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babylonsister

(171,778 posts)
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 08:47 PM Jan 7

Why Does Trump Want Greenland?


https://politicalwire.com/2025/01/07/why-does-trump-want-greenland/

Why Does Trump Want Greenland?

January 7, 2025 at 7:47 pm EST By Taegan Goddard


New York Times: “Greenland’s vast ice sheets and glaciers are quickly retreating as the Earth warms through accelerating climate change. That melting of ice could allow drilling for oil and mining for minerals such as copper, lithium, nickel and cobalt. Those mineral resources are essential to rapidly growing industries that make wind turbines, transmission lines, batteries and electric vehicles.”

“Because of higher temperatures, an estimated 11,000 square miles of Greenland’s ice sheets and glaciers have already melted in the past three decades, an area roughly the size of Massachusetts.”

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Why Does Trump Want Greenland? (Original Post) babylonsister Jan 7 OP
Yep canetoad Jan 7 #1
Hey, canetoad... babylonsister Jan 7 #18
Hey there, my bestest, oldest DU friend canetoad Jan 7 #23
And we love you!! Great babylonsister Jan 7 #27
We should give it to him - drop him in the middle of the ice sheet at about 11,000 feet . . . hatrack Jan 7 #2
Just simple ego, very easy to understand chicoescuela Jan 7 #3
Profit isn't a small consideration. nt babylonsister Jan 7 #12
True, but King of Greenland would be sweet chicoescuela Jan 7 #14
Hahaha! Yet oye. nt babylonsister Jan 7 #16
Stephen Miller wants it for the gulag Hassler Jan 7 #4
I'm guessing Putin wants it for a base in the northern western hemisphere. nt dflprincess Jan 7 #5
With arctic melting, it will be the shortest shipping route from Europe to Asia. Thunderbeast Jan 7 #6
The Mercator Projection is why-- makes Greenland look bigger than the US andym Jan 7 #7
That's why Delarage Jan 7 #22
It is just the 2025 version of "and Mexico will pay for it." FSogol Jan 7 #8
Elon wants it. My guess is that he's been whispering in trump's ear. Crunchy Frog Jan 7 #9
because it allows him to dominate the news cycle nt msongs Jan 7 #10
Twoo wuv present for Pootie. tanyev Jan 7 #11
Fascist dictators need territory to conquer. GoodRaisin Jan 7 #13
And crypto... 2naSalit Jan 7 #15
There's oil and lots of it in the Arctic and TSF is being used to get a foothold for future drilling Deuxcents Jan 7 #17
Payback for the $1T that oil and gas gave his campaign? V850i Jan 7 #28
Because he wants to keep up with his buddy Putin, who wants Ukraine. n/t Ms. Toad Jan 7 #19
Looks like he wants all mineral rights. Irish_Dem Jan 7 #20
Hegemony. moondust Jan 7 #21
That and, importantly, expanding Pituffik Space Base (formerly known as Thule). vanessa_ca Jan 7 #24
He is a real-estate guy Johonny Jan 7 #25
NYT article share link ... cliffside Jan 7 #26
He has the adolescent "Mine's bigger" mentality Norbert Jan 8 #29

canetoad

(18,495 posts)
23. Hey there, my bestest, oldest DU friend
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 10:09 PM
Jan 7

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babylonsister

(171,778 posts)
27. And we love you!! Great
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 11:24 PM
Jan 7

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hatrack

(61,646 posts)
2. We should give it to him - drop him in the middle of the ice sheet at about 11,000 feet . . .
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 08:50 PM
Jan 7

Let him start walking to the coast for a lift.

Thunderbeast

(3,588 posts)
6. With arctic melting, it will be the shortest shipping route from Europe to Asia.
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 08:58 PM
Jan 7

I would expect major naval bases in Greenland and Alaska.

andym

(5,805 posts)
7. The Mercator Projection is why-- makes Greenland look bigger than the US
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 08:59 PM
Jan 7

Trump thinks he's more than doubling the land mass of the US! Egotistic Fool. Then comes the attempt at rationalizations to make it seem rational, that is, less crazy than it is.

Delarage

(2,364 posts)
22. That's why
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 10:08 PM
Jan 7

He likes the election maps that make everything look red.... When most of "his" area is farmland and desert.

FSogol

(47,108 posts)
8. It is just the 2025 version of "and Mexico will pay for it."
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 08:59 PM
Jan 7

Plus the press can't stop gushing about it.

