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Nevilledog

(53,354 posts)
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 03:39 PM Dec 30

To graduate, OK law requires students to go to college, trade school, or enter the military

https://www.yourtango.com/news/oklahoma-law-says-students-accepted-college-join-military-graduate-high-school


It’s important to set students up on a path to success post-graduation. That's why teachers and parents alike are known for giving students all the tools they need to become the best versions of themselves.

The question is, when and if the government should also become involved? The governor of Oklahoma decided it was time to be a part of students’ lives but received a lot of backlash in doing so.

Oklahoma law requires students to have some kind of plan for the future before they graduate from high school.

According to Oklahoma City’s Fox 25, high school students must now either be accepted into a college or trade school or join the military to be able to graduate. This is all because of a new initiative from Oklahoma’s governor, Keven Stitt.

In an X post regarding the decision, Stitt stated that his goal was to “[turn] classrooms into career launchpads.”

“We want to prepare every student for success in the workforce,” he continued.

Fox 25 reported, “Stitt also wants students to have to be accepted into a college. If not college, he says kids should be accepted into a CareerTech. Otherwise, Stitt says a student would have to be going into the army.”

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To graduate, OK law requires students to go to college, trade school, or enter the military (Original Post) Nevilledog Dec 30 OP
That's a pretty short list of possibilities, isn't it? MineralMan Dec 30 #1
Exactly my initial thoughts! nt Mossfern Dec 30 #43
I would challenge that law. Stupid law .... Probably unconstitutional. Trueblue1968 Dec 30 #62
Or the kid who wants to be a TicToc influencer womanofthehills Dec 30 #64
If Dems had come up with this proposal Blue_Tires Dec 30 #2
Yep. "Big Government", "nanny state"... keep_left Dec 30 #5
Another reason not to live in Oklahoma. dem4decades Dec 30 #3
Will Oklahoma pay for attending college or trade school? sop Dec 30 #4
OK, so the student presents their plan, then graduates. Ocelot II Dec 30 #6
What If They Just Lied ProfessorGAC Dec 30 #14
Maybe they just need a concept of a plan. Midnight Writer Dec 30 #24
Works for the incoming grifter. tinymontgomery Dec 30 #25
Oh Yeah, I Forgot ProfessorGAC Dec 30 #37
TX requires a plan to be in place. Igel Dec 30 #46
I Saw That ProfessorGAC Dec 30 #48
What about people who are just going to get a job? underpants Dec 30 #51
That, Too ProfessorGAC Dec 30 #59
and if they are pregnant? Quiet Em Dec 30 #7
IOW: economic military draft Attilatheblond Dec 30 #8
BINGO! OldBaldy1701E Dec 30 #29
Doesn't really sound like a legitimate requirement to graduate high school. Jim__ Dec 30 #9
Sounds sorta illegal too. The governor is not the boss of 'adults' and the law seems to say 18 year olds are grown ups Attilatheblond Dec 30 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Dec 30 #10
Can they join the French Fryin' Legion? JoseBalow Dec 30 #11
YourTango left out the part where Stitt said he would *like* for this to be the plan. There's no law. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 30 #12
And even California, NY, Illinois, and 9 other states require filling out the form too. Silent Type Dec 30 #17
Yup. Igel Dec 30 #47
I don't hate this. BlueTsunami2018 Dec 30 #13
Straight up NAZI sht. B.See Dec 30 #15
And even California, NY, Illinois, and 9 other states require filling out the form too. jimfields33 Dec 30 #60
Filling out a form is one thing, but B.See Dec 30 #63
Not sure that is what it says. All they have to do is fill out a form. That form is required in California, NY, Illinois Silent Type Dec 30 #16
Don't introduce facts DeepWinter Dec 30 #19
+1. Has happened many times. Silent Type Dec 30 #33
This so 1984. LisaM Dec 30 #18
Actually, what it is, is "so misleading". Se post #16. onenote Dec 30 #21
Or move to a free state? moondust Dec 30 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author onenote Dec 30 #22
Can little Suzie decide to declare a career as a brood mare? No higher ed needed for that. Midnight Writer Dec 30 #23
Woke?...... Lovie777 Dec 30 #26
What happened to parental rights? Raven123 Dec 30 #27
That's a sure fire method ornotna Dec 30 #28
What about apprenticeships and employment directly out of HS? jmowreader Dec 30 #30
Communism, Oklahoma style! Wow. I am flabbergasted at the sheer interference of people's lives, especially after SWBTATTReg Dec 30 #32
Better criticize California, NY, Maryland, Illinois and even some rube states that also require the form. Silent Type Dec 30 #35
Well, first of all, what form I would ask, and I am supposing that there is a form that each high school student SWBTATTReg Dec 30 #39
Plenty of posts up thread that offer facts. Silent Type Dec 30 #41
I didn't ask about facts, I asked about the 'form'. I didn't see anything about a form...am I missing it? SWBTATTReg Dec 30 #42
The form is a fact. It is described in post #16, which apparently you skipped reading onenote Dec 30 #57
Those are sacred cow states. They are above criticism. BannonsLiver Dec 30 #45
There is nothing wrong with taking a gap year. Johnny2X2X Dec 30 #34
I think Rebl2 Dec 30 #36
This article is a bunch of gibberish that bears little resemblance to the law. Ms. Toad Dec 30 #38
Let me see your papers! VGNonly Dec 30 #40
Isn't this an infringement on their religion? xmas74 Dec 30 #44
I'm not a conservative like this guy. I support having kids having and reaching a goal upon graduation. Jacson6 Dec 30 #49
The best thing OK students can do to prepare for the workforce is move out of OK. Renew Deal Dec 30 #50
Every woman should list "housewife" as her future plan -- let the Guv deal with that ! eppur_se_muova Dec 30 #52
Except it doesn't. Iggo Dec 30 #53
There goes the graduation rate ⬇️ Clouds Passing Dec 30 #54
With a special pass for white girls who promise to get 'birthin'. Maru Kitteh Dec 30 #55
Oklahoma? - Choice #4... Buy a Trump Bible. keithbvadu2 Dec 30 #56
And enroll at Trump University. sop Tuesday #67
Can't they just get a job? viva la Dec 30 #58
Another example of DU being used to spread misinformation onenote Dec 30 #61
OK, Ryan Walters, who's going to pay for that? Initech Dec 30 #65
It does not sound legal to me Meowmee Tuesday #66

