Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
 

tenderfoot

(8,982 posts)
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 07:55 PM Jan 11

DU Males... WTF does this even mean? Zuckerberg Says Most Companies Need More 'Masculine Energy'

Mark Zuckerberg lamented the rise of “culturally neutered” companies that have sought to distance themselves from “masculine energy,” adding that it’s good if a culture “celebrates the aggression a bit more.”

“Masculine energy I think is good, and obviously society has plenty of that, but I think that corporate culture was really trying to get away from it,” Zuckerberg said during a nearly three-hour-long conversation with podcaster Joe Rogan published on Friday.

“It’s like you want feminine energy, you want masculine energy,” Zuckerberg said during the episode of The Joe Rogan Experience. “I think that that’s all good. But I do think the corporate culture sort of had swung toward being this somewhat more neutered thing,” he added, before discussing his passions for mixed martial arts and hunting invasive pigs in Hawaii.

Zuckerberg, who launched his career by rating the attractiveness of women at Harvard University, added that he grew up with three sisters and has three daughters, and wants women to succeed in corporations.

“If you’re a woman going into a company, it probably feels like it’s too masculine. It’s — there isn’t enough of the energy that you may naturally have,” he told Rogan. “You want women to be able to succeed and have companies that can unlock all the value from having great people no matter what their background or gender.”