GoodRaisin

(9,759 posts)
13. Fascist dictators need territory to conquer.
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 09:17 PM
Jan 7

It makes him feel complete in his fascist dictating. Even just talking about it makes him feel tough.

Deuxcents

(20,679 posts)
17. There's oil and lots of it in the Arctic and TSF is being used to get a foothold for future drilling
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 09:28 PM
Jan 7

moondust

(20,671 posts)
21. Hegemony.
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 09:58 PM
Jan 7
According to Goebbels, the conquest of Lebensraum was intended as an initial step[171] towards the final goal of Nazi ideology, which was the establishment of complete German global hegemony.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

vanessa_ca

(118 posts)
24. That and, importantly, expanding Pituffik Space Base (formerly known as Thule).
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 10:20 PM
Jan 7

The neoconservative Hudson Institute has been pushing for this. They warned last year that 'NATO is not prepared for possible Russian aggression in the Arctic, noting that Moscow’s nuclear submarines could travel under the ice along the coast of eastern Greenland without being detected'. Trump and his cohorts also don't want China getting a foothold in the Arctic, since Russia has been working with it. Foreign Policy hawks want Pituffik beefed, totally under the control of the US, and in no way hindered by the 1951 defense agreement with Denmark. They also want to base the US Second Fleet there.

FP published a Hudson Institute's article about that last year https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/04/01/nato-russia-arctic-steadfast-defender-2024/

"Whoever holds Greenland will hold the Arctic. It's the most important strategic location in the Arctic and perhaps the world".
Walter Berbrick, U.S. Naval War College (https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/24/trump-buy-greenland-1474349)


The idea isn't new. It was proposed under the Truman admin in the 40s.

In April 1946, State Department official John Hickerson attended a meeting of the planning and strategy committee of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and reported that ''practically every member ... said that our real objective as regards to Greenland should be to acquire it by purchase from Denmark.’'

''The committee indicated that money is plentiful now, that Greenland is completely worthless to Denmark (and) that the control of Greenland is indispensable to the safety of the United States,’' Hickerson said in a memo.

-snip-

He said purchase of Greenland would give the United States ''valuable bases from which to launch an air counteroffensive over the Arctic area in the event of attack.’'

On June 20, 1946, Secretary of War Robert Patterson weighed in, writing to Undersecretary of State Dean Acheson that ''it might be a good idea to take prompt action toward securing from Denmark (even to the extent of purchasing the entire island, if necessary) the military rights which have been outlined by the Joint Chiefs of Staff.’'

https://apnews.com/article/9d4a8021c3650800fdf6dd5903f68972


I just noticed the poster CatWoman posted about the same thing here https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219882643#post10

Johonny

(22,625 posts)
25. He is a real-estate guy
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 10:30 PM
Jan 7

He understands the concept of throwing your name on something.

Any long term mining claims are good BS cover. But honestly Trump wants a land grab because he can slap his name on it historically. He isn't a complex deep thinker.

He should find some place that wants to be bought.

cliffside

(607 posts)
26. NYT article share link ...
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 10:39 PM
Jan 7
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/07/us/politics/trump-greenland.html?unlocked_article_code=1.nk4._WM5.Knj7iL-imVeL&smid=url-share

"... In 2023, the Danish government published a report that detailed Greenland’s potential as a rich deposit of valuable minerals. The Arctic island has “favorable conditions for the formations of ore deposition, including many of the critical raw minerals.”

The melting ice in the Arctic is also opening up a new strategic asset in geopolitics: shorter and more efficient shipping routes. Navigating through the Arctic Sea from Western Europe to East Asia, for example, is about 40 percent shorter compared to sailing through the Suez Canal. Ship traffic in the Arctic has already surged 37 percent over the past decade, according to a recent Arctic Council report.

... Mr. Trump has repeatedly called climate change a “hoax.” But one of his former national security advisers, Robert C. O’Brien, suggested that its consequences are one of the reasons that Mr. Trump is interested in making Greenland a U.S. territory.

“Greenland is a highway from the Arctic all the way to North America, to the United States,” he told Fox News. “It’s strategically very important to the Arctic, which is going to be the critical battleground of the future because as the climate gets warmer, the Arctic is going to be a pathway that maybe cuts down on the usage of the Panama Canal.”

Norbert

(6,740 posts)
29. He has the adolescent "Mine's bigger" mentality
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 12:00 AM
Jan 8

He thinks is he rules with the addition of Canada and Greenland he will have a greater land mass than China.

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