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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(118,324 posts)
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 02:58 PM Jan 11

Yes, Some LA Fire Hydrants Ran Out of Water. That's Not the Whole Story, Though

Fire hydrants in Los Angeles ran out of water while firefighters were battling the January 2025 wildfires.
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True

Context
Los Angeles officials said on Jan. 8 that some fire hydrants in the Pacific Palisades area lost water supply due to high demand on the system from the Palisades fire. Water remained available to firefighters in this area by other means. Fire hydrants do not generally have the capacity to be used in large-scale firefighting, officials also said.

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Los Angeles officials addressed the claim during news conferences on Jan. 8. Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass and Los Angeles Department of Water and Power (LADWP) CEO Janisse Quiñones told reporters that 20% of fire hydrants in the Pacific Palisades area — around 200 out of 1,000 — lost water supply due to "tremendous" pressure on the system during firefighting efforts for the Palisades fire. Water remained available in the Pacific Palisades area, Bass said. Therefore, we rate this claim as true with the caveat that only a small number of fire hydrants were affected.

The LADWP said in an email on Jan. 9: "There is no lack of water flowing through our pipes or flowing to the Palisades area. Water remains available in Palisades, but is limited in areas at elevation, impacting fire hydrants."

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/palisades-fire-hydrants-ran-out-of-water/

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Yes, Some LA Fire Hydrants Ran Out of Water. That's Not the Whole Story, Though (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 11 OP
Sadly this is already ingrained in the story. Conservatives are blaming smelt fish too underpants Jan 11 #1
Anyone with a working brain can see through both arguments Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 11 #2
Yes but they had it drilled into their heads all day. underpants Jan 11 #4
So was eating cats I ead.. . that's what Cons Do. Cha Jan 12 #15
20% of hydrants were dry. That is a huge issue that shouldn't be signed off as political Melon Jan 11 #3
I think the point is the timing Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 11 #5
And hannah Jan 11 #11
Mump Needs to Get Exponentially Loaded Cha Jan 12 #16
Can you show proof canetoad Jan 11 #6
I feel like you just bombed in to add your wisdom Melon Jan 12 #13
..... Skittles Jan 11 #7
If the fire was normal it would have been ok 20 % down nini Jan 12 #14
20% hydrants down is never ok. This is a huge failure Melon Jan 12 #18
I saw a fire chief say that the sprinklers installed on some of these homes burned up and the water was just flowing kimbutgar Jan 11 #8
the way i traided to explain it to someone..... Takket Jan 11 #9
The way Katy Tur was grilling Newsom, it's all his fault. Emile Jan 11 #10
TY .. That sounds expected. Did Gov Newsom handle it? Cha Jan 12 #17
He did, but boy oh boy did she ever kept at him. But the water pressure blah blah blah. Emile Jan 12 #20
I never liked her Meowmee Jan 12 #21
She is just another MSNBC Donald Trump apologist. Emile Jan 12 #24
I live in the very last house at the edge of town. Midnight Writer Jan 11 #12
What an excellent point! TY! arthritisR_US Jan 12 #19
Exactly and the higher elevation the less pressure too. Emile Jan 12 #22
Moving water uphill is very expensive. Hugin Jan 12 #23

underpants

(188,396 posts)
1. Sadly this is already ingrained in the story. Conservatives are blaming smelt fish too
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 03:06 PM
Jan 11

It was all the rage in talk radio a few days ago. Every show.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/conservatives-play-blame-game-california-wildfires-pointing-fingers-de-rcna186983

Lazy media will never fill in this part of it. I don’t know that about hydrants.

Melon

(211 posts)
3. 20% of hydrants were dry. That is a huge issue that shouldn't be signed off as political
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 03:17 PM
Jan 11

Glossing over issues isn’t a fix. 20%. It’s made a difference in saving homes and neighborhoods. Why is this political?