more: https://archive.ph/ugNmr
98 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
DU Males... WTF does this even mean? Zuckerberg Says Most Companies Need More 'Masculine Energy' (Original Post) tenderfoot Jan 11 OP
It means "stop hiring women and never hire gays" DBoon Jan 11 #1
Which is ironic given how much he is fellating Trump right now LonePirate Jan 11 #48
but that's masculine homosexual activity DBoon Jan 11 #62
It is meaningless ass-kissing to please pseudo-manly Trump/Musk whiners by a pathetic creep and liar emulatorloo Jan 11 #2
There it is, all in a headline ornotna Jan 11 #12
Exactly underpants Jan 11 #52
Says Zuckerberg, the ultimate DWEEB... hlthe2b Jan 11 #3
Yep. He's sorta well-schooled on the subject of masculine energy. Knows it when he sees it. nt allegorical oracle Jan 11 #7
He has no masculine energy at all. Irish_Dem Jan 11 #20
I wonder if this recent outburst stems from marital problems. yardwork Jan 12 #75
Usually the toxic masculinity talk means trouble in the bedroom. Irish_Dem Jan 12 #78
the Ultimate Incel RainCaster Jan 11 #49
Well, he had enough "masculine energy" TexasBushwhacker Jan 11 #67
Says zuckerberg, the ultimate asshole, monster and Anti-Christ Trueblue1968 Jan 12 #89
It means Zuck is a prick calguy Jan 11 #4
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 11 #10
You seem nice ornotna Jan 11 #13
and bye-bye! Lulu KC Jan 11 #22
I'll take "Things a MAGA Would Say" for $500, Alex. eShirl Jan 11 #5
Exactly. "Masculine energy" is a dog whistle for MAGA & "It's a Man's World" Bluetus Jan 11 #21
Well said, Bluetus. Diamond_Dog Jan 11 #24
That is not the campaign I witnessed MagickMuffin Jan 12 #69
What was the biggest, boldest proposal that Harris presented Bluetus Jan 12 #74
I agree with you on this. yardwork Jan 12 #76
Promises vs ideas vs vision vs challenges ? Bluetus Jan 12 #84
I agree. yardwork Jan 12 #86
The corporate money makes it stick Bluetus Jan 12 #88
Every campaign event her platform was being addressed and discussed MagickMuffin Jan 12 #92
I'm not sure the point is getting across. Bluetus Jan 12 #95
With that Prince Valiant hair style he previously wore for years and now whatever... brush Jan 11 #6
I believe the haircut is meant to look like Augustus Caesar DBoon Jan 11 #11
Heehee. Whatever it is, he should look in the mirror again. brush Jan 11 #14
I think the mirror would crack in disgust DBoon Jan 11 #61
Zuckerberg... Musk... Trump.... viva la Jan 11 #8
Fascism JBTaurus83 Jan 11 #9
Dickishness seems like an apt word for what he probably thinks of as masculine energy. dgauss Jan 11 #15
Means the idiot don't feel so good. elleng Jan 11 #16
Cut throat competition both inhouse among coworkers,... and external,... magicarpet Jan 11 #17
Joe Rogan podcast is a misogynist safe space Johonny Jan 11 #18
Oh good! That must mean that Zuckerberg is actually DEI-friendly no_hypocrisy Jan 11 #19
It means he's feeling insecure about himself as a straight man. Think. Again. Jan 11 #23
Consider the podcast's audience. Intractable Jan 11 #25
"It is not enough to win ... the opponent must be destroyed!" dobleremolque Jan 11 #26
Sounds like somebody just finished the first season of Mad Men. Xavier Breath Jan 11 #27
Translation program says it's Zuckerspeak for "I'm a halfwit" struggle4progress Jan 11 #28
It may mean that one of his biggest weaknesses taxi Jan 11 #29
It's not just minimizing women. Renew Deal Jan 11 #40
Sounds like he's watching a little too much...wrestling. RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Jan 11 #30
Are Dancin' Don and Elon Acrobat icons of Energetic Males? Ping Tung Jan 11 #31
I guess Twain meant that to be funny LearnedHand Jan 11 #68
Except Mossfern Jan 12 #83
When I was working in television, I was denied a job WhiteTara Jan 11 #32
In my field I inhibit them from swearing. milestogo Jan 12 #90
Fuck if I know sakabatou Jan 11 #33
Maybe it's a Joe Rogan thing. mn9driver Jan 11 #34
Easy answer: some bullshit. Initech Jan 11 #35
It means Facebook will probably have more sexual harassment lawsuits! ExciteBike66 Jan 11 #36
It means Zuck is a pissant. nt The Unmitigated Gall Jan 11 #37
Men who have to "POMP UP" and put on a show are weak inside. REAL men are strong without the show, and compassionate. usonian Jan 11 #38
I don't know why you are asking just the men. Renew Deal Jan 11 #39
And more steroids Renew Deal Jan 12 #73
I'm just asking men because they know more about "masculinity" than I do. tenderfoot Jan 12 #79
Zuckerberg wants higher aggression levels in corporations because there isn't enough greed? Bread and Circuses Jan 11 #41
American Psycho was a documentary Johonny Jan 11 #42
I'm getting so gd sick and tired of the anti woman cancer in this country Diamond_Dog Jan 11 #43
They're trying to legitimize their male toxic culture. Baitball Blogger Jan 11 #44
Hey, Zuck! Aristus Jan 11 #45
Does he consider himself masculine? mzmolly Jan 11 #46
More masculine energy. Norbert Jan 11 #47
Everything that he says and does now seems like there are problems in his marriage. Yavin4 Jan 11 #50
It means Mark Zuckerberg mr715 Jan 11 #51
It means Zuck is the same weirdo P.O.S. incel (in spirit if not fact) he was when RockRaven Jan 11 #53
Sounds like he's wanting to have a circle jerk without calling it a circle jerk. Solly Mack Jan 11 #54
Small dick edhopper Jan 11 #55
I don't even think Zuck knows what that means Docreed2003 Jan 11 #56
Maybe he's projecting. marble falls Jan 11 #57
August 26, 1970 needs to happen again SARose Jan 11 #58
It means he's an insecure prick DET Jan 11 #59
coming from the oh so masculine pfitz59 Jan 11 #60
Dude is about as masculine as a wet towel. JanMichael Jan 11 #63
Thinks men should think with their little head and not their big head. multigraincracker Jan 11 #64
Says the guy who wanted all to wear goggles and live in a cartoonish virtual world. John1956PA Jan 11 #65
Our new white, rich male overlords are all very crazy and a disturbed bunch. Irish_Dem Jan 12 #70
Here is one example shown on the Meta avatar site: John1956PA Jan 12 #71
These figures are hostile, aggressive and quite disturbed. Irish_Dem Jan 12 #72
It doesn't matter because Trumpers don't ever worry about nuance Blue_Tires Jan 11 #66
From the jackass who said holocaust deniers have a legitimate point of view. JohnSJ Jan 12 #77
Replace Energy with Dominance, and you begin to understand getagrip_already Jan 12 #80
Zuckerberg is one person I would never consider 'masculine', never. He's a dweeb, and just because he has some SWBTATTReg Jan 12 #81
Our "genius" nerds are...kinda dumb? Prairie Gates Jan 12 #82
What the hell does this face know about "masculine energy?" Lunabell Jan 12 #85
Zukerberg is a MAGA asshole LetMyPeopleVote Jan 12 #87
Schmuckerberg is not at all that masculine... rasputin1952 Jan 12 #91
Take Muskrat with you hunting pigs Maeve Jan 12 #93
He would get his ass kicked in every fair contest among hard men. Ursus Rex Jan 12 #94
So i asked my husband - just now JustAnotherGen Jan 12 #96
It's 10:43 JustAnotherGen Jan 12 #97
Yeah, Zuckerberg is all about that Big Dick(head) Energy. LudwigPastorius Jan 13 #98

