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Fetterman continues his fast transition: "Always was a hard YES for Elise Stefanik" (Original Post) themaguffin Dec 11 OP
And his apologists are all over this issue. Voltaire2 Dec 11 #1
What a dumbass durablend Dec 11 #2
This!!!! ☝☝☝☝☝☝☝☝ wolfie001 Dec 11 #31
That's the irony of the whole charade Blue_Tires Dec 11 #33
The stupid is burning us. onecaliberal Dec 11 #40
Trying to replace Joe Manchin's role in the Senate? no_hypocrisy Dec 11 #3
Probably scared after seeing Casey lose and trying to cover his ass... W_HAMILTON Dec 11 #7
Good analysis of the so-called "mandate" GenThePerservering Dec 11 #8
This is a helpful, believable explanation. Mike 03 Dec 11 #9
He isn't up for reelection until 2028 Fiendish Thingy Dec 11 #14
Believe he is showing his "true colors", just not a deep blue. republianmushroom Dec 11 #23
Hitching his horse to a honeywagon... japple Dec 11 #37
Man, he's covering his tracks fast for some reason bucolic_frolic Dec 11 #4
Too Fast & Clumsily imo. Cha Dec 11 #24
Maybe been threatened by TSF? Does somebody have something on him? wnylib Dec 11 #43
Thoughts like those come to mind bucolic_frolic Dec 12 #44
*facepalm* Dennis Donovan Dec 11 #5
Not sure which one looks more stupid displacedvermoter Dec 11 #6
It wasn't exciting enough just being a senator. He's reinvented himself Mike 03 Dec 11 #12
Oh is that who that is? I saw it earlier Cha Dec 11 #20
Someone needs to explain to me that whole Blue_Tires Dec 11 #34
If he's as bad as people are saying now, why was he a hero like lawyer Avenatti before being elected? Silent Type Dec 11 #10
A double Orange Fuhrer's thumbs up. magicarpet Dec 11 #11
SMH Furiously. Cha Dec 11 #21
Yes the famous Trump gesture. Irish_Dem Dec 11 #29
Fetterman beat Oz... lame54 Dec 11 #13
The morphing of Sen Fettermanchin Jersey Devil Dec 11 #15
First Rule for Democrats when one Joe Mansion walks out the door Hassler Dec 11 #16
Backroom deals being made as we speak. Irish_Dem Dec 11 #28
I am speculating Slotkin, but I could be wrong. displacedvermoter Dec 12 #45
"Always was for a Gaslit Liar and enemy of Cha Dec 11 #17
Between Boba Fett and Moskowitz...ugh JanMichael Dec 11 #18
Jeez, what happened to him? Or was he always like that but covered it up? Ocelot II Dec 11 #19
He lost me right here. I liked him up until now. She's an evil opportunist of the worst sort. Wingus Dingus Dec 11 #22
We live in the age of the Great Unmasking. Mister Ed Dec 11 #25
We live in upside down world. Anything is now possible. Irish_Dem Dec 11 #27
Is this why they have been so quiet? Irish_Dem Dec 11 #26
Now y'all understand why I say I can't trust literally anybody anymore.... Blue_Tires Dec 11 #30
No election deniers should be confirmed creeksneakers2 Dec 11 #32
Post removed Post removed Dec 11 #35
It's arguably better to have Stafanik as UN Ambassador than to have her in the House. thesquanderer Dec 11 #36
My exact thoughts timms139 Dec 11 #38
The real question is who bought him to sit on which committees? Ford_Prefect Dec 11 #39
Pretty fucked up we had that asshole's back when when he had his nervous breakdown and now he's flipping us all off. bluesbassman Dec 11 #41
There is ForgedCrank Dec 11 #42

wolfie001

(4,183 posts)
31. This!!!! ☝☝☝☝☝☝☝☝
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 06:30 PM
Dec 11

He just witnessed, as did we all, what happened to his fellow Dem Senator. This is a job protection act. Pure Joe Manchin. Our country is in deep doo doo.

 

Blue_Tires

(57,596 posts)
33. That's the irony of the whole charade
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 06:38 PM
Dec 11

We've seen this game play out how many times over the fucking years? First he's just Trumper-curious, then he can't comment on anything without playing the "both sides" card, and then it's the age-old trope about how "the Democratic Party left me behind because they no longer represent "**REAL 'MURIKINS**!" And next he'll be a hot ticket invitee on all the cable news shows and Rogan, and then he'll start actively working against Dems, accusing us of being "too partisan and elitist" while doing guest speaker spots at conservative conferences... Sometime after that, he'll officially declare himself an "Independent"

And right when he thinks he's deftly straddled the line of being JUST Trumper enough while not pissing off too many Dems, right when he thinks he's got all the moderate Trumper votes he needs for re-election, that he'll finally reap all the rewards from selling out, the GOP replaces his ass with a REAL Trumper candidate and he loses reelection 65/35....

W_HAMILTON

(8,777 posts)
7. Probably scared after seeing Casey lose and trying to cover his ass...
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 05:15 PM
Dec 11

...without realizing that Casey barely lost, in a year that ended up being difficult for Democrats because voters treated the election as a referendum on how things were going and they were viewed as the party in power that was responsible for all that ails them.

