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applegrove

(123,576 posts)
Fri Dec 20, 2024, 04:10 PM Yesterday

Trump Will Demand NATO Increase Defense Spending

Trump Will Demand NATO Increase Defense Spending

December 20, 2024 at 12:45 pm EST By Taegan Goddard 72 Comments

https://politicalwire.com/2024/12/20/trump-will-demand-nato-increase-defense-spending/

"SNIP............

“Donald Trump’s team has told European officials that the incoming U.S. president will demand NATO member states increase defense spending to 5 percent of GDP, but plans to continue supplying military aid to Ukraine,” the Financial Times reports.

“During his White House campaign, Trump vowed to cut off aid to Ukraine, force Kyiv into immediate peace talks, and leave NATO allies undefended if they failed to spend enough on defense — spooking European capitals.”

“But in a boost for allies deeply concerned over their ability to support and protect Ukraine without Washington’s backing, Trump now intends to maintain U.S. military supplies to Kyiv after his inauguration.”

............SNIP"

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maxrandb

(15,986 posts)
7. There is NOTHING about this orange shit-stain that is "good news"
Fri Dec 20, 2024, 05:18 PM
Yesterday

Unless he announces his resignation.

He gets enough "fluffing" from the "press", don't you think?

Biophilic

(4,970 posts)
8. Yes, he does, but every now and again he actually does something right.
Fri Dec 20, 2024, 05:33 PM
Yesterday

Continuing to support Ukraine militarily is the right thing to do.

surfered

(3,690 posts)
4. Trump must not be paying attention to his intelligence briefings because
Fri Dec 20, 2024, 04:51 PM
Yesterday

…they already are. Second, Trump’s pretzel logic is worse than we thought. The man who says America First is telling other countries to band together for mutual defense. Like most of the time he talks, I’m confused.

keep_left

(2,501 posts)
6. Yep, that's right. Thanks to MSNBC, Mike Malloy and others, I found out...
Fri Dec 20, 2024, 05:12 PM
Yesterday

...(no big surprise) that when it comes to the NATO budget, Trump has been lying all along.

I have my own theory about why Trump keeps this delusional line of thought going: he's basically plagiarizing the WSJ editorial page, not to mention the ideologues on Fox/Fox Business/OANN/etc. As far as I can tell, they started the whole "make Europe pay its share!" nonsense because they hate countries with strong social safety nets and stable, happy populations. (They apparently don't care that removing those things make political upheavals and revolutions much more likely).

Trump is amazingly uncreative. The Media Matters group noticed that early in his first term; they compared his Tweets to what was on Fox "News" at the time, and they noticed that there was a 10-to-15-minute lag between a subject being discussed on Fox and Trump ranting about it on Twitter, often plagiarizing quotes and statements as his own. He's been obsessed with the NATO issue for the better part of a decade. My guess is that Trump saw someone talking about NATO budgets on Fox years ago, and it somehow dovetails with whatever idiotic schemes he has about making money overseas. Otherwise, I can't come up with a reason for why he would even care.

Biophilic

(4,970 posts)
9. Well, actually, I believe they hope that by removing strong social nets they are encouraging upheavels and revolutions.
Fri Dec 20, 2024, 05:37 PM
Yesterday

That's when the oligarchs can make their move. They love social unrest.

keep_left

(2,501 posts)
10. It's good for oligarchs like Putin and their apprentices like Eloon and Trump...
Fri Dec 20, 2024, 05:48 PM
Yesterday

...I guess, but the irony that's lost on the WSJ (particularly since Murdoch took over) is that it's bad for business, which requires some modicum of cultural stability. And you're right, that's not who these people are. They much prefer smash-and-grab criming.

Biophilic

(4,970 posts)
11. Exactly. They figure they will come out ahead somehow.
Fri Dec 20, 2024, 06:00 PM
Yesterday

I’d root for them to destroy each other but I’m afraid many of us wouldn’t be around to celebrate.

struggle4progress

(120,532 posts)
5. "Oh, look!" said Mother. "Oh, see! See crazy uncle Donny!
Fri Dec 20, 2024, 04:54 PM
Yesterday

See crazy uncle Donny drool! He can drool from this side and that side. See crazy uncle Donny drool from both sides of his mouth!"!

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