebrate the murder or harming of Doctors who may hav perfomed abortion.
Thu Dec 5, 2024, 07:08 PM
Dec 5

This kind of killing is okay as long as it is someone I disagree with is wrong. PERIOD!

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