DBoon

(23,389 posts)
1. It means "stop hiring women and never hire gays"
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 07:58 PM
Jan 11

"They suck the masculine energy out of companies like vampires. Oh, and I don't mean to insult women. If you were insulted you don't get it"

DBoon

(23,389 posts)
62. but that's masculine homosexual activity
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 10:26 PM
Jan 11

It's not feminine like showing compassion and helping those who are weak and injured

emulatorloo

(45,727 posts)
2. It is meaningless ass-kissing to please pseudo-manly Trump/Musk whiners by a pathetic creep and liar
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 07:59 PM
Jan 11

yardwork

(65,230 posts)
75. I wonder if this recent outburst stems from marital problems.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 12:58 PM
Jan 12

I was thinking the other day that Zuckerberg is the only headline billionaire who is still married to his first wife. I wonder if they're having problems.

Normally I'd feel bad about putting baseless speculation like this on the internet, but Zuck says it's fine.

Irish_Dem

(62,819 posts)
78. Usually the toxic masculinity talk means trouble in the bedroom.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 01:10 PM
Jan 12

He should just take some damn viagra and leave us the H alone.

RainCaster

(11,948 posts)
49. the Ultimate Incel
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 09:24 PM
Jan 11

Promising to suck TSF as long as it takes.

Note to fact checkers, this statement may not be true, but you have my permission to copy this to every page on Facebook.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,809 posts)
67. Well, he had enough "masculine energy"
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 10:38 PM
Jan 11

to essentially rip off his partners in developing Facebook.

Response to calguy (Reply #4)

Bluetus

(514 posts)
21. Exactly. "Masculine energy" is a dog whistle for MAGA & "It's a Man's World"
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 08:18 PM
Jan 11

And ultimately that is why Trump won. Dems put everything into the abortion issue. While that had a lot of energy from women, it also catalyzed the men who are threatened by women having agency. I was always afraid that was a big risk of what amounted to a single-issue campaign, and we are paying the price.

It is a real problem because, while almost all of us here believe strongly in women having agency over their bodies, we cannot allow that to be the primary message. It is just too threatening to too many millions of scared little men. And it is a particular problem when we can't seem to articulate in any consistent and persuasive terms, any other idea that we feel strongly about.

We had better figure out what we believe in and learn how to sell those ideas to the average American.

MagickMuffin

(17,305 posts)
69. That is not the campaign I witnessed
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 03:06 AM
Jan 12


Harris Walz campaign had several issues not just this one issue.

Obviously, the campaign couldn’t even reach some democrats!


Bluetus

(514 posts)
74. What was the biggest, boldest proposal that Harris presented
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 12:46 PM
Jan 12

other than abortion?

And I'n not talking concepts. I'm talking about a real proposal that could be enacted as legislation. The only one I recall was something about first time home buyers.

Little ideas don't move the needle.

NO. SMALL. IDEAS.

That's not a criticism of Harris specifically. Democrats haven't broadly supported any big ideas since Apollo.

Trump had lots of specific ideas. They were all terrible, but there were bold and specific. A terrible idea beats no idea, every day of the week. And no, being AGAINST a bad idea is not the same thing as having your own bold vision.

yardwork

(65,230 posts)
76. I agree with you on this.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 01:05 PM
Jan 12

We saw this problem in 2016 as well. The Republicans tell big, bold lies and make big, bold promises.