MineralMan

(148,110 posts)
1. That's a pretty short list of possibilities, isn't it?
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 03:42 PM
Dec 30

How about the kid who will be working immediately in the family business? Or the kid who already has a job that will become full-time after graduation?

Sounds like this Governor hasn't thought this idea through very well.

Ocelot II

(121,734 posts)
6. OK, so the student presents their plan, then graduates.
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 03:49 PM
Dec 30

What happens if they can't accomplish the plan because their circumstances change for reasons beyond their control? Does their HS diploma get revoked?

ProfessorGAC

(70,860 posts)
14. What If They Just Lied
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 04:10 PM
Dec 30

Guy wants to be a musician, but applies for culinary. Gets accepted. Graduates.
Then he and his bandmates jump in a van and go on the road.
Are they going to rescind the diploma? And if they want to, what practical mechanism exists to do so?
Seems like a potentially good plan executed in a ham-handed fashion.

Igel

(36,333 posts)
46. TX requires a plan to be in place.
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 06:01 PM
Dec 30

It's unenforceable, beyond having a plan in place. Maybe they lie, maybe they change their mind, maybe their plans don't work out because that law degree didn't get past freshman comp as an undergrad.

Then there's this quote, from the source that the OP's source derived its info from:

Governor Stitt's Office wants to clarify that, as of right now, this is just an idea - not an initiative or plan.

ProfessorGAC

(70,860 posts)
48. I Saw That
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 06:05 PM
Dec 30

It was pointed out another spot in the thread.
My point still stands: It's an idle threat that can't be executed, so it's just politi-blather.

underpants

(187,622 posts)
51. What about people who are just going to get a job?
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 06:17 PM
Dec 30

Construction
Restaurant
Call Center
Retail

Whatever.

