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Ndp5

(100 posts)
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 12:53 AM Dec 6

The Atlantic on Democratic rebuilding & realignment

I spent the years after the financial crisis reporting in parts of the country that were being ravaged by the Great Recession and the long decline that had preceded it, and were growing hostile toward the country’s first Black president. Three things recurred everywhere I went: a conviction that the political and economic game was rigged for the benefit of distant elites; a sense that the middle class had disappeared; and the absence of any institutions that might have provided help, including the Democratic Party. It was hard to miss the broken landscape that lay open for Trump, but the establishments of both parties didn’t see it, and neither did most of the media, which had lost touch with the working class. The morning after Trump’s shocking victory in 2016, a colleague approached me angrily and said, “Those were your people, and you empowered them by making other people feel sorry for them—and it was wrong!”

In some ways, the Biden administration and the Harris campaign tried to reorient the Democratic Party back toward the working class, which was once its backbone. Biden pursued policies and passed legislation to create jobs that don’t require a college degree in communities that have been left behind. Harris studiously avoided campaigning on her identity as a Black and South Asian woman, appealing instead to a vague sense of patriotism and hope. But Biden’s industrial policy didn’t produce results fast enough to offset the damage of inflation—no one I talked with in Maricopa County, Arizona, or Washington County, Pennsylvania, this year seemed to have heard of the Inflation Reduction Act. Harris remained something of a cipher because of Biden’s stubborn refusal to step aside until it was too late for her or anyone else to make their case to Democratic voters. The party’s economic policies turned populist, but its structure—unlike the Republican Party’s mass cult of personality—appeared to be a glittering shell of power brokers and celebrities around a hollow core. Rebuilding will be the work of years, and realignment could take decades. …

The Trump Reaction will test opponents with a difficult balancing act, one that recalls F. Scott Fitzgerald’s famous line about a first-rate intelligence holding two opposed ideas in mind while still being able to function. The Democratic Party has to undertake the necessary self-scrutiny that starts with the errors of Biden, Harris, and their inner circle, but that extends to the party’s long drift away from the most pressing concerns of ordinary Americans, toward the eccentric obsessions of its donors and activists. But this examination can’t end in paralysis, because at the same time, the opposition will have to act. Much of this action will involve civil society and the private sector along with surviving government institutions—to prevent by legal means the mass internment and deportation of migrants from communities in which they’ve been peacefully living for years; to save women whose lives are threatened by laws that would punish them for trying to save themselves; to protect the public health from Robert F. Kennedy Jr., the nation’s security from Tulsi Gabbard, and its coffers from Elon Musk. …

On Election Night, in a state carried by Trump, Deluzio outperformed Harris in his district, especially in the reddest areas, and won comfortably. What does this prove? Only that politics is best when it’s face-to-face and based on respect, that most people are complicated and even persuadable, and that—in the next line from the Fitzgerald quote—one can “see that things are hopeless and yet be determined to make them otherwise.”


https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/the-end-of-democratic-delusions/ar-AA1v7flN
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Ndp5

(100 posts)
2. Should it have been close?
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 01:00 AM
Dec 6

Look at the choices. A convicted rapist and felon raised in the lap of luxury whose only first term achievements were a tax cut for the rich and setting up the overturn of Roe v. Wade. Or a charismatic career public servant raised by a single mother, vowing to help the working and middle classes.

Close or not, Democrats lost to option number one. That in itself is damning.

Ndp5

(100 posts)
9. Depends on perspective
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 01:45 PM
Dec 6

I think some would say it’s damning of American voters. But this piece is arguing that it’s ultimately damning of Democratic Party elites, since it’s the party’s job to persuade voters to support its candidates.

Yavin4

(36,739 posts)
7. You're kidding yourself.
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 12:32 PM
Dec 6

Look at the total map of the US. Dems lost ground in states that they did not campaign in. Dem senate candidates are no longer competitive in red states. See Sherrod Brown. See Jon Tester.

Ndp5

(100 posts)
12. What is your argument exactly?
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 02:01 PM
Dec 6

That Democrats should give up on the Midwest because of the results of one election?

See the following. It makes the connection the Atlantic piece suggests anecdotally. People in the center of the country feel left behind and cynical about establishment politicians.

Trump and his clown parade will not help these people. So there is an opening for Democrats who engage on the ground and pursue economically populist policies. But first Democrats have to face the failures of neoliberalism and hands-off policies toward tech plutocrats.

https://www.burningglassinstitute.org/bginsights/midwest-vicious-cycle-nd29p

“The Midwest finds itself amid a vicious cycle of economic, demographic and educational decline that is reshaping its societal and political landscape. Historically a manufacturing stronghold, the region has suffered significant job and population losses, and economic stagnation. At the same time, the Midwest is barely benefiting from the rise of tech and consulting, that are boosting growth in other parts of the country.