Unless Trump starts sending out COVID bucks again, voters are going to quickly tire of his shit just like they quickly tired of his shit before. Hell, Fetterman and a lot of the other Democratic wins in PA in recent years were due to the backlash against MAGA, but it appears he -- and a lot of other Democrats, sadly -- think that this is some groundswell event that portends us becoming a MAGA nation when in reality it was just an extremely close election decided by a few thousand votes that just happened to swing the fascist's way because of the inflation issue.

Prices won't be going down -- unless the dipshit drives us into another recession, which is quite possible -- and the MAGA antics that had voters showing him and his Republicans out the door in 2018 and 2020 are only going to be worse this time around.

Fetterman is hitching his horse to the wrong wagon. Granted, it might be a good thing, because it's better he show his true colors now and get primaried and replaced next cycle rather than have him become entrenched in his seat and stabbing us in the back the rest of his career. Manchin was able to do it because he was one of the few Democrats beloved in WV, but Fetterman hasn't built that history yet. I could easily see him getting successfully primaried out of his seat, especially if the backlash to MAGA is what I anticipate it to be over these next few years.

GenThePerservering

(2,677 posts)
8. Good analysis of the so-called "mandate"
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 05:21 PM
Dec 11

and the reactions of some of these weak-kneed politicians.

Mike 03

(18,208 posts)
9. This is a helpful, believable explanation.
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 05:23 PM
Dec 11

It's so unsettling to see these transformations. I still have trouble accepting Kyrsten Sinema's total reinvention of herself and complete repudiation of the things she ran on. So far I haven't seen a change in core values in Fetterman, but his incessant trolling is irritating.

I wonder what the people who worked so hard to get him into office are feeling.

Fiendish Thingy

(19,023 posts)
14. He isn't up for reelection until 2028
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 05:38 PM
Dec 11

Plenty of time for him to show his true colors, and for a Primary opponent to raise money.

Shapiro could probably beat him easily.

Mike 03

(18,208 posts)
12. It wasn't exciting enough just being a senator. He's reinvented himself
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 05:29 PM
Dec 11

as a cranky, unpredictable Edgelord who isn't the slightest bit amusing and can't read the room. We'll see how far he gets trolling his own supporters while making overtures to the autocrats.

When Joe Scarborough boasts that the most important people think what he and Mika did was brilliant, it was probably Fetterman he was thinking of. I bet Fetterman called him immediately to congratulate him.

Cha

(308,083 posts)
20. Oh is that who that is? I saw it earlier
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 05:54 PM
Dec 11

and didn't know.

Does he approve of the J6 invasion? As If Democracy Doesn't have Enough GD PROBLEMS NOW!!

 

Blue_Tires

(57,596 posts)
34. Someone needs to explain to me that whole
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 06:40 PM
Dec 11

"United Nations is completely taken over by Hamas" talking point that Trumpers have been spreading nonstop on Twitter...

Silent Type

(8,546 posts)
10. If he's as bad as people are saying now, why was he a hero like lawyer Avenatti before being elected?
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 05:26 PM
Dec 11

Jersey Devil

(10,394 posts)
15. The morphing of Sen Fettermanchin
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 05:40 PM
Dec 11

or was it there the whole time, just not visible? A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest. Li da li.

Hassler

(4,084 posts)
16. First Rule for Democrats when one Joe Mansion walks out the door
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 05:47 PM
Dec 11

Another walks in. Wonder who'll be the new Sinema?

Mister Ed

(6,486 posts)
25. We live in the age of the Great Unmasking.
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 06:10 PM
Dec 11

I shouldn't be shocked or surprised anymore, but I continue to be.

 

Blue_Tires

(57,596 posts)
30. Now y'all understand why I say I can't trust literally anybody anymore....
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 06:25 PM
Dec 11


DUers need to understand that nobody is coming to help, aside from a few dedicated and isolated stalwarts. There's no cavalry coming...

Every Dem in the House and Senate who isn't in a dark blue electorate is going to be surprisingly tolerant of the Trumper junta this time around, if not join them outright... Expect a lot of "see no evil/hear no evil" attitudes from a bunch of allies who were part of the Resistance a few short weeks ago...

creeksneakers2

(7,639 posts)
32. No election deniers should be confirmed
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 06:35 PM
Dec 11

Nor anyone, like she did, that was part of the coup attempt. I don't agree with Fetterman at all on this one.

Response to themaguffin (Original post)

thesquanderer

(12,510 posts)
36. It's arguably better to have Stafanik as UN Ambassador than to have her in the House.
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 06:47 PM
Dec 11

And it's not like Trump was going to pick anyone for UN ambassador that we'd like.

If nothing else, the Republican's slim House majority will be one vote smaller with Stefanik out, until her replacement is voted in, even though it is a near certainty that her replacement will be Republican.

I don't really have a problem with this pick. What are people afraid she's going to do as UN ambassador, that wouldn't be done by any other Trump appointee?

bluesbassman

(20,186 posts)
41. Pretty fucked up we had that asshole's back when when he had his nervous breakdown and now he's flipping us all off.
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 08:00 PM
Dec 11

ForgedCrank

(2,535 posts)
42. There is
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 08:02 PM
Dec 11

definitely something wrong with this guy. He seemed pretty solid in the beginning, now not so much.

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