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yellow dahlia

(4,514 posts)
Sat Dec 28, 2024, 05:18 PM Dec 2024

What would the Founding Fathers do?

What would the Founding Fathers do? This is a refrain that keeps playing in my mind the past several weeks.

Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Franklin, Madison, Hamilton and Paine have gone down in history as the brilliant minds responsible for the crafting of our Constitution and Declaration of Independence. They fought a war to get out from under an oppressive (and “mad”) king. They crafted the founding documents to create a new nation which would not be a monarchy. We (meaning the country, the current administration and its current leaders) are preparing to hand all of it over to a Mad King, a self professed dictator, an authoritarian. What would George Washington do?

This Mad King (who I refer to as the grifter) will surround himself with court jesters. They are there for his amusement, because to him everything is a show, for his benefit. But these court jesters will now also be Cabinet Secretaries who will be empowered to destroy all that the Founding Fathers envisioned and all that many generations have built to create a governmental infrastructure. The grifter and his “Cabinet of Destructioneers and Dunces” are laying their plans out in full view. They are not keeping it a secret – they are telling us exactly what they plan to do. These Cabinet Secretaries will take an oath they have no intention of keeping. They are not being chosen for their ability to manage our precious institutions, but rather to destroy them.

Why is there no stopping this? We have some brilliant minds and Constitutional scholars in our midst, such as Jamie Raskin and Laurence Tribe. Have they no ideas? Are there no protections in our Constitution to prevent what is about to happen? What would Thomas Paine do?

The grifter ran for the title of President to avoid jail and to surround himself with power. He doesn't even want to be President in the way our Founding Fathers structured the role. He is a con man and cult leader, but he is NOT a President. He doesn't want to govern as prescribed in our Constitution. He has even said he wants to get rid of the Constitution. He does not respect the Separation of Powers. But the current administration is rolling out the red carpet and handing over the keys (to the kingdom) anyway. The current administration and our Congressional Leaders are caught up in traditions, such as peaceful transition of power. Nothing about this is normal. There will no longer be any norms and traditions, when autocracy takes over. Our “leaders” are acting as if Democracy will still be there for the saving in four years. Project 2025 and the infrastructure of personnel around the grifter have no intention of that being the case. What would John Adams do?

Musk and the other oligarchs are in place to pillage and make themselves richer, while making the rest of the citizenry poorer. The grifter plans to sell off whatever he can of our country to the highest bidder (briber). It is what he did the first time he took up residence at the White House. He violated the emoluments clause to no end, and nothing was done about it. It is going to be worse this time. This is all happening in plain sight.

The grifter and his Band of Destroyers plan to deliberately dismantle and destroy our government and the infrastructure that makes our Democracy and our country function. Is destroying our government from the inside not an insurrection, albeit it a “quiet” one? The reins (reign, if you will) are being handed over to someone who has already committed sedition and espionage against this country. Top Secret documents will never be safe again. Our National Security will no longer be in good hands.
How can we knowingly stand by and allow this to happen? A Republic if we can keep it!? What would Benjamin Franklin do?

The grifter does NOT have a mandate. I will not argue whether malfeasance before and during the election affected the numbers. Let's say for argument sake he got the number of votes being reported – it is still less than 50% of those who voted. If he indeed got enough votes to reach the numbers for the popular vote and the electoral college win, then it was due to misinformation and lies – but that is a separate discussion. He does not have a mandate to destroy the country for the benefit of himself and his cronies and minions. He does not have the mandate/right to make this country unliveable for at least half of us. What about government for the people and by the people? What would Madison do?

The grifter and his Destructioneers are threatening all of our institutions. They plan to use the institutions against us. They aren't keeping a secret. If the grifter gets his way the Justice Department will represent him and his whims, not the American people. They are threatening everyone who stands in their way. They are threatening the press. What about the First Amendment? There will be no checks and balances. What would Thomas Jefferson do?

Our financial infrastructure will be under attack. Disbanding the FDIC? That could trigger a worst case scenario – bank failures wiping out the savings of a large portion of the population. Meanwhile, tariffs, tax cuts, and mass deportations are already predicted to upend the economy, and inflation will return. Musk has no problem with the “regular guy” experiencing some pain. They are announcing their plans of pain and destruction. And yet, the MSM and the current administration are acting like everything is “normal”. What would Alexander Hamilton do?

