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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsInsurance companies did quite well this year. Here is their report thru 3rd quarter 2024.
For number crunching folks who can make sense of it all.
Still making BIllions off the backs of the sick.
U.S. Health Insurance Industry Analysis Report
HEALTH INDUSTRY OVERVIEW
Table 1 below provides a 5-year quarterly snapshot of the U.S. Health
insurance industrys aggregate financial results for health entities who file
with the NAIC on the health quarterly statement blank. The health
insurance industry reported an underwriting gain of over $12 billion, a 31%
decline from approximately $18 billion for the same period a year earlier.
Similarly, net income decreased 14% to approximately $16 billion for the
first six months of 2024 compared to the same period in the prior year. The
industrys profit margin decreased moderately to 2.7% from 3.3%, while the
combined ratio increased by a moderate 110 basis-points.
Notable items as compared to second quarter 2023 include the following:
Hospital & medical expenses increased 7% ($35 billion)
Net earned premium increased 5% ($29 billion)
Administrative expenses increased 2% ($2 billion)
Enrollment decreased 3% (9 million)
Cash flow from operations dropped 86% to $9 billion from $67 billion
Capital and surplus increased 4% ($9 billion) to over $224 billion from $215 billion at December 31, 2023
Much MUCH more at link
.9 pages
https://content.naic.org/sites/default/files/health-2024mid-year-industry-report.pdf
leftstreet
(38,875 posts)LizBeth
(11,222 posts)flying_wahini
(8,248 posts)No surprise though.
Silent Type
(12,412 posts)real estate, information services, entertainment, computer services, transportation, etc.
Xolodno
(7,315 posts)You can increase your Expense Ratio by giving bonuses, higher pay, etc. to Exec's. Hell, why not even add on a private jet, luxurious company cars, etc. You still hit the target 3% for the company, but the CEO, CFO, COO, etc. make out like bandits.
Silent Type
(12,412 posts)dollars it still wouldnt change profit percentage that much.
Xolodno
(7,315 posts)Sure the profit is built in. But what goes in expenses such as obscene salaries, bonuses, shareholder dividends, etc. could go into care of the patient and that WILL have an impact. I should know, I work in the insurance industry and no, I'm not stapling papers together, I've worked in Actuarial, Product on the Pricing side, Distribution and a few other areas.
Now if you want to still argue otherwise, by all means, but it doesn't mean your right. I have enough professional letters behind me to make me confident.
Silent Type
(12,412 posts)have $2 or $3 maybe $5 more dollars for each person annually. Id rather have them cutting better deals with hospitals, doctors, monitoring quality, etc.
Until the government gets off its ass and enacts a rational healthcare system, we are stuck with what we have.
Ive worked/consulted with Medicaid, Medicare, providers, even recommended Georgia go to Medicare/caid for all in 1982. Had to run for my life after the Committee as they called me a socialist.
I worked against insurance companies trying to screw providers too, and handled numerous appeals for denials. If youve got the standards of care on your side, its relatively easy overturning denials with a little additional info not on a claim form. Now, if its a patient/doctor who wants to get facial Botox injections covered under the guise of treating headaches, thats a bit tougher and not my thing.
With your background, Im sure you know doctors and other providers do cheat billing, some a lot, some staying under the radar.
Xolodno
(7,315 posts)You want to defend exec's making more than they should, be my guest. Doctors cheat? Sure, but its not widespread like you're making it out to be. Do insurance companies screw over policy holders? In the Health Ins. they sure do. At P&C carriers, we're so highly regulated if we did what Health Ins. Co's did, people would end up in jail.
We're done here.
Silent Type
(12,412 posts)Oh I thought you worked for a healthcare insurer. P&C is totally different.
Xolodno
(7,315 posts)...Keep defending the filthy rich and ignore everything else. Blame the little guy...
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Silent Type
(12,412 posts)jalan48
(14,914 posts)RANDYWILDMAN
(3,130 posts)a month, bet the services I am allowed to receive went down at least 10%
The only way they can make money is starve the beast
a kennedy
(35,343 posts)what really happened to helping the sick??? Love of helping the ill??? FAWKING money
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Ollie Garkie
(340 posts)Has about the same profit margin as most but with a higher denial rate. Dumbfucks. Even the all important shareholders didn't benefit much from their evil fuckery.