The Democrats try to tell the truth. Our candidates try to control expectations. They explain the details, the nuances. There's always "we hope to do such and so."

The American public has the attention span of a gnat. Many people don't read lengthy articles or books. Intellectual laziness has replaced the desire to learn the truth. People are angry, emotionally riled up. We've lost the sense of economic expansion and growing prosperity that average people felt after WWII. People feel that they're losing ground and they don't have patience for vague plans or nuances.

People are hungry for bold promises.

Bluetus

(514 posts)
84. Promises vs ideas vs vision vs challenges ?
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 03:05 PM
Jan 12

You wrote "People are hungry for bold promises."

Being honest and grounded in reality are not bad things. But that doesn't really motivate people. People are motivated by being challenged with big, bold ideas.

Democrats have this disease where we negotiate against ourselves. Let me give an example. Resolved: We should extend Medicare to people of any age by allowing those under age 65 simply to pay a premium that covers the ACTUAL COST of their age cohort (with no extra corporate profits, shareholder dividends and lavish executive salaries)

Democrats would come up with 100 reasons why this wouldn't work before the idea was stated in public.
* HHS can't handle the workload
* All the corporations would fight it
* How could we ever manage collections?
* Think of all the UHC workers that would lose their jobs
and so on.

It has literally been 60 years (JFK - Apollo or LBJ - Great Society) since Democrats had ANY big, bold ideas. The last 3 generations of Dems have mastered the art of negative thinking. It wasn't always this way. FDR was continuously on the march with big bold ideas.

We lost our way a long time ago. There are many good, smart progressives in the party today. We need to get rid of the ones who have done nothing but negative thinking for decades. They are doing no good for anybody.

yardwork

(65,230 posts)
86. I agree.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 04:06 PM
Jan 12

I don't understand it. I feel as if there is a missing piece I don't know about. I suspect it has to do with needing corporate money in order to get elected.

Citizens United makes it almost impossible to have a democracy.

Bluetus

(514 posts)
88. The corporate money makes it stick
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 05:21 PM
Jan 12

But basically, no national Dems in the past 50 years have been in a system where politics was "the art of the possible". Clinton had a little of that. Obama had a little of that. But they both dealt with Congresses where the possibilities simply weren't a consideration. It all became process. And the Republicans have been a lot better at process than we have been.

The Republicans identified some "red meat" issues that the top 0.1% didn't really care about (abortion, immigration, guns, replacing public schools with Christian madrasas, etc.) They made those issues the battleground, when in fact, their real goal was to serve the corporations and billionaires. That put Dems in a position of opposing on abortion, immigration, guns, replacing public schools with Christian madrasas, while we were not in a position to do much for the people with the big bucks.

It has been a long, slow 60-year slide, punctuated by occasional victories here and there to give the party enough false hope so that we never really changed strategies. And even now, there is great resistance to the necessary changes.

MagickMuffin

(17,305 posts)
92. Every campaign event her platform was being addressed and discussed
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 09:00 PM
Jan 12


It appears that quite a few DUers didn’t even knew about her platform!

I provided the campaign website that addresses our platform but I also provided it here as well for others to understand that the Harris Walz ticket was not solely about women’s rights.

More info here: https://kamalaharris.com/issues/

Cut Taxes for Middle Class Families
Vice President Harris and Governor Walz believe that working families deserve a break. That’s why under their plan more than 100 million working and middle-class Americans will get a tax cut. They will do this by restoring two tax cuts designed to help middle class and working Americans: the Child Tax Credit and the Earned Income Tax Credit. Through these two programs, millions of Americans get to keep more of their hard-earned income. They will also expand the Child Tax Credit to provide a $6,000 tax cut to families with newborn children. They believe no child in America should live in poverty, and these actions would have a historic impact.
Unlike Donald Trump, Vice President Harris and Governor Walz are committed to ensuring no one earning less than $400,000 a year will pay more in taxes. They believe that we need to chart a New Way Forward by both making our tax system fairer and prioritizing investment and innovation. They will ensure the wealthiest Americans and the largest corporations pay their fair share, so we can take action to build up the middle class while reducing the deficit. This includes rolling back Trump’s tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, enacting a billionaire minimum tax, quadrupling the tax on stock buybacks, and other reforms to ensure the very wealthy are playing by the same rules as the middle class. Under her plan, the tax rate on long-term capital gains for those earning a million dollars a year or more will be 28 percent, because when the government encourages investment, it leads to broad-based economic growth and creates jobs, which makes our economy stronger.

