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In It to Win It

(9,724 posts)
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 04:57 PM Wednesday

Idaho Argues Pregnant Women Facing Amputations from Septic Shock Can't Get Emergency Abortions

https://www.jezebel.com/idaho-argues-pregnant-women-facing-amputations-from-septic-shock-cant-get-emergency-abortions


The question of whether states can ban abortions when women’s health is in danger is unfortunately not a settled one. Recall that, in June, the Supreme Court said it shouldn’t have taken a case about Idaho’s abortion ban potentially conflicting with a federal law. Instead, the justices punted the case back to an appeals court, which heard arguments on Tuesday. The hearing was a bleak spectacle underscoring how the incoming Trump administration will torture women and pregnant people, including letting them have limbs amputated before they can have an abortion.

The case, Moyle v. United States, began in 2022 when the Biden administration sued Idaho arguing that its abortion ban, which lacks a health exception, violated the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act. EMTALA is a federal law that requires emergency rooms to provide stabilizing care to patients, including abortion. After the Dobbs decision that overturned Roe v. Wade, the Biden administration sent out guidance, reminding ERs that they have to offer abortion if a pregnant patient’s life or health is threatened. Idaho disagreed, saying it has a right to regulate the practice of medicine and would only offer abortions if necessary to prevent death.

The Supreme Court heard arguments in April, then said in June that Idaho doctors can provide emergency abortions without fear of prosecution while the case continued in lower courts. Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson wrote in concurrence that the ruling was no cause for celebration. “Today’s decision is not a victory for pregnant patients in Idaho. It is delay,” she said. “But storm clouds loom ahead. Three Justices suggest, at least in this context, that States have free rein to nullify federal law.”

The court’s move ensured the case would be decided after the election, and that stories of pregnant women being airlifted to other states would stay out of the news. Donald Trump’s administration is expected to rescind Biden’s EMTALA guidance and drop the lawsuit against Idaho.
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Idaho Argues Pregnant Women Facing Amputations from Septic Shock Can't Get Emergency Abortions (Original Post) In It to Win It Wednesday OP
Torture, mutilate, kill women. Irish_Dem Wednesday #1
I guess cruelty really is the point? Bastards! Jit423 Thursday #34
Yes and to teach women a lesson. Irish_Dem Thursday #35
Sickening ProfessorGAC Wednesday #2
... Solly Mack Wednesday #3
What would happen if this type of medical care was provided on land owned by native americans? nt in2herbs Wednesday #4
That is truly an excellent question. LauraInLA Wednesday #13
This article is from 2022 but is very eye-opening. For example, I did not know the Hyde Amendment LauraInLA Wednesday #16
In proposed this idea to Planned Parenthood at the beginning of 45's first term and their answer, in2herbs Wednesday #18
Idaho... 2naSalit Wednesday #5
Are Idahoans suffering from deep insanity? Must be. Clouds Passing Wednesday #6
I think the whole nation is. ananda Wednesday #8
Not all of us. Clouds Passing Wednesday #20
Mass insanity is already here, and that's because... ananda Wednesday #21
I wasn't trying to talk you down, ananda Clouds Passing Wednesday #22
I do appreciate your pov, and I've thought about it often over the years. ananda Wednesday #24
The appearance of humanity at this point looks as if we are expanding greed, war, hate Clouds Passing Thursday #28
Well, I see humans as a teeny, minor part of the vaster transformations. ananda Thursday #31
Overpopulation is why the rich have embarked on a global Clouds Passing Thursday #32
Agree. Also, I have this image of the rich... ananda Thursday #33
Govt. by republicans. republianmushroom Wednesday #7
Idaho appears to be... GiqueCee Wednesday #9
I had the answer to that question 60 years ago. AZ8theist Wednesday #17
Men whose prostate is cancerous, PoindexterOglethorpe Wednesday #10
If United Health is their insurer, it likely will. Prof. Toru Tanaka Wednesday #12
Deny treatment until the only option is amputation of some very important part, maybe Hekate Wednesday #15
Surprised? I'm not. paleotn Wednesday #11
I just..... BeerBarrelPolka Wednesday #14
The point has always been cruelty. Javaman Wednesday #19
Barbarism. Passages Wednesday #23
they would NEVER do this to a MALE. pansypoo53219 Thursday #25
stupid...people...voting...has...consequences. nt yaesu Thursday #26
STFU Idaho government IzzaNuDay Thursday #27
It's really hard to believe that people voted for this ecstatic Thursday #29
He hates us and wants us to die if we don't easily produce the slaves he wants so badly. lark Thursday #30
Why aren't there suits about these cases etc? Meowmee Thursday #36