ProfessorGAC

(70,860 posts)
59. That, Too
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 07:24 PM
Dec 30

And in OK, you'd think there'd be farm jobs too.
An awful lot of that learning is O-T-J

Attilatheblond

(4,731 posts)
8. IOW: economic military draft
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 03:58 PM
Dec 30

Well off families can buy their kids' ways out the the military. Less fortunate families find out they raised cannon fodder to feed the MIC.

Attilatheblond

(4,731 posts)
31. Sounds sorta illegal too. The governor is not the boss of 'adults' and the law seems to say 18 year olds are grown ups
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 05:18 PM
Dec 30

Just who does this fool think he is?

I am in favor of young people having a plan, but denying them earned diplomas unless they go into debt to immediately go to college or trade school would make it hard for them to get jobs in the meantime. Making them choose debt or military is sort of like quasi-prison without crime or trial.

Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

BlueTsunami2018

(4,090 posts)
13. I don't hate this.
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 04:08 PM
Dec 30

I hate their mandatory Piss Wig Bible thing but I don’t have too much of a problem with setting kids on the path to a career.

 

jimfields33

(19,382 posts)
60. And even California, NY, Illinois, and 9 other states require filling out the form too.
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 07:55 PM
Dec 30

I’m sure these states find your post not true.

B.See

(3,942 posts)
63. Filling out a form is one thing, but
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 10:58 PM
Dec 30

I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to figure out where this kind of maga inspired bs is heading.

"Less government" my ass. They want to control every aspect of people's lives.

What's next? Conscription of those not well connected enough to "bone spurs" their way out of it?

Silent Type

(7,484 posts)
16. Not sure that is what it says. All they have to do is fill out a form. That form is required in California, NY, Illinois
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 04:17 PM
Dec 30

Maryland, and even some rube red states. Apparently, 12 states have similar laws.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertfarrington/2024/11/29/12-states-now-require-fafsa-for-high-school-graduation-what-to-know/
________________________

OKLAHOMA CITY (KFOR) — There’s a new law in Oklahoma that requires high school graduates at public high schools to submit a free FAFSA application and learn about federal funding for college. While there is an option to opt out, students must file one or the other before graduating.

“I could see how hard students in Oklahoma were working to get qualified to go to college and to get accepted to college. But a lot of times their families didn’t know how to pay for it,” said Senator Mary Boren (D-Norman). The Oklahoma State Regents for Higher Education explains each school district will have a school employee in charge of collecting information regarding student compliance before graduation.

“I could also see that a lot of families just didn’t know how to navigate the financing of it. And they weren’t aware that how important the FAFSA was to opening up those doors of funding for college,” said Senator Boren.

While it is a requirement to graduate, there’s still an option if you don’t want to apply with specific guidelines as to who can fill out the form.

_____________________

How OK graduates can skip the FAFSA


The law, which was adopted in 2023, includes several ways for seniors to graduate without submitting a FAFSA form:
--The student's parent or legal guardian can sign a form to opt-out participation in the requirement.
--An 18-year-old student can sign the opt-out form themselves.
--A school counselor can authorize a student's graduation without submitting a FAFSA.

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/education/2024/11/15/oklahoma-fafsa-rule-for-graduation-what-to-know/76297457007/

LisaM

(28,803 posts)
18. This so 1984.
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 04:23 PM
Dec 30

It can hardly be legal, but what is this obsession with turning everyone into a worker bee? People can contributing to society in lots of different ways.

onenote

(44,858 posts)
21. Actually, what it is, is "so misleading". Se post #16.
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 04:32 PM
Dec 30

Don't blindly accept everything posted online as accurate -- also applies, sadly, to DU.

Response to moondust (Reply #20)

Midnight Writer

(23,190 posts)
23. Can little Suzie decide to declare a career as a brood mare? No higher ed needed for that.
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 04:49 PM
Dec 30

Hell, in Oklahoma, a 12-year-old is old enough to breed.

ornotna

(11,125 posts)
28. That's a sure fire method
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 05:07 PM
Dec 30

To lower your graduation rates.