Make Rent More Affordable and Home Ownership More Attainable
Vice President Harris has always stood up for renters and homeowners — as Attorney General of California, she took on the big banks to deliver $20 billion for middle-class families who faced foreclosure and helped pass a homeowner bill of rights, one of the first of its kind in the nation.
Vice President Harris knows that a home is more than a house — it represents financial security and an opportunity to build intergenerational wealth. But for too many Americans, homeownership is too far out of reach. Vice President Harris has put forward a comprehensive plan to build three million more rental units and homes that are affordable to end the national housing supply crisis in her first term. And she will cut red tape to make sure we build more housing faster and penalize firms that hoard available homes to drive up prices for local homebuyers. Vice President Harris knows rent is too high and will sign legislation to outlaw new forms of price fixing by corporate landlords.
As more new homes are built and affordable housing supply increases, Vice President Harris will provide first-time homebuyers with up to $25,000 to help with their down payments, with more generous support for first-generation homeowners. This will help more Americans experience the pride of homeownership and the financial security that it represents and brings — offering more Americans a path to the middle class and economic opportunity.

Grow Small Businesses and Invest in Entrepreneurs
Vice President Harris and Governor Walz know that small businesses — neighborhood shops, high-tech startups, small manufacturers, and more — are the engines of our economy. Just as she did as Senator and Vice President, Kamala Harris will always support small businesses and invest in entrepreneurs as president.
She has led the Biden-Harris Administration’s efforts to increase access to capital for small businesses and bring venture capital to parts of middle America that have for too long been overlooked, driving a record 19 million new business applications, tripling the Small Business Administration’s lending to Black-owned businesses, and more than doubling small-dollar lending to Latino and women-owned businesses. She has also championed expanding federal contracts for minority-owned small businesses.
As part of her Opportunity Economy agenda, she has put forward a plan to help small businesses and entrepreneurs innovate and grow. She has set an ambitious goal of 25 million new business applications by the end of her first term — over 10 million more than Trump saw during his term. To help achieve this, she will expand the startup expense tax deduction for new businesses from $5,000 to $50,000 and take on the everyday obstacles and red tape that can make it harder to grow a small business. She will drive venture capital to the talent that exists all across our country including in rural areas, and increase the share of federal contract dollars going to small businesses.

Take on Bad Actors and Bring Down Costs
As Attorney General of California, Kamala Harris took on the big banks to deliver for homeowners, stood up for veterans and students being scammed by for-profit colleges, and fought for workers and seniors who were defrauded.
As President, she will direct her Administration to crack down on anti-competitive practices that let big corporations jack up prices and undermine the competition that allows all businesses to thrive while keeping prices low for consumers. And she will go after bad actors who exploit an emergency to rip off consumers by calling for the first-ever federal ban on corporate price gouging on food and groceries, which will build on the anti-price gouging statutes already in place in 37 states.
Just as she did as Vice President, she will take on Big Pharma to lower drug prices and cap insulin costs, not just for seniors but for all Americans. And she’ll keep fighting to bring down prescription drug costs by taking on pharmacy middlemen, who raise consumers’ prices for their own gain and squeeze independent pharmacies’ profits.

Strengthen and Bring Down the Cost of Health Care
As Attorney General of California, Kamala Harris took on insurance companies and Big Pharma and got them to lower prices. As a Senator, she fought Donald Trump’s attempts to repeal the Affordable Care Act.
Vice President Harris will make affordable health care a right, not a privilege by expanding and strengthening the Affordable Care Act and making permanent the Biden-Harris tax credit enhancements that are lowering health care premiums by an average of about $800 a year for millions of Americans. She’ll build on the Biden-Harris Administration’s successes in bringing down the cost of lifesaving prescription drugs for Medicare beneficiaries by extending the $35 cap on insulin and $2,000 cap on out-of-pocket spending for seniors to all Americans. Her tie-breaking vote on the Inflation Reduction Act gave Medicare the power to go toe to toe with Big Pharma and negotiate lower drug prices. As President, she’ll accelerate the negotiations to cover more drugs and lower prices for Americans. As Vice President, she also announced that medical debt will be removed from credit reports, and helped cancel $7 billion of medical debt for 3 million Americans. As President, she’ll work with states to cancel medical debt for even more Americans.
And Vice President Harris has led the Administration’s efforts to combat maternal mortality. Women nationwide are dying from childbirth at higher rates than in any other developed nation. The Vice President called on states to extend Medicaid postpartum coverage from two months to twelve: today, 46 states do so — up from just three near the Administration’s start.