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(118,324 posts)
5. I think the point is the timing
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 03:23 PM
Jan 11

Let's get the fires put out then deal with the hydrants. Trump is using this as an excuse to not help.

hannah

(205 posts)
11. And
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 03:34 PM
Jan 11

Some people want to blame Democrats. What’s true today ATF joined the FBi to investigate what is happening.But
Anyone can spread propaganda. For instance I can say, MAGA started the fires for their first 100 days of shock and awe.


canetoad

(18,543 posts)
6. Can you show proof
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 03:26 PM
Jan 11

Of the claim that 20% of hydrants were dry?

This is political because RW liars have made it so.

Melon

(211 posts)
13. I feel like you just bombed in to add your wisdom
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 01:55 AM
Jan 12

and never read the article this thread was based on. It’s true. This comes from our side. This should be heavily looked into and people should absolutely lose their jobs.

“Los Angeles officials addressed the claim during news conferences on Jan. 8. Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass and Los Angeles Department of Water and Power (LADWP) CEO Janisse Quiñones told reporters that 20% of fire hydrants in the Pacific Palisades area — around 200 out of 1,000….”

nini

(16,776 posts)
14. If the fire was normal it would have been ok 20 % down
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 02:02 AM
Jan 12

The way that fire was spreading by winds and embers flying it wouldn’t have mattered how many there were to try and stop it under those conditions.

The winds were insane around here and we’re not normal winds. Deadly winds is an understatement.

Melon

(211 posts)
18. 20% hydrants down is never ok. This is a huge failure
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 03:09 AM
Jan 12

In no industry is a 20% failure rate ok. That’s crazy to think that’s it’s ok and trying to push a bad narrative. Maybe 1%…not 20%. The fireman were on station in many areas and could not put out small fires that became large without water. It did make a difference.

kimbutgar

(24,063 posts)
8. I saw a fire chief say that the sprinklers installed on some of these homes burned up and the water was just flowing
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 03:27 PM
Jan 11

Freely affecting water pressure all over the area.

Takket

(22,799 posts)
9. the way i traided to explain it to someone.....
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 03:29 PM
Jan 11

we're all used to water coming out of our taps... but imagine what would happen if everyone on the system all turned on every faucet in their house full blast at the same time... not enough water pressure is available for that scenario.

Midnight Writer

(23,397 posts)
12. I live in the very last house at the edge of town.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 03:48 PM
Jan 11

Every weekday afternoon around 4 PM my internet slows to a crawl.

Seems that when the kids get home from school and the parents get home from work, they all go online.

Since my house is at the end of the line, the heavy traffic means my internet slows to a trickle.

I reckon something similar happens to water lines.

Hugin

(35,403 posts)
23. Moving water uphill is very expensive.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 06:46 AM
Jan 12

Refresh rates are always a fraction of potential peak discharge rates. Everywhere.

That’s why there’s tanks up there.

This is true of any utility. Electric and gas also have short peak surges built into their systems.

It’s math and physics. I wouldn’t expect loudmouth Retrumplicans to understand.

If anyone is still reading this post, let me know.

Sure, the system could be designed for the peak refresh rate to match discharge. If the water is available, but it’s the middle of an 8 month global warming induced drought. That’s a different topic.

Building systems that way is extremely inefficient and expensive. (I suppose Eloon would know all about it. ) The additional equipment would sit there unused 99.999 to 100% of the time and would have to be maintained and tested pending a black swan scenario. Have I mentioned expensive?

All of that money for these contingency systems would have to come from bonds or taxes, because no investor in their right mind is going to lay down cash to support a system like that. There’s no ROI.

I am willing to bet a simple Internet search (You wouldn’t even need to use AI. ) would yield decades of Retrumplicans whining about paying taxes, which would ultimately be used for things even more critical than this. Such as child care, Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.

Oh, wait! There’s an incoming administration which has dedicated itself to slashing taxes. So, no search is needed.

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