Irish_Dem

(59,156 posts)
1. Torture, mutilate, kill women.
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 05:10 PM
Wednesday

Legal First Degree Murder

Planning, intent, premeditation.

21st century version of the Salem Witch Trials.

Irish_Dem

(59,156 posts)
35. Yes and to teach women a lesson.
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 04:26 PM
Thursday

About their place in life.
Who has the power and who doesn't.

in2herbs

(3,196 posts)
4. What would happen if this type of medical care was provided on land owned by native americans? nt
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 05:26 PM
Wednesday

LauraInLA

(1,354 posts)
16. This article is from 2022 but is very eye-opening. For example, I did not know the Hyde Amendment
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 06:46 PM
Wednesday

applied to Native American healthcare on reservations. Be sure to read it all.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/26/us/tribal-lands-abortion-safe-havens-roe-cec/index.html

in2herbs

(3,196 posts)
18. In proposed this idea to Planned Parenthood at the beginning of 45's first term and their answer,
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 07:19 PM
Wednesday

not an answer from the NA community, was no.

ananda

(30,904 posts)
8. I think the whole nation is.
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 06:38 PM
Wednesday

This is the true collapse of the American psyche
as a whole and the society as a result.

Clouds Passing

(2,622 posts)
20. Not all of us.
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 07:34 PM
Wednesday

To many, the collapse of society causing mass insanity steels our resolve to greater awareness, sanity and higher consciousness. Be the calm in the eye of the storm.

ananda

(30,904 posts)
21. Mass insanity is already here, and that's because...
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 07:52 PM
Wednesday

our collective unconscious is baked in the idea
of mechanism instead of holism, and it means
that we, and I mean all of us, are basically
living in a world of chaos and dissolution.

Quantum physics has predicted this, and I
think it's accurate.

Turning to fascism is the result of trying to
find a way to get it under control. It never
works.

Einstein said that insanity is trying the same
thing over and over to get the result you do
not want.

That is where we are now.

It would take a total metaphysical change of
consciousness and our way of dealing with the
world to try to start to make things right.

But I have the feeling that it's too late now
because of climate change.

You can still try to talk me down, but this is
exactly what I would have expected based
on what I've learned over the years

Clouds Passing

(2,622 posts)
22. I wasn't trying to talk you down, ananda
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 08:14 PM
Wednesday

I was trying to relate the point that many (or some) of us are in the processes of the metaphysical changes of consciousness. Bringing compassion and love for ourselves and all life as a way of being is occurring now. We are moving towards a realm of higher consciousness by becoming aware of and changing the old patterns which are no longer serving anyone or thing. Peace, compassion and love as a lifestyle is attainable.

May I become able to end all suffering. Dalai Lama. I second that.

ananda

(30,904 posts)
24. I do appreciate your pov, and I've thought about it often over the years.
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 08:44 PM
Wednesday

My main question is: why is higher consciousness completely
ineffective at changing the world for the better.

It's all very nice, and I like the idea of it greatly... but I get
the feeling that it also means comiing to accept that the human
form of energy is coming to an end.

What it will transform to is another question, and I would love
to hear some ideas.

Thanks.

Clouds Passing

(2,622 posts)
28. The appearance of humanity at this point looks as if we are expanding greed, war, hate
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 09:48 AM
Thursday

and complete lack of responsibility to the environment we live in out into space. They are beginning to alter our brains unnaturally to enhance “intelligence” through AI. I suspect it is to have total dominance over others, that’s the way the rich roll.

Or we can wake up to the higher energies of love, compassion, empathy, sympathy, wisdom, insight, generosity which many of us already have some of all of these qualities. Then we will evolve to a peaceful people.