Protect and Strengthen Social Security and Medicare
Vice President Harris will protect Social Security and Medicare against relentless attacks from Donald Trump and his extreme allies. She will strengthen Social Security and Medicare for the long haul by making millionaires and billionaires pay their fair share in taxes. She will always fight to ensure that Americans can count on getting the benefits they earned.

Support American Innovation and Workers
Working with President Biden, Vice President Harris helped pass landmark legislation — the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, the CHIPS and Science Act, the Inflation Reduction Act, and the American Rescue Plan — that has supported more than 60,000 infrastructure projects, spurred more than $900 billion in private sector investments, and doubled investments in construction of new manufacturing facilities. This has included investing billions to help connect all Americans to accessible, affordable internet. After decades of offshoring, manufacturing is returning across America, from major cities to rural counties, creating good-paying jobs, including union jobs and jobs for those without college degrees. Under the Biden-Harris Administration, more than 1.6 million manufacturing and construction jobs have been created and American workers are rebuilding roads and bridges using materials made in America. Three times more auto jobs per month have been created under their watch than under the Trump Administration—even before the pandemic. And with these investments, the Biden-Harris Administration is showing how America can meet the moment and build the industries of the future while creating high-quality union jobs in the electric vehicle and battery supply chains.
As President, Kamala Harris will build on this Administration’s progress to ensure American industries and workers thrive. Vice President Harris will continue to support American leadership in semiconductors, clean energy, AI, and other cutting edge industries of the future. She’ll also fight for unions, because as Vice President of the most pro-labor administration in history, she knows that unions are the backbone of the middle class. She’ll sign landmark pro-union legislation, including the PRO Act to support workers who choose to organize and bargain and the Public Service Freedom to Negotiate Act to make the freedom for public service workers to form unions the law of the land. During her leadership as Vice President, unions representing those from auto workers to truck drivers to care workers won record wage increases amidst record job creation with clear support for the right to collectively bargain from the White House. Vice President Harris will not tolerate unfair trade practices from China or any competitor that undermines American workers.
She’ll fight to raise the minimum wage, end sub-minimum wages for tipped workers and people with disabilities, establish paid family and medical leave, and eliminate taxes on tips for service and hospitality workers.

Provide a Pathway to the Middle Class Through Quality, Affordable Education
Vice President Harris will fight to ensure parents can afford high-quality child care and preschool for their children. She will strengthen public education and training as a pathway to the middle class. And she’ll continue working to end the unreasonable burden of student loan debt and fight to make higher education more affordable, so that college can be a ticket to the middle class. To date, Vice President Harris has helped deliver the largest investment in public education in American history, provide nearly $170 billion in student debt relief for almost five million borrowers, and deliver record investments in HBCUs, Tribal Colleges, Hispanic-Serving Institutions, and other minority-serving institutions. She helped more students afford college by increasing the maximum Pell Grant award by $900 — the largest increase in more than a decade — and invested in community colleges. She has implemented policies that have led to over one million registered apprentices being hired, and she will do even more to scale up programs that create good career pathways for non-college graduates.

Invest in Affordable Child Care and Long Term Care
Vice President Harris cast the deciding vote on the American Rescue Plan, which made historic investments in the care economy. As President, she will fight to lower care costs for American families, including by expanding high-quality home care services for seniors and people with disabilities and ensuring hardworking families can afford high-quality child care, all while ensuring that care workers are paid a living wage and treated with the dignity and respect they deserve.

