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Ocelot II

(121,600 posts)
1. So what is this actually about, and how can I find out more
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 02:56 PM
Sunday

without having to watch a video?

Journeyman

(15,183 posts)
3. Definitely. Especially a near-20 minute time suck . . .
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 03:12 PM
Sunday

Frankly, probably not interested enough to read beyond a paragraph description. I just wish people here were invested enough in the topics they post to give an inkling of a clue so people would know what they're about to give so much time to for fruitless watching.

CrispyQ

(38,631 posts)
4. If only we could assign AI to the task of transcription instead of making fake Van Gogh's & other inane crap. -nt
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 03:19 PM
Sunday

SWBTATTReg

(24,393 posts)
5. 20 minutes!! Good grief...thanks for saving me! I was going to read but 20 minutes' worth?
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 03:21 PM
Sunday

No way. No blank way.

OAITW r.2.0

(28,794 posts)
6. It's about 2 pilots that thought they were better pilots than they were.
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 03:21 PM
Sunday

Pretty sobering channel on the limits of pilot capabilities when you take chances greater than your ability to manage the situation you are in.

Disaffected

(5,187 posts)
7. Try watching it.
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 03:49 PM
Sunday

I think, if you are at all interested in plane crash analysis, you will find it v informative (I've watched several Pilot Debriefs and all have been well presented by an experienced pilot).

Ocelot II

(121,600 posts)
8. I was a flight instructor for some 20 years, and I taught a course
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 04:05 PM
Sunday

in aviation accident investigation and prevention. I was curious about these particular accidents but I don't need a 20-minute video to tell me what probably caused them: poor or no weather briefings and VFR into IFR conditions. It would have been useful to know the particulars, though, like maybe a citation to the NTSB reports.

Hugin

(34,791 posts)
14. It asks me to sign in to prove I am not a bot.
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 10:20 AM
Monday

Like bots are incapable of signing in to bot accounts.

PII mill.

North Shore Chicago

(4,064 posts)
2. Very interesting and tragic.
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 03:09 PM
Sunday

This guy is absolutely correct! The rogue pilots were too full of hubris, their poor families.

Thank you for posting.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,844 posts)
10. Both of these stories remind me of JFK Jr
Sun Dec 29, 2024, 07:33 PM
Sunday

Not certified for instrument-only flight, lousy weather, a wish to meet a schedule, and a huge helping of hubris. Maybe hubris is a natural byproduct of being rich; I'll never know that one.

It was a 20-minute video, but I thought it was well-done and moved at a good pace. I liked it.

pfitz59

(11,015 posts)
11. The moral of this story
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 09:28 AM
Monday

Only fly with cautious, qualified pilots. Hubris and overconfidence are killers. Similar to the JFK, Jr crash. VFR rated pilot flying in IFR conditions.

Ron Green

(9,852 posts)
13. I wonder how much of our tax money is taken by the NTSB
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 10:16 AM
Monday

because of the screwups by these G.A. pilots with more money than sense?

Ocelot II

(121,600 posts)
15. The NTSB is a small agency, as agencies go, and its work is extremely valuable
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 10:33 AM
Monday

even when applied to GA accidents. Without having to watch more than a couple of minutes of this video I was easily able to find the NTSB report on this one. Predictably, the probable cause was "the non-instrument-rated pilot's intentional visual flight rules flight into instrument meteorological conditions, which resulted in controlled flight into terrain. Contributing to the accident was the pilot's established anti-authority attitude." https://asn.flightsafety.org/wikibase/192293. However, there could have been other contributing causes (drugs, hypoxia, bird strike, mechanical failure), and it's important to know whether any of those were present. All of these data are used for educational purposes to prevent other accidents. This one was simply another instance proving the old adage, "You can't fix stupid."

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