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usonian

(14,776 posts)
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 01:14 AM Monday

Developer fires entire team for AI, now ends up searching for engineers on LinkedIn

https://content.techgig.com/technology/developer-fires-entire-team-for-ai-now-ends-up-searching-for-engineers-on-linkedin/articleshow/116659064.cms

Creativity and problem-solving abilities, decision-making that are a part of strategic thinking?
Can't we automate that?



Wes Winder, a Canadian software developer, has turned into a global sensation after he decided to fire his development team and replace it with AI tools. Winder first used social media to brag about the decision, claiming that this decision enabled him to “ship 100X faster with code that’s 10X cleaner.” Earlier such aggressiveness would have earned clout for him, but now it has boomeranged, and he is a meme on Reddit.

The tweet read, “I fired my entire dev team. Replaced them with O1, Lovable, and Cursor. Now I ship 100X faster with code that’s 10X cleaner. Open AI o3 is coming, and 90% of dev jobs won’t survive.”

But, would you believe it, Winder later took to LinkedIn to announce that he needed web developers to join his company. This disparity invited a lot of derision, the Reddit post even having nearly 10K upvotes and comments. Another raged: So he is saying his company is an unneeded greed mongrel milking a simple interaction between his clients and OpenAI! Another said, “I just say AI to do it all.” But can’t someone else just tell AI to do everything? You don’t understand. I meet with the clients! I’m a people person, dammit!”


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It brings into focus a larger problem for the tech industry today, which looks to overcompensate for its reliance on AI with a reckless disregard for the importance of human experience. For all the ways that AI can benefit developers by taking on the mundane and optimizing the useful, AI can’t replace a developer. Creativity and problem-solving abilities, decision-making that are a part of strategic thinking, cannot be duplicated by AI or human engineers.
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Developer fires entire team for AI, now ends up searching for engineers on LinkedIn (Original Post) usonian Monday OP
Christ, what an asshole 😐 Blue_Tires Monday #1
As one poster said, what an idiot. AI is so new, not only as a career choice (how do you define a job in AI?), SWBTATTReg Monday #2
"I'm artificially intelligent!" dchill Monday #3
Truly funny, but kind of scary in a way, eh? Too many people in Today's world claim that they know it all. SWBTATTReg Monday #15
Luigi Mangione, homeboy, homegrown hero, who murdered UHC CEO is an AI specialist. LeftInTX Monday #6
Oh wow. Sure, he is, an AI specialist. What in the hell is such a thing, as AI specialist? SWBTATTReg Monday #16
Proofing AI code is just one of the jobs on an AI specialist... haele Monday #17
What the heck is Jarvis? I don't recall. And you know what AI really is. Hmmm. What you describe sounds like SWBTATTReg Monday #19
To further clarify, for the rest of us in the non-AI world, Jarvis is NOT a person in the Marvel Universe, it's a SWBTATTReg Monday #20
Perhaps the Board of Directors should replace Winder with AI-CEO v1.0. Buns_of_Fire Monday #4
That is exactly what it's coming to: rich CEOs who just act out AI recommendations. paulkienitz Monday #8
AI can only handle 80% of cases well nuxvomica Monday #5
For the most part, today's AI can only repeat solutions for cases that other people have already solved, paulkienitz Monday #9
It's like economics, IMO usonian Monday #10
Eloon was his mentor. Old Crank Monday #7
Just ask the entire Mumpswagon charging infrastructure team Eloon fired a few months ago. Hugin Monday #11
Close. Old Crank Monday #12
There's fire in that smoke... Hugin Monday #14
This is how we achieve an idiocracy. hunter Monday #13
Why doesn't he hire xAI? Kid Berwyn Monday #18
Here's an idea or two. usonian Monday #21

SWBTATTReg

(24,393 posts)
2. As one poster said, what an idiot. AI is so new, not only as a career choice (how do you define a job in AI?),
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 02:26 AM
Monday

and I doubt that there are that many degrees out there developed by schools/colleges/etc. for 'AI'.

IT was that way. Back in '75-79, all there was for me in my IT career was a 1-year certificate in IT. Now, of course my degrees are the equivalent of Masters' degrees, and the entire IT field has exploded into many different areas, database development, languages and coding, Systems Design, Data Networks etc. (you need in order to receive/get data via a data network of some sort). And the list can go on and on, the sheer number of careers offered now in the IT arena is amazing.

As to AI, perhaps there's something out there, perhaps a very basic sprinkling of stuff coming out, but once people start getting into AI projects more and more, defining what AI is more and more, more and more tools for AI will come out, Businesses will be more aggressively seeking out AI projects once they realize what values that they can bring to the business w/ AI.

SWBTATTReg

(24,393 posts)
15. Truly funny, but kind of scary in a way, eh? Too many people in Today's world claim that they know it all.
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 03:01 PM
Monday

Good grief. When I see stuff like that, I run as fast as I can away from them. Usually, it's the opposite of what they are saying that is really the truth.

LeftInTX

(30,824 posts)
6. Luigi Mangione, homeboy, homegrown hero, who murdered UHC CEO is an AI specialist.
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 03:32 AM
Monday

I guess the AI told him to kill???

SWBTATTReg

(24,393 posts)
16. Oh wow. Sure, he is, an AI specialist. What in the hell is such a thing, as AI specialist?
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 03:02 PM
Monday

haele

(13,661 posts)
17. Proofing AI code is just one of the jobs on an AI specialist...
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 03:10 PM
Monday

Another is establishing boundaries, security protocols, and reactive prompt trees.

AI isn't autonomously reactive, can create it's own firewalls and boundaries, or replicate itself like Jarvis does in the Marvel movies.

Haele

SWBTATTReg

(24,393 posts)
19. What the heck is Jarvis? I don't recall. And you know what AI really is. Hmmm. What you describe sounds like
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 04:40 PM
Monday

exactly what a IT software developer does.

SWBTATTReg

(24,393 posts)
20. To further clarify, for the rest of us in the non-AI world, Jarvis is NOT a person in the Marvel Universe, it's a
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 04:58 PM
Monday

tool apparently, that is used in an 'AI' environment, in creating an 'AI' entity or subroutine, I am supposing. Here's a couple of paragraphs on the tool. There is a lot more out there that is more helpful, do a search on Google, and find it, you'll find out more information on it there.

In short, Jarvis is something like a software language like COBOL, ASM, PLI, Pascal, Focus, Fortran, or one of the many different software languages out there in writing software.

One significant feature is JARVIS's ability to support Rules, Learners, Predictions, and Sensors, enhancing the software's versatility and adaptability. The automatic mode is particularly noteworthy, as it provides timely correction whenever the trigger is detected. The application allows users to configure these triggers within a comprehensive configuration menu, offering high customization options.

The latest version of JARVIS, 3.0.0.1, comes with several executable files, such as AVJarvis.exe, _698DBA38FD44981B6DFB50.exe, _0BC8CF06BDF5353C08187D.exe, WPFAVJarvis.exe, and kripytonianoJarvisFREE.exe. This variety ensures that the software can be tailored to different user needs and preferences. The program file size is just 1.2 MB, so it is lightweight and won't take up much space on your device.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,971 posts)
4. Perhaps the Board of Directors should replace Winder with AI-CEO v1.0.
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 02:57 AM
Monday

Probably a helluva lot cheaper, and fewer coffee/potty breaks.

paulkienitz

(1,345 posts)
8. That is exactly what it's coming to: rich CEOs who just act out AI recommendations.
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 03:42 AM
Monday

For now we can laugh at the suckers who buy the snake oil aimed at VC suckers... but actual AI will eventually come, and when it does even the CEOs will be made redundant, even if they're too privileged to be treated like it. It will essentially be the end of capitalism, because if we don't end it, the entire economy will be machines playing games with other machines in which the people who created it all are just redundant unnecessary expenses. We'll be forced to decide once and for all whether a life is worth more than money is, and drop the idea that we have to "earn" a living.