Lower Energy Costs and Tackle the Climate Crisis
As Attorney General, Kamala Harris won tens of millions in settlements against Big Oil and held polluters accountable. As Vice President, she cast the tie-breaking vote to pass the Inflation Reduction Act, the largest investment in climate action in history. This historic work is lowering household energy costs, creating hundreds of thousands of high-quality clean energy jobs, and building a thriving clean energy economy, all while ensuring America’s energy security and independence with record energy production. As President, she will unite Americans to tackle the climate crisis as she builds on this historic work, advances environmental justice, protects public lands and public health, increases resilience to climate disasters, lowers household energy costs, creates millions of new jobs, and continues to hold polluters accountable to secure clean air and water for all. As the Vice President said at the international climate conference, COP28, she knows that meeting this global challenge will require global cooperation and she is committed to continuing and building upon the United States’ international climate leadership. She and Governor Walz will always fight for the freedom to breathe clean air, drink clean water, and live free from the pollution that fuels the climate crisis.

Trump’s Project 2025 Agenda
Vice President Harris’ lowering costs agenda is a stark contrast to Donald Trump’s plans to jack up prices, weaken the middle class, cut Social Security and Medicare, eliminate the Department of Education and preschool programs like Head Start, and end the Affordable Care Act. Project 2025 would give him unprecedented control to implement his destructive agenda, including another handout to his billionaire friends and giant corporations. His plans would increase costs for families by at least $3,900 a year by slapping a Trump sales tax on imported everyday goods that American families rely on, like gas, food, clothing, and medicine. Trump would raise rents and add $1,200 a year to the typical American mortgage. Trump asked Big Oil executives to give his campaign money so he could roll back regulations and cut taxes for Big Oil to boost their profits, and Trump’s plans would push gas prices up. Trump’s economic plans would also trigger a recession by mid-2025, cost America over 3 million jobs, threaten hundreds of thousands of clean energy jobs, increase the debt by over $5 trillion, send inflation skyrocketing, and hurt everyone but the richest Americans.


And in response to your statement Democrats haven’t had any big ideas since Apollo.

You should do more research.


Bluetus

(514 posts)
95. I'm not sure the point is getting across.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 09:34 PM
Jan 12

I have no doubt we can write better white papers than the Republicans. But every word that you cited is a yawner BECAUSE there is nothing bold to latch onto.

For example, you wrote "Vice President Harris will protect Social Security and Medicare against relentless attacks from Donald Trump and his extreme allies. She will strengthen Social Security and Medicare for the long haul by making millionaires and billionaires pay their fair share in taxes. She will always fight to ensure that Americans can count on getting the benefits they earned. "

(Yawn) It says absolutely nothing. What does it mean? What is she going to fight for, specifically?

Now imagine if it were presented this way: "I am going to raise taxes on the billionaires and the richest multinational corporations to the same levels where they were right after WWII when we built the greatest middle class the world has ever seen. Half of that money will go straight into the Social Security and Medicare trust funds, making them solvent into the 22nd century, and allowing us to immediately extend Medicare to everyone 55 and older. And the other half of the money will go to reduce our national debt, giving our children and grandchildren a stronger economic system for the rest of their lives."

Do you see the difference? One is a yawner. The other has major impact. And you can tell the difference because nobody ever said a word about the text you cited, but people would be screaming like crazy if we had gone out with the plan as I wrote it.

Now, here is the crucial point. I don't care if my plan is fully implemented. I recognize that there are many entrenched interests that will fight it. But we WANT that fight. We NEED that fight. Without that kind of emotion, we just keep getting ignored and voters will see no reason to come out for us.

In other words, if people aren't screaming bloody murder, then we didn't say anything that is ever going to move anybody.

brush

(58,660 posts)
6. With that Prince Valiant hair style he previously wore for years and now whatever...
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 08:03 PM
Jan 11

that is on his head, how would he know?

He's just another megat kissing trump's ass, as if ether he or draft avoider trump knew masculinity at all.

Billions and never heard of hair styllist/barber makeover.

viva la

(3,908 posts)
8. Zuckerberg... Musk... Trump....
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 08:04 PM
Jan 11

These oligarchs actually have few of the traditional masculine strengths and virtues. They aren't responsible, honest, loyal, stoic, brave, unselfish, risktaking, protective.... they are just arrogant. That's it.