Amidst these challenges, there has been a notable political shift, with the Midwest increasingly gravitating towards the Republican Party.“

JHB

(37,497 posts)
4. Another "analysis" that only barely touches on media's role in shaping perceptions...
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 12:25 PM
Dec 6

...and mostly reserves the term for legacy mainstream media, and only referring to "media platforms of billionaires" in the context of Twitter, not the 30-40 years of dedicated conservative/RW radio, tv, and cable dedicated to blaming Democrats for everything and softballing RWers. Musk is named, but Murdoch is not. Sinclair is not. Nor are "religious" media that have been pumping conspiracies and talking about Democrats as agents of the Devil for decades. It's so pervasive it's practically background radiation.

Does it have an effect on what's perceived as "normal" and "reasonable"? On what "everybody knows"? Hell yes it does.

But naaahhhh, it's all about Democrats being "elitist", not a 24/7/365 drumbeat to drown out anything but "Democrats are elitist."

Ndp5

(100 posts)
16. The full article hints at this
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 02:17 PM
Dec 6

But you’re right, he fails to make the connection explicit. He charts the start of the Trump Reaction to the aftermath of the financial crisis, which — if you look at a study that was recently posted on DU — coincides with Fox News’ sudden ascent to national influence. (The network was founded in the 90s but did not gain much of a foothold with the American public until about 2009.)

Another weak point of the article, imo, is that it dismisses local news as a lost cause. It cannot be if we are to preserve self-government.

It’s true, there is a bias in the piece toward overestimating the importance of a small group of elite national outlets and Musk. But the right-wing media you mention have been around for awhile, so the question is, when and why did they suddenly gain so much traction?

To me, the answer is: when parts of the country really hollowed out, and when local news outlets began dying off.

JHB

(37,497 posts)
19. I'll add to that the fact that it didn't change "suddenly", it was a steady ratcheting up
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 04:39 PM
Dec 6

Each increment makes what was previously an outlier the new norm, and the different media types create a self-reinforcing cycle. The next step, which before had been too big to swallow, has been turned into a convenient bite-size, the giant leap becomes the small step.

And each step makes the next step easier, with a few events such as the 2008 crisis, allowing big leaps of consolidation. Trump 2016 wouldn't have been possible without the "anybody but Mitt" clown car of 2012, and Mitt's grudging, shrunken-figleaf "compliance" with calls to see his tax returns.

Drum

(9,966 posts)
5. At the latest Democratic Convention, Bill Clinton urged "us" to meet people where they are, to really listen...
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 12:29 PM
Dec 6

That advice, I imagine, goes for the entire team of us.

We as citizens might be a bit less judgmental, and also communicative with our elected representatives about not just what we personally go through but what we encounter in our communities. Not just scoff at other citizens’ opinions or differences or huddle in our silos, but act as eyes-on agents and reporters of community health. A sort of “trickle up” effect, if you will.

Our elected representatives (all of them,) should use that valuable ground game and, in my opinion, work toward solutions which aren’t only tied to the nine months running up to elections, and which don’t only feed particular factions. This might even involve acts of bipartisanship, and occasionally unpopular votes on bills, or unforeseen alliances. People on the ideological edges will no doubt squawk, but regaining power and exercising it responsibly is a matter doing the most for the most people, right?

If the Democratic Party can instill such a trust, we might just have a shot.

Blue_Tires

(57,244 posts)
13. Fuck bipartisanship and unholy alliances
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 02:02 PM
Dec 6

I've seen that story play out too many times and Dems always wind up with the short end of the stick

Blue_Tires

(57,244 posts)
18. The rules prohibit me from saying what I really think...
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 02:22 PM
Dec 6

Which is probably a good thing.

Yavin4

(36,739 posts)
8. The Democrats have to do the hard, brutal work of rebuilding political coalitions.
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 12:33 PM
Dec 6

Instead of relying on campaign donations and 30 second ads, they need to build up their party apparatus precinct by precinct.

Yavin4

(36,739 posts)
14. Writing off states deemed unwinnable.
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 02:03 PM
Dec 6

Focusing too mush on fundraising and not enough on building state Democratic parties.
Not doing nearly enough reaching out.
Pursuing a strategy of trying to peel off Republican voters instead of building your own base.

Blue_Tires

(57,244 posts)
17. Maybe that's your state
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 02:20 PM
Dec 6

I don't really see it here...

And I agree with you, but it's strictly up to party members on a county/regional/local level to do all the grassroots base-building, not Kamala.

Blue_Tires

(57,244 posts)
10. Fuck that bullshit...
Fri Dec 6, 2024, 01:59 PM
Dec 6

Republicans can't even tell the difference between reality and disinfo anymore, yet we're the ones supposedly suffering from delusions? Why is our party the one that always needs wholesale changes and "realignment"?

But this part takes the cake:

"On Election Night, in a state carried by Trump, Deluzio outperformed Harris in his district, especially in the reddest areas, and won comfortably. What does this prove?"

MOTHERFUCKER IT PROVES THAT WHITE FOLKS DIDN'T WANT TO SUPPORT A BLACK WOMAN!! WHY ARE SO MANY PUNDITS AND HOT TAKE MERCHANTS INTENTIONALLY MISSING THE GODDAMN POINT?! SICK OF THIS SHIT!

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