The grifter is more than just a Mad King. He is a sociopath and a bully. He is even more dangerous than the petulant child that he presents as. (The jokes and memes sometimes distract us.) The damage he did last time will be with us for eternity, (eg: Covid). The damage he will do this time may not be something we can come back from. He is all the worst aspects of what our Founding Fathers warned against.

The grifter is an absolute threat to Democracy. On Inauguration Day, he will take an oath he has no intention of keeping. He will take an oath he already violated once, by planning an act of sedition against the United States. How is there no protection in the 14th Amendment or otherwise?

What would our Founding Fathers do?

Everything we hold dear and sometimes take for granted will be under attack. Agencies that keep us safe will be eliminated (FDA, EPA, Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, FDIC...). The threats are not euphemistic. The threats are real - the plans are in place. The worst case scenarios are at our door step, and being given a path down Pennsylvania Avenue.

What can WE do?

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What would the Founding Fathers do? (Original Post) yellow dahlia Dec 2024 OP
I suspect the founders canetoad Dec 2024 #1
No Trexmaster Dec 2024 #8
And then there's all the obeying in advance going on, right now. yellow dahlia Dec 2024 #10
Boxed in bucolic_frolic Dec 2024 #2
This should be blasted out to the entire country! notinkansas Dec 2024 #3
If you know a venue I should share it to, yellow dahlia Dec 2024 #4
The Founding Fathers ... usonian Dec 2024 #5
Agreed! yellow dahlia Dec 2024 #6
Ask the UK to take us back? Xolodno Dec 2024 #7
Or can the Northeast and West Coast secede to Canada? yellow dahlia Dec 2024 #9
The first thing the founding fathers would do is stare Blue_Tires Jan 2025 #11

canetoad

(20,202 posts)
1. I suspect the founders
Sat Dec 28, 2024, 05:21 PM
Dec 2024

Would not have allowed it to get this far; they would not have allowed him to run for president.

Seems to me that the only remedy is through the courts and even that is slipping away.

 

Trexmaster

(63 posts)
8. No
Sat Dec 28, 2024, 06:39 PM
Dec 2024

I disagree.
They would've used the muskets and flint pistols.

Law enforcement (including federal and independent, nevermind the police, sheriffs etc) are deafly silent. Deafly.
So each and every one of us this close into considering they're on it as well, against everyone else... How is the US not like China, I really don't know.

Courts? C'mon, even judges fear for their lives.

bucolic_frolic

(54,001 posts)
2. Boxed in
Sat Dec 28, 2024, 05:28 PM
Dec 2024

Cornered, many authors, politicians, generals would do the same thing. It's like writer's block. Start a diversion. Don't know what form that would take. An abrupt drop in consumption would be a form of civil protest. Perhaps the robust holiday consumer spending indicates 1/2 the population determined to get something for their money before it is eroded by Trumpflation. Maxed out on debt, we enter austerity in 3 weeks for many consumers.

Founding Fathers? They would read Tom Paine.

yellow dahlia

(4,514 posts)
4. If you know a venue I should share it to,
Sat Dec 28, 2024, 05:48 PM
Dec 2024

I would be happy to do so.

Thank you for your reply.

usonian

(23,513 posts)
5. The Founding Fathers ...
Sat Dec 28, 2024, 06:33 PM
Dec 2024

despite their elitist, misogynist and (for some) racist attitudes (a Jefferson addition to outlaw slavery was knocked down for expedience) ...

1. Probably would not have allowed "Citizens United" to override "one man (I told you, misogynist) one vote".

It is almost entirely a money game. One dollar, one vote. YMMV (Your Millions May Vote)

2. I also think they would not have allowed a Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act to happen, allowing almost unlimited hate and lies to pervade public information sources not only unimpeded, but amplified and filtered by media owners.

THESE WERE DELIBERATE DECISIONS that have ruined democracy, and turned it into the oligarchy that they de-facto had, but tried to legislate away.

 

Blue_Tires

(57,596 posts)
11. The first thing the founding fathers would do is stare
Wed Jan 1, 2025, 10:11 PM
Jan 2025

at us in disbelief and ask "You freed the WHAT?!?"

The second thing they'd do is convict Donnie of treason and have him hanged...

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