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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTo graduate, OK law requires students to go to college, trade school, or enter the military
https://www.yourtango.com/news/oklahoma-law-says-students-accepted-college-join-military-graduate-high-schoolIts important to set students up on a path to success post-graduation. That's why teachers and parents alike are known for giving students all the tools they need to become the best versions of themselves.
The question is, when and if the government should also become involved? The governor of Oklahoma decided it was time to be a part of students lives but received a lot of backlash in doing so.
Oklahoma law requires students to have some kind of plan for the future before they graduate from high school.
According to Oklahoma Citys Fox 25, high school students must now either be accepted into a college or trade school or join the military to be able to graduate. This is all because of a new initiative from Oklahomas governor, Keven Stitt.
In an X post regarding the decision, Stitt stated that his goal was to [turn] classrooms into career launchpads.
We want to prepare every student for success in the workforce, he continued.
Fox 25 reported, Stitt also wants students to have to be accepted into a college. If not college, he says kids should be accepted into a CareerTech. Otherwise, Stitt says a student would have to be going into the army.
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MineralMan
(148,110 posts)How about the kid who will be working immediately in the family business? Or the kid who already has a job that will become full-time after graduation?
Sounds like this Governor hasn't thought this idea through very well.
Mossfern
(3,282 posts)Trueblue1968
(18,299 posts)womanofthehills
(9,374 posts)and make big bucks in his moms basement.
Blue_Tires
(57,103 posts)The conservative ragegasm would be been biblical...
keep_left
(2,559 posts)...blah, blah, blah.
dem4decades
(12,041 posts)sop
(11,777 posts)Ocelot II
(121,734 posts)What happens if they can't accomplish the plan because their circumstances change for reasons beyond their control? Does their HS diploma get revoked?
ProfessorGAC
(70,860 posts)Guy wants to be a musician, but applies for culinary. Gets accepted. Graduates.
Then he and his bandmates jump in a van and go on the road.
Are they going to rescind the diploma? And if they want to, what practical mechanism exists to do so?
Seems like a potentially good plan executed in a ham-handed fashion.
Midnight Writer
(23,190 posts)tinymontgomery
(2,694 posts)ProfessorGAC
(70,860 posts)Conveniently, that's all it takes.
Igel
(36,333 posts)It's unenforceable, beyond having a plan in place. Maybe they lie, maybe they change their mind, maybe their plans don't work out because that law degree didn't get past freshman comp as an undergrad.
Then there's this quote, from the source that the OP's source derived its info from:
Governor Stitt's Office wants to clarify that, as of right now, this is just an idea - not an initiative or plan.
ProfessorGAC
(70,860 posts)It was pointed out another spot in the thread.
My point still stands: It's an idle threat that can't be executed, so it's just politi-blather.
underpants
(187,622 posts)Construction
Restaurant
Call Center
Retail
Whatever.
ProfessorGAC
(70,860 posts)And in OK, you'd think there'd be farm jobs too.
An awful lot of that learning is O-T-J
Quiet Em
(1,305 posts)I'm pretty sure Oklahoma is a forced birth State.
Attilatheblond
(4,731 posts)Well off families can buy their kids' ways out the the military. Less fortunate families find out they raised cannon fodder to feed the MIC.
OldBaldy1701E
(6,737 posts)Jim__
(14,526 posts)Attilatheblond
(4,731 posts)Just who does this fool think he is?
I am in favor of young people having a plan, but denying them earned diplomas unless they go into debt to immediately go to college or trade school would make it hard for them to get jobs in the meantime. Making them choose debt or military is sort of like quasi-prison without crime or trial.
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JoseBalow
(5,807 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(24,155 posts)Heres the article cited. Nothing about a law.
https://okcfox.com/amp/news/local/governor-kevin-stitt-oklahoma-classrooms-career-launchpads-announcement-careers-jobs-job-workforce-requirement-graduation-graduate-high-school-accepted-college-army-careertech-tech-financial-literacy-joe-dorman-institute-child-advocacy-lawmakers-budget
Silent Type
(7,484 posts)It turns out to be polemicized misinformation.
BlueTsunami2018
(4,090 posts)I hate their mandatory Piss Wig Bible thing but I dont have too much of a problem with setting kids on the path to a career.
B.See
(3,942 posts)jimfields33
(19,382 posts)Im sure these states find your post not true.
B.See
(3,942 posts)I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to figure out where this kind of maga inspired bs is heading.
"Less government" my ass. They want to control every aspect of people's lives.
What's next? Conscription of those not well connected enough to "bone spurs" their way out of it?
Silent Type
(7,484 posts)Maryland, and even some rube red states. Apparently, 12 states have similar laws.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertfarrington/2024/11/29/12-states-now-require-fafsa-for-high-school-graduation-what-to-know/
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OKLAHOMA CITY (KFOR) Theres a new law in Oklahoma that requires high school graduates at public high schools to submit a free FAFSA application and learn about federal funding for college. While there is an option to opt out, students must file one or the other before graduating.