: Well, after reading more posts it seems the story is not as the OP paints it.
Leaving my original comment for all to see.

SWBTATTReg

(24,433 posts)
32. Communism, Oklahoma style! Wow. I am flabbergasted at the sheer interference of people's lives, especially after
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 05:18 PM
Dec 30

high school. What if they don't want to do any of the things that are 'okay' per Oklahoma guidelines?

It's a little much if you ask me.

Silent Type

(7,484 posts)
35. Better criticize California, NY, Maryland, Illinois and even some rube states that also require the form.
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 05:23 PM
Dec 30

SWBTATTReg

(24,433 posts)
39. Well, first of all, what form I would ask, and I am supposing that there is a form that each high school student
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 05:33 PM
Dec 30

must complete in order to graduate high school? I can't imagine the state or high school enforcing such a thing, and then, what about home schooled students? What about those going into the service? Very intrusive.

SWBTATTReg

(24,433 posts)
42. I didn't ask about facts, I asked about the 'form'. I didn't see anything about a form...am I missing it?
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 05:43 PM
Dec 30

onenote

(44,858 posts)
57. The form is a fact. It is described in post #16, which apparently you skipped reading
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 06:57 PM
Dec 30

The Free Application for Federal Student Aid (FAFSA) form. It is used to determine eligibility for financial aid and its completion is required required by a number of states to graduate, including:
Alabama
California
Connecticut
Illinois
Indiana
Kansas
Louisiana
Maryland
New Hampshire

Oklahoma can be added to this list based on a law, passed with near unanimous support, in late November.

Johnny2X2X

(21,928 posts)
34. There is nothing wrong with taking a gap year.
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 05:22 PM
Dec 30

It’s not for everyone, but some kids need a year off to live a little and figure out their next steps.

Rebl2

(15,055 posts)
36. I think
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 05:24 PM
Dec 30

my plan would be to get the hell out of Oklahoma! They only suggested three options. Why isn’t already having a job one of them? Many young people have jobs when they graduate HS. I did until I went to college in the fall.

Ms. Toad

(35,704 posts)
38. This article is a bunch of gibberish that bears little resemblance to the law.
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 05:29 PM
Dec 30

Although nothing references a specific law, this law modifying high school graduation requirements was signed by the governor in May 2024. It does discuss career planning, but does NOT impost post-graduation requirements of college, trade school, or military.

Here is the bill, as amended:

http://webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us/cf_pdf/2023-24%20ENR/hB/HB3278%20ENR.PDF

VGNonly

(7,826 posts)
40. Let me see your papers!
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 05:38 PM
Dec 30

The road to involuntary servitude, what the British Navy called "press gangs".

Jacson6

(890 posts)
49. I'm not a conservative like this guy. I support having kids having and reaching a goal upon graduation.
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 06:07 PM
Dec 30

I joined the military and then was able to go to college. Then I entered the civilian work force. YMMV. IMHO.

eppur_se_muova

(37,801 posts)
52. Every woman should list "housewife" as her future plan -- let the Guv deal with that !
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 06:17 PM
Dec 30

(Of course, I'm not suggesting that should be anyone's actual plan, necessarily -- but it would be fun to see the party of incels and tradwives ready to string up their Governor for abandoning "traditional family values", including the absolute right not to graduate high school ! )

Iggo

(48,612 posts)
53. Except it doesn't.
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 06:19 PM
Dec 30

It’s just red meat. Pisses off the libs and makes the knuckle-staggers salivate.

onenote

(44,858 posts)
61. Another example of DU being used to spread misinformation
Mon Dec 30, 2024, 09:48 PM
Dec 30

No such "law". The law that was enacted mirrors laws requiring graduates to complete a form with useful information about financial opportunities -a law that passed virtually unanimously and is similar to laws in around a dozen states including several blue states.

Meowmee

(6,282 posts)
66. It does not sound legal to me
Tue Dec 31, 2024, 12:07 AM
Tuesday

But I guess it is there. Bad idea in my opinion. There are lots of other things people may do, and they may already have a job etc..

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