I suspect we are already splitting as the human race into one of these ways of being. Some will become more violent, some will become more peaceful. We already are somewhat split into these camps. Whether the violent will continue to control the peaceful will depend on how resistant the peaceful will become to oppression by the violent.

Higher consciousness has not changed this world because enough people have not attained it sufficiently to cause a shift. The rich know this, it is why they work so hard to dumb us down, to keep us financially enslaved so we don’t have time and energy to ponder these things. They fear the shift into higher consciousness because they will lose everything they have built out of sand on the shoreline. False ego is a huge motivator.

There is a huge energetic shift happening in the universe and on earth right now. Energies of radical transformation are already here. Where we put our thoughts is where the transformation will be materialized. So if you want a world of higher consciousness, keep your thoughts there.

Peace, Clouds Passing 🌤️

ananda

(30,904 posts)
31. Well, I see humans as a teeny, minor part of the vaster transformations.
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 01:58 PM
Thursday

IMO, we are a failed species failed for being too successful,
which iIs pretty ironic.

I appreciate the need for higher consciousness, but it's not
going to happen here on earth right now.

The scientists who wrote about the way over population
works on a group were correct, in my view. It causes
chaos and dysfunction and this cannot be corrected as
long as the population remains large enough.

Also, treating the world and all its beings as mechanistic
also causes chaos and dysfunction, since the entire
universe is actually holistic.

The Native Americans understood this, and even realized
the importance of population balances.

White people simply do not get this, and we are now going
to pay a very heavy price for it. All too sad, but there it is.

Clouds Passing

(2,622 posts)
32. Overpopulation is why the rich have embarked on a global
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 03:00 PM
Thursday

culling of the herd plan. At the same time, they are blaming us the 99% for the destruction of the Earth. The rich themselves have been mostly responsible for that by refusing to allow cleaner and healthier innovations in energy, transportation, food, production, housing, healthcare and reproduction. Focusing instead on mass consumption of product for profits, profits, profits and power over others.

We must stop buying into their game-plan if we want the earth and ourselves to survive.

ananda

(30,904 posts)
33. Agree. Also, I have this image of the rich...
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 04:10 PM
Thursday

making their own versions of plantations
with slaves and everything.

GiqueCee

(1,471 posts)
9. Idaho appears to be...
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 06:40 PM
Wednesday

... competing with Texas for the dubious distinction of being the Anus of the Universe. Do we really need any more proof of what thoroughly rotten people Republicans truly are?

AZ8theist

(6,546 posts)
17. I had the answer to that question 60 years ago.
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 06:55 PM
Wednesday

I would ask my former Reich Wing coworkers "How has the Repuke Party benefitted YOU??"
Give me the exact policy that has made your life better........

....crickets..........


paleotn

(19,427 posts)
11. Surprised? I'm not.
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 06:43 PM
Wednesday

If you possibly can, get the fuck out of EyeDEho. Life is too short to spend it in shitholes.

BeerBarrelPolka

(1,436 posts)
14. I just.....
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 06:45 PM
Wednesday

This simply cannot be happening in the country where I said the Pledge of Allegiance everyday in the 70s. I have no allegiance to this monstrous display of depravity.

Passages

(1,381 posts)
23. Barbarism.
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 08:18 PM
Wednesday

noun
1.
absence of culture and civilization.
"the collapse of civilization and the return to barbarism"

IzzaNuDay

(670 posts)
27. STFU Idaho government
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 12:47 AM
Thursday

Y’all are incapable of playing doctor.
I will willingly help one of your residents fund an abortion and help them cross the border. Come and arrest me, you sorry fuckers.

ecstatic

(34,490 posts)
29. It's really hard to believe that people voted for this
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 09:55 AM
Thursday

I can see why some people think the election was rigged. If the election was legitimate, what happened? Why would women give up rights like this?

lark

(24,316 posts)
30. He hates us and wants us to die if we don't easily produce the slaves he wants so badly.
Thu Dec 12, 2024, 09:59 AM
Thursday

That is all we are good for to him - producing slave babies that will have no education, no healthcare, will work for pennies and die young - the perfect worker for the oligarchs. Other than that, we are dirt to him and he loves hurting us for fun and because he can.

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