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Nevilledog

(53,343 posts)
Fri Dec 20, 2024, 12:40 PM Yesterday

Elon Musk Wants to Pay for His Tax Cuts with Your Social Security and Medicare

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/elon-musk-vivek-trump-tax-cuts-social-security-medicare-1235212608/

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President-elect Donald Trump hasn’t even taken office and congressional Republicans are already taking cues from Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy and the pair’s new playground, the Department of Government Efficiency, or DOGE.

GOP lawmakers immediately lined up against the original short-term government funding bill released this week after Musk voiced his opposition. On top of that, a group of extremist Republicans, led by Sen. Rick Scott and Rep. Andy Harris, are fighting to ensure that the fresh round of tax cuts Republicans have planned for Musk when Trump’s 2017 tax law expires are paid for with $2.5 trillion in spending cuts on programs Americans rely on chosen by — you guessed it — Musk.

Republicans have made their plan for the new year crystal clear: ram through massive tax giveaways for the ultra-wealthy and corporations, and pay for them by shaking down programs and agencies that working families rely on. And they’re putting unelected and unaccountable oligarchs — Musk and Ramaswamy — in charge of deciding how much pain Americans will have to tolerate so that the rich can get richer.

Contrary to Musk and Ramaswamy’s claims that DOGE will put money back in taxpayers’ pockets, nothing laid out in DOGE’s scattershot plans shows any serious understanding of improving efficacy and efficiency. Rather, it’s just the latest iteration of conservatives’ decades-long crusade to, as Grover Norquist famously said, reduce government “to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub” — combined with their perennial obsession to cut Social Security benefits for seniors.

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Elon Musk Wants to Pay for His Tax Cuts with Your Social Security and Medicare (Original Post) Nevilledog Yesterday OP
It's the RAPEbubliCON way. SheltieLover Yesterday #1
Musk wants to eliminate matching employer SS & Medicare contributions, saving 7.5 percent of wages. TheBlackAdder Yesterday #14
Of course he does. SheltieLover Yesterday #22
Where are all those working class Trumpers in some Indiana diner Blue_Tires Yesterday #2
Ask them about George Soros lame54 Yesterday #4
Dead because they wouldn't mask or get vaxxed NameAlreadyTaken Yesterday #11
I would try Crossroad Family Restaurant in Emile Yesterday #19
Remember when that Trumper country music singer Blue_Tires Yesterday #3
But it will trickle down! Musk may not care but Repugs up for reelection in 2026 may not want to explain SS pay cuts dutch777 Yesterday #5
I think they will go after Medicaid first. GoodRaisin Yesterday #6
K&R Solly Mack Yesterday #7
This is a perfectly framed message for Democrats!! BadgerMom Yesterday #8
Yes DENVERPOPS Yesterday #9
Doing so will prevent me & many others from being able to eat. Attilatheblond Yesterday #10
President Elect Musk and his orange lap dog can go fuck themselves. Magoo48 Yesterday #12
K&R blueseas Yesterday #13
Two things we need to throw out here jmowreader Yesterday #15
Guessing they will get rid of the SS taxes EMPLOYERS pay into workers' accounts. Attilatheblond Yesterday #17
DOGE. My ass. It's DORR... dchill Yesterday #16
Kick dalton99a Yesterday #18
K&R spanone Yesterday #20
We need to be contacting our elected Rs KS Toronado Yesterday #21

TheBlackAdder

(29,001 posts)
14. Musk wants to eliminate matching employer SS & Medicare contributions, saving 7.5 percent of wages.
Fri Dec 20, 2024, 03:19 PM
Yesterday

SheltieLover

(60,128 posts)
22. Of course he does.
Fri Dec 20, 2024, 03:59 PM
Yesterday

Suck workers in & fuck 'em over. Seems to be the MO of the United States of Extortion.



Blue_Tires

(56,572 posts)
2. Where are all those working class Trumpers in some Indiana diner
Fri Dec 20, 2024, 12:48 PM
Yesterday

I'm anxious to hear their thoughts... 😒

Blue_Tires

(56,572 posts)
3. Remember when that Trumper country music singer
Fri Dec 20, 2024, 12:51 PM
Yesterday

Went viral with "Rich Men North of Richmond", which became a Trumper anthem a couple of years back?