But that level of AI is never going to come out of the kind of plagiarism engines they're building today. Anybody who falls for the false promises coming from the Sam Altman crowd is only proving they're not fit to be trusted with executive-level responsibilities.

nuxvomica

(13,032 posts)
5. AI can only handle 80% of cases well
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 03:20 AM
Monday

The other 20%, the edge cases, AI handles very badly and you need humans to solve them. And the 20% are not only the riskiest cases, you may not know ahead of time which cases they are. That's how an AI expert described it on a radio interview.

paulkienitz

(1,345 posts)
9. For the most part, today's AI can only repeat solutions for cases that other people have already solved,
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 03:45 AM
Monday

and particularly only those that many other people have solved in similar ways in public. Today's AI can only understand consensus ideas that have been arrived at often enough to be, you might say, peer reviewed. Any stretch beyond that into anything rare or original and it's going to confidently faceplant.

usonian

(14,776 posts)
10. It's like economics, IMO
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 10:19 AM
Monday

It's trained on the past, and "expected" to guide the future in many cases where a LLM is good at completing sentences or summarizing text.

Coursera says a CEO basically has these responsibilities:

• Setting vision and strategy: Along with defining your organization's mission, vision, and values, you would embody them and set goals to achieve them.

• Allocating resources: As CEO, you'll decide how to invest a company's resources (capital, personnel, and time) to achieve business objectives.

• Managing operations: You'll oversee day-to-day operations with an eye to their alignment with overall strategic goals.

• Building and leading the executive team: As CEO, you’ll select your company’s top leadership, manage them, and ensure they work well together.

• Communicating with stakeholders: As the main face of the company, this role involves keeping internal and external stakeholders informed.


The Board of Directors can use AI to do some of these, but many are (you guessed it)



And there are some real ogres as CEO or de-facto CEO.

• Elon Musk ( Linda Yaccarino? ) Seriously,



• Tronald Dump? Sure.

• Bezos, the junk poster and scourge of labor?

And so on.

They don't even have the people skills to talk a pitcher to throw a fastball, unless it means giving them a finger.

And have a great day!


Old Crank

(5,009 posts)
7. Eloon was his mentor.
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 03:35 AM
Monday

He fires great swaths of people just because.... Then has to back track.

Hugin

(34,791 posts)
11. Just ask the entire Mumpswagon charging infrastructure team Eloon fired a few months ago.
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 10:25 AM
Monday

Seemingly on a whim or maybe it was a bit of spoiled meat or rotten potato in his stew.

Hugin

(34,791 posts)
14. There's fire in that smoke...
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 10:49 AM
Monday

Given Eloon’s insistence on spreading his specimen. Like it’s a gift or something.

hunter

(39,075 posts)
13. This is how we achieve an idiocracy.
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 10:42 AM
Monday

Employees who don't know what they are talking about will be talking to customers who don't know what they are talking about, all as guided by "artificial intelligences" that certainly don't know what ANYONE is talking about.

All intelligible thought will be drowned in a flood of gibberish.

Kid Berwyn

(18,402 posts)
18. Why doesn't he hire xAI?
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 03:11 PM
Monday

Or one of those free A.I. things on Yahoo! or Bing?

They know more about A.I. than anybody and you don’t have to pay them.

usonian

(14,776 posts)
21. Here's an idea or two.
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 06:08 PM
Monday

Have a bot that scrapes results from all the AI "silos" out there and returns some kind of result (I have no idea what this might be)

OR

Scrape every educational site, especially Harvard Business School and others, and get business ideas and plans --- better yet, hack into courseware sites and pose your business question as a homework assignment!

The prof's may be pissed, but my intuition says that they'll feel challenged by the problem, and solve it for you for free.

In high school, I used to post bogus problem sets on the bulletin board, things like "solve the orbit of a dust particle in the Milky Way".
Our beloved math teacher looked at it, thought about it for a while, and took it home with him.

"Good Artists copy; Great Artists steal" (attributed to many different people who stole the phrase)

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