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HereForTheParty

(915 posts)
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 08:31 PM Dec 2024

So killing a CEO is "terrorism", but mass shootings of school children aren't

The word "terrorism" doesn't mean a damn thing.

The pearl clutching over that immoral money grubber is nauseating.

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So killing a CEO is "terrorism", but mass shootings of school children aren't (Original Post) HereForTheParty Dec 2024 OP
They want you terrorized. Johonny Dec 2024 #1
gun humping murderers are indeed terrorists Skittles Dec 2024 #2
Yes Kaleva Dec 2024 #4
Well, actually it does. Igel Dec 2024 #3
Nauseating isn't it? NotHardly Dec 2024 #5
When you kill a rich, powerful, white male you will be called a terrorist. Irish_Dem Dec 2024 #6
Unfortunately, CEOs rank infinitely higher on the American capitalist hierarchy of life than schoolkids ever will. Karasu Dec 2024 #7
I had just posted a very similar thread, and when I saw yours I deleted mine. Enter stage left Dec 2024 #8
They both are. CentralMass Dec 2024 #9
That was my first thought too. Avalon Sparks Dec 2024 #10
That was the only way New York could charge him with first degree murder. LeftInTX Dec 2024 #11
CEO's don't fit into MAGAt America's "he needed killing" meme...yet maxrandb Dec 2024 #12
We don't really have other words to describe it ecstatic Dec 2024 #13
Why do you need a word for it? HereForTheParty Dec 2024 #15
Stop watching whatever it is you are watching. travelingthrulife Dec 2024 #14
mass shootings of school kids is nearly PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2024 #16
You can face more time in prison for bank robbery than for manslaughter. republianmushroom Dec 2024 #17

Igel

(37,369 posts)
3. Well, actually it does.
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 08:52 PM
Dec 2024

And very often we don't like what falls under the meaning of a word and what doesn't.

This pretty much sums up my understanding of the difference:

The use of violence or the threat of violence, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political goals.
The act of terrorizing, or state of being terrorized; a mode of government by terror or intimidation.
The practise of coercing governments to accede to political demands by committing violence on civilian targets; any similar use of violence to achieve goals.


You go and kill 20 people because it's a gang fight or you're pissed off and just want people dead or want vengeance, you're a murderer.

You go and kill 1 person to make a statement and scare the government, populace, or some defined group to bow to your demands or at least pay attention, you're a terrorist.

The more I hear the less I can determine a personal grudge that motivated Mangione to kill the UHC CEO. It's more like he's striking a symbol to promote change and rouse the masses. I've come to think that Mangione was a domestic terrorist. But not ruling out (just?) mentally ill. I'm undecided as to whether one can simultaneously be both--sometimes it strikes me that domestic terrorists are all a bit deranged by default and their derangement just settles on an ideology and ideologically motivated target to externalize their internal hate and anger.

Where that bleeds into the Covenant school's killing requires some careful splitting of hairs but I haven't seen the relevant manifesto and apparently nobody wants us to see the entire thing; moreover, at times a grudge acquires ideological clothing, muddying the waters even more until they're a slurry.

Irish_Dem

(79,836 posts)
6. When you kill a rich, powerful, white male you will be called a terrorist.
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 09:55 PM
Dec 2024

Going up again the white male ruling class is not going to be tolerated.

Karasu

(2,003 posts)
7. Unfortunately, CEOs rank infinitely higher on the American capitalist hierarchy of life than schoolkids ever will.
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 09:57 PM
Dec 2024

LeftInTX

(34,015 posts)
11. That was the only way New York could charge him with first degree murder.
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 12:32 AM
Dec 2024

The following must exist for first degree murder:
person killed is a first responder, police officer, judge, law enforcement, or if the crime is murder for hire, during a rape, torture, more than one person, while committing a felony or terrorism.

https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/PEN/125.27

Most school shooters do not survive and are minors themselves.

This is the same DA who charged Trump.

State terrorism laws are quite different than federal laws. In some states, throwing molotov cocktails while rioting can be charged as terrorism.

maxrandb

(17,170 posts)
12. CEO's don't fit into MAGAt America's "he needed killing" meme...yet
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 09:21 AM
Dec 2024

Could you imagine ANY democratic politician surviving inviting the CEO shooter as their guest to the Army-Navy game, or having Kyle Rittenhouse as a guest speaker?

Meanwhile, a guy who choked out and unarmed man for 10 minutes is treated as a "star". In fact, we're hold "America needs more like him".

But, at least, we can take "comfort" in knowing they press will tell us "both sides are the same".

My God! The Kinks were right again

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ecstatic

(35,012 posts)
13. We don't really have other words to describe it
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 10:10 AM
Dec 2024

When activists (whether political / ideological / environmental/ religious / left / right) use violence to send a message, they're lumped into the terrorism category.

Do we have another word that describes situations like that? I'm asking seriously.

 

HereForTheParty

(915 posts)
15. Why do you need a word for it?
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 10:31 AM
Dec 2024

Simply say what happened. We know "terrorism" is misused to the point of being meaningless.

travelingthrulife

(4,463 posts)
14. Stop watching whatever it is you are watching.
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 10:30 AM
Dec 2024

They are causing this reaction on purpose to make money. Read news, it lets you use critical thought better.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(28,454 posts)
16. mass shootings of school kids is nearly
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 04:19 PM
Dec 2024

a daily event in this country. Shooting a CEO hardly ever happens.

I don't think either one really qualifies. "Terrorism is the use of violence to create fear and achieve a political goal"

School shootings are almost never about trying to achieve a political goal, just some disgruntled student or former student most of the time who has some personal reason to murder at a school.

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