I could see how hard students in Oklahoma were working to get qualified to go to college and to get accepted to college. But a lot of times their families didnt know how to pay for it, said Senator Mary Boren (D-Norman). The Oklahoma State Regents for Higher Education explains each school district will have a school employee in charge of collecting information regarding student compliance before graduation.
I could also see that a lot of families just didnt know how to navigate the financing of it. And they werent aware that how important the FAFSA was to opening up those doors of funding for college, said Senator Boren.
While it is a requirement to graduate, theres still an option if you dont want to apply with specific guidelines as to who can fill out the form.
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How OK graduates can skip the FAFSA
The law, which was adopted in 2023, includes several ways for seniors to graduate without submitting a FAFSA form:
--The student's parent or legal guardian can sign a form to opt-out participation in the requirement.
--An 18-year-old student can sign the opt-out form themselves.
--A school counselor can authorize a student's graduation without submitting a FAFSA.
https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/education/2024/11/15/oklahoma-fafsa-rule-for-graduation-what-to-know/76297457007/
DeepWinter
(637 posts)into a good story. Someone will flag you for jury.
Silent Type
(7,484 posts)LisaM
(28,803 posts)It can hardly be legal, but what is this obsession with turning everyone into a worker bee? People can contributing to society in lots of different ways.
onenote
(44,858 posts)Don't blindly accept everything posted online as accurate -- also applies, sadly, to DU.
moondust
(20,543 posts)Response to moondust (Reply #20)
onenote This message was self-deleted by its author.
Midnight Writer
(23,190 posts)Hell, in Oklahoma, a 12-year-old is old enough to breed.
Lovie777
(15,346 posts)Raven123
(6,167 posts)ornotna
(11,125 posts)To lower your graduation rates.
: Well, after reading more posts it seems the story is not as the OP paints it.
Leaving my original comment for all to see.
jmowreader
(51,663 posts)SWBTATTReg
(24,433 posts)high school. What if they don't want to do any of the things that are 'okay' per Oklahoma guidelines?
It's a little much if you ask me.
Silent Type
(7,484 posts)SWBTATTReg
(24,433 posts)must complete in order to graduate high school? I can't imagine the state or high school enforcing such a thing, and then, what about home schooled students? What about those going into the service? Very intrusive.
Silent Type
(7,484 posts)SWBTATTReg
(24,433 posts)onenote
(44,858 posts)The Free Application for Federal Student Aid (FAFSA) form. It is used to determine eligibility for financial aid and its completion is required required by a number of states to graduate, including:
Alabama
California
Connecticut
Illinois
Indiana
Kansas
Louisiana
Maryland
New Hampshire
Oklahoma can be added to this list based on a law, passed with near unanimous support, in late November.
BannonsLiver
(18,304 posts)Johnny2X2X
(21,928 posts)Its not for everyone, but some kids need a year off to live a little and figure out their next steps.
Rebl2
(15,055 posts)my plan would be to get the hell out of Oklahoma! They only suggested three options. Why isnt already having a job one of them? Many young people have jobs when they graduate HS. I did until I went to college in the fall.
Ms. Toad
(35,704 posts)Although nothing references a specific law, this law modifying high school graduation requirements was signed by the governor in May 2024. It does discuss career planning, but does NOT impost post-graduation requirements of college, trade school, or military.
Here is the bill, as amended:
http://webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us/cf_pdf/2023-24%20ENR/hB/HB3278%20ENR.PDF
VGNonly
(7,826 posts)The road to involuntary servitude, what the British Navy called "press gangs".
xmas74
(29,802 posts)Some don't believe in higher education.
Jacson6
(890 posts)I joined the military and then was able to go to college. Then I entered the civilian work force. YMMV. IMHO.
Renew Deal
(83,180 posts)eppur_se_muova
(37,801 posts)(Of course, I'm not suggesting that should be anyone's actual plan, necessarily -- but it would be fun to see the party of incels and tradwives ready to string up their Governor for abandoning "traditional family values", including the absolute right not to graduate high school ! )
Iggo
(48,612 posts)Its just red meat. Pisses off the libs and makes the knuckle-staggers salivate.
Clouds Passing
(2,969 posts)Maru Kitteh
(29,281 posts)Im sure.
keithbvadu2
(40,655 posts)sop
(11,777 posts)viva la
(3,881 posts)What if they need $$ right away?
onenote
(44,858 posts)No such "law". The law that was enacted mirrors laws requiring graduates to complete a form with useful information about financial opportunities -a law that passed virtually unanimously and is similar to laws in around a dozen states including several blue states.
Initech
(102,695 posts)Meowmee
(6,282 posts)But I guess it is there. Bad idea in my opinion. There are lots of other things people may do, and they may already have a job etc..