Whatever happened to that guy and his one manufactured hit song?

dutch777

(3,548 posts)
5. But it will trickle down! Musk may not care but Repugs up for reelection in 2026 may not want to explain SS pay cuts
Fri Dec 20, 2024, 01:06 PM
Yesterday

Assuming Dems sit on their hands after voting NO when these dumb ideas come up for a vote, I suspect enough Repugs will realize MANY voters will be unhappy with offsetting tax cuts for the rich and corporations by cutting SS and the Meds and not be supportive either. It does get a bit trickier if they offset tax cuts with tariffs although that is really a tax on all that when the increased costs come home to roost as inflation will also be a bite in the butt for Repugs. Unless they are going to get smarter and trickier and play chess instead of checkers it won't be much fun to be a Repug legislator running for reelection again.

Solly Mack

(93,185 posts)
7. K&R
Fri Dec 20, 2024, 01:29 PM
Yesterday
the latest iteration of conservatives’ decades-long crusade to, as Grover Norquist famously said, reduce government “to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub”


Been saying it.

BadgerMom

(2,983 posts)
8. This is a perfectly framed message for Democrats!!
Fri Dec 20, 2024, 01:58 PM
Yesterday

Elected Democrats, please find a microphone and, in unison, trumpet this from the heights. THIS is our message! The world’s richest man wants YOUR Social Security to cover HIS taxes!

DENVERPOPS

(10,127 posts)
9. Yes
Fri Dec 20, 2024, 02:02 PM
Yesterday

Extremely well said.........

And as an aide in the WBush regime said something like: "The Republicans will do what we please, and you Dems will only be able to stand by and watch"

Attilatheblond

(4,516 posts)
10. Doing so will prevent me & many others from being able to eat.
Fri Dec 20, 2024, 02:48 PM
Yesterday

Hungry, with nothing to lose, makes us a dangerous bunch of geezers with no future anyway...

Magoo48

(5,519 posts)
12. President Elect Musk and his orange lap dog can go fuck themselves.
Fri Dec 20, 2024, 02:56 PM
Yesterday

Opposition to the first move against SS must be a consistent, rolling general strikes for as long as there is the least threat.

jmowreader

(51,581 posts)
15. Two things we need to throw out here
Fri Dec 20, 2024, 03:26 PM
Yesterday

Thing 1: Those programs run outside the General Fund on their own tax bases. Is he proposing getting rid of the benefits and keeping the taxes, which amounts to a huge tax hike, or getting rid of the taxes too?

Thing 2: If he gets rid of the taxes too this will cause huge problems for the rest of the government since the rest of the government relies on that money for short term funding.

Not a thing but an observation: the GOP claims they want to run government like a business. The four agencies that have always been on the GOP’s shit list are the Social Security Administration and the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services (which run like private-sector insurance companies), the United States Postal Service (which runs like a private-sector delivery service) and the National Rail Passenger Corporation (which runs like a private-sector transportation company). It’s a bit unbelievable to consider the Republicans want to run government like a business when they’re hell-bent on getting rid of every agency that really does run like one.

Attilatheblond

(4,516 posts)
17. Guessing they will get rid of the SS taxes EMPLOYERS pay into workers' accounts.
Fri Dec 20, 2024, 03:36 PM
Yesterday

That makes it more attractive to small businesses so they will go along with giving HUGE corporations one more tax break on not contributing into Social Security. MAGA fools will think they are getting a tax cut when they look at their little pay stubs. But if they live long enough to no longer be able to have their labor exploited, they find out they are SOL.

KS Toronado

(19,694 posts)
21. We need to be contacting our elected Rs
Fri Dec 20, 2024, 03:53 PM
Yesterday

and reminding them they should be smart enough to see Fascism raising it's ugly head and what they
are going to do about it, stand up with some backbone or cower down in fear of Musk's wrath? Doing
the latter means you were never worthy of being an elected official to begin with and we'll vote you out.

But if you stand up to tRump & Musk you need not worry about a primary challenger because we'll stand
and vote with you. (It's OK to lie to them, they do it all the time)

Secret to standing up to tRump & Musk might be secret ballots on all the House and Senate votes
if that is even possible.

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