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PJMcK

(23,079 posts)
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 08:05 AM Monday

I just lost yet another friend to Trump

This fellow was a close friend of mine in college and afterwards. We had many musical adventures together and worked on numerous projects together. We shared one another's lives, partied our asses off and shared many delicious meals. Once, I took him sailing the day after a hurricane and we had one of the most exciting afternoons in my life.

He is now a diehard Trumpist. We spoke for about 15 minutes the other day and I listened to his diatribe about how everything wrong with the world is President Biden's fault and how Trump will bring prosperity and peace to our nation and the world. He is beyond rationality and facts.

My former friend has been on unemployment on and off for decades as he's an independent contractor as a musician in NYC. He has benefitted from many of the social safety nets offered in our country and this state. Yet he has bought into all of the Trump lies and has never taken personal responsibility for his circumstances. Incidentally, I had an inkling of his leanings when Giuliani was mayor and my acquaintance thought he was the greatest mayor NYC had ever seen. (Giuliani was not a great mayor and everything we've seen about him the last several years was presaged during his terms in NYC.)

My former friend is just the latest of people with whom I will no longer associate. There are more than a dozen friends and family that I've written off because of their support for Trump. If I cannot respect someone I cannot be friends with them. After all, inspite of my life as an Aristocrat*, I do have standards that I expect of my acquaintances.

Trump has destroyed so much in his disgusting life. it's disheartening to see how this one man has laid bare the disgusting underbelly of so many American people.

"The land of the brave?" Hardly.
"The land of the free?" Not even close for far too many people.
"The shining city on the hill?" Only if you're a multi-millionaire.

I'm getting older and I don't expect to be around for many more decades. Still, I'm brokenhearted that my son and so many others will have to live in this country as it is destroyed by Trump and his minions.
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* The Aristocrats is a documentary film by Penn Jillette about a dirty joke told by comedians for comedians. It's a brilliant study of comedy and comedians. Those who identify with the humor are known colloquially as Aristocrats.

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I just lost yet another friend to Trump (Original Post) PJMcK Monday OP
I am so sorry that you've lost your friend, my dear PJMcK . . . CaliforniaPeggy Monday #1
Thanks, Peggy PJMcK Monday #2
been there; done that CatWoman Monday #3
'Curious how you cut it off (as I'm trying to do this with someone and admittedly I don't hlthe2b Monday #4
Actually, I didn't confront my former friend PJMcK Monday #6
Yes...That is my thinking hlthe2b Monday #7
No it isn't ! Yes, it is ! eppur_se_muova Tuesday #12
Just be yourself... rasputin1952 Monday #9
Did you mention Trump's support for foreign worker Visas ? JI7 Monday #5
If I may... rasputin1952 Monday #8
As a musician I often wondered... S/V Loner Monday #10
It sounds like you friend may be a bit bitter about his own life. Joinfortmill Monday #11

CaliforniaPeggy

(152,522 posts)
1. I am so sorry that you've lost your friend, my dear PJMcK . . .
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 08:27 AM
Monday

After so many years of good times and friendship too. How do you recover?

It's almost like a death.

I hope you'll find peace as your path moves away from him.

PJMcK

(23,079 posts)
2. Thanks, Peggy
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 08:31 AM
Monday

Actually, I don't feel loss so much as incredulousness. This guy has benefitted from so much America has offered that his un-American attitudes baffle me.

Frankly, I don't have enough years left to care about such people. As the great Ms. Angelou said, when people show you who they are, believe them the first time. My pal has shown me his true inner self.

Enjoy the rest of your holidays, dear friend!

hlthe2b

(106,896 posts)
4. 'Curious how you cut it off (as I'm trying to do this with someone and admittedly I don't
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 08:50 AM
Monday

know how "direct" I want to be)...

PJMcK

(23,079 posts)
6. Actually, I didn't confront my former friend
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 08:58 AM
Monday

Simply put, I just listened to his ramblings, said a few polite things then hung up. I don't need a confrontation. I just won't call him any more.

An argument is only useful when there is a factual basis for disagreement . Otherwise, it's just two people yelling at one another.

JI7

(90,937 posts)
5. Did you mention Trump's support for foreign worker Visas ?
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 08:54 AM
Monday

maybe he doesn't care since I assume he isn't in any field that he feels it would affect him.

But the bigger point is that it shows he cares about giving more money to wealthy.

But you describe exactly why many people support Trump. It's just about resentment.

rasputin1952

(83,252 posts)
8. If I may...
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 10:53 AM
Monday

I've been around for over seven decades. I've done some things I'm not very proud of, but far more that I am proud of.
One of them is being at the forefront against tyranny. I believe that once Civics was taken out of the classroom, the country began to fail. There are other reasons for failure as well, all of them correctable, ignorance, laziness, fear, greed (not just of the wealthy), and others. Ignorance is by far the most straightforward of all. Ignorance is, far too often, self-imposed. When an individual looks squarely in the face of falsehoods and still accepts them as truths, the outcome is nothing but a lowering of standards and a failure in integrity, and dignity.

If we look at human life in general, we all wish to survive and be happy. Happiness is not in what we acquire in goods, it is what we acquire in wisdom, friendships, family. More often than not, I've quelled arguments with a cup of coffee and a cinnamon roll (always my treat). People find it hard to argue during even a simple meal (Thanksgiving is an exception, then again, it is hardly a simple meal).

I've lived through the assassination of a president, it was the only day I can recall that NYC fell silent. I didn't even hear the bus pull up, nor drop my younger brother and me off a block from our home. That day was the only time, in my entire life I saw tears in my father's eyes.

A man of peace was gunned down trying to lift others up, we share the same birthday, although not the same year, Jan 15. I saw a glimmer of hope gunned down in an LA kitchen.

When far younger, I went to a war of no consequence other than to see my fellow man fall for no purpose other than enriching those who did not have to fight. We thought Nixon's "Secret Plan" would get us out of there, the secret was so tight, even he didn't know it. I held the bullet-torn head of a soldier who got out three last words, "Mom, mom, mom", and I answered, "I'm here" as his eyes glazed over. I know rage, and I know peace. I know chaos, and I know order.

I know love, and still think of my first girlfriend. I know how to protect. I know how to learn, I know how to lead by example, and never surrender to fear or ignorance. I will fight the fight against tyranny. I will stand up to ignorance and protect those I love. In this, I've already lost a few acquaintances, but friends and family are a little different. Family is not chosen, there will always be differences, but through it all, family sticks it out. Friends, any of us can be considered lucky if we claim three true friends. A friend will be there with you, no matter what the course may be, they are an extension of family, often more reliable than family. I have a son and a grandson, today, I live for them.

This cloud coming signals a storm. Like all storms, it will pass, but I dread the cleanup. It will be long and costly. The deep division will remain, quelled for a bit, but like the underbelly of the nation, it will rise from time to time as it does in every society. I will not tolerate the hate-mongers, nor the fear-mongers, and will never tolerate ignorance as justification for a failed man who takes the highest office in the land.

For all that may happen, we here at DU, more than virtually anywhere else, understand what we must do to resist the nature of the lowest level humanity can reach. It will make the cleanup easier for all.

Stay safe, and RESIST.

S/V Loner

(9,140 posts)
10. As a musician I often wondered...
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 11:06 AM
Monday

how some other musicians can think like they do. I want to say to them, "Don't you ever listen to the lyrics of the songs you are playing?". WTF is the matter with you?
I'm sorry about your friend but he sounds like so many other Maga's that seem to make the wrong decisions in life and blame others. Personally I have lost friends because it turned out they were not the people I thought they were and realized that they have a serious character flaw that was hidden.

Joinfortmill

(16,675 posts)
11. It sounds like you friend may be a bit bitter about his own life.
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 11:09 AM
Monday

That would fit well with the rhetoric of 'the nameless one'.

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