JBTaurus83

(41 posts)
9. Fascism
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 08:05 PM
Jan 11

Hyper masculinity is associated with fascism. The captains of business are all falling in line. When it comes to money or democracy, the ultra rich will always pick their money. Kamala didn’t pan out, so it’s on to whatever insanity Mango Tits provides.

magicarpet

(17,504 posts)
17. Cut throat competition both inhouse among coworkers,... and external,...
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 08:12 PM
Jan 11

.... dealing with industry competitors. Alpha males are thought to have that killer instinct that give business that needed edge to out wit, out fox, and out perform their contemporaries.

Less woke, less empathy, less compassion. More kill, ravage, kill some more, then totally vanquish.

Women just don't have that inate kill drive within and coded into their DNA. So it makes them deficient in the game for rampant and cut throat competition.

So Fascists think.

no_hypocrisy

(49,886 posts)
19. Oh good! That must mean that Zuckerberg is actually DEI-friendly
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 08:16 PM
Jan 11

and wants to hire more trans and binary applicants.

Intractable

(798 posts)
25. Consider the podcast's audience.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 08:23 PM
Jan 11

As a proportion, how many women listen to Rogan's show?

Zuck is just pandering to Rogan's masculine, sub-average-IQ audience.

dobleremolque

(944 posts)
26. "It is not enough to win ... the opponent must be destroyed!"
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 08:24 PM
Jan 11

A "masculine energy" type I used to work for had an engraved plaque with that saying on the wall behind his desk. Toxic, toxic, toxic!

(Although he did take all the male employees in that office to a strip-joint for his birthday. He felt like he had to coach us on how to handle the lap dance he treated us to. Although it was only one dance by one dancer to be shared among 7 of us. So I guess I only got 1/7th of a lap dance. Toxic. And cheap, too.)

taxi

(2,052 posts)
29. It may mean that one of his biggest weaknesses
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 08:30 PM
Jan 11

is in working alongside women? Does he feels that having more men in the office will minimize and outnumber the accomplishments of the women, or will they protect him from contact with powerful women that frighten him.
The men who do not aggressively minimize women in the workplace are creating this neutered zone, this area of no resistance to the advancement of a woman's creative or successful endeavors.
Because there must always a turn of the knife, another enemy, another obstacle, he now comes for the professional women. What do they say, first they came for the socialists?

Renew Deal

(83,440 posts)
40. It's not just minimizing women.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 08:56 PM
Jan 11

It's minimizing men too.

This statement is trumpian double talk: “It’s like you want feminine energy, you want masculine energy,”

It could be a sign that corporate cultures will be changing the next few years to become less tolerant of tolerance.

Ping Tung

(1,600 posts)
31. Are Dancin' Don and Elon Acrobat icons of Energetic Males?
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 08:31 PM
Jan 11
"What would men be without women? Scarce, sir...mighty scarce."

Mark Twain

LearnedHand

(4,395 posts)
68. I guess Twain meant that to be funny
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 11:21 PM
Jan 11

But these days it just reinforces that women are only good for making babies, and male ones at that.

Mossfern

(3,422 posts)
83. Except
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 02:05 PM
Jan 12

there need be way fewer men than women to make babies.
So then, most men are redundant. (tongue in cheek)

WhiteTara

(30,294 posts)
32. When I was working in television, I was denied a job
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 08:32 PM
Jan 11

as a technical director in the production department, because "the men couldn't fart in the room with a woman present." I think that's what he means. I was, however, suitable for switiching director to switch between programming and commercials.

milestogo

(19,015 posts)
90. In my field I inhibit them from swearing.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 05:32 PM
Jan 12

Unless I swear first and keep it up. But what a sacrifice. Swearing and farting in the workplace should be guaranteed rights in this country.

mn9driver

(4,636 posts)
34. Maybe it's a Joe Rogan thing.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 08:45 PM
Jan 11

Say the magic words and you get likes and an invite to a future show?

usonian

(15,523 posts)
38. Men who have to "POMP UP" and put on a show are weak inside. REAL men are strong without the show, and compassionate.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 08:52 PM
Jan 11


Want to know what kind of creep this buffoon is?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1018&pid=2124941
He's just behind Beavis and Butthead in the "mature" department.

He's the one who put a post-it note on his laptop's camera so he couldn't be spied on, while spying on everyone else.



Renew Deal

(83,440 posts)
39. I don't know why you are asking just the men.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 08:53 PM
Jan 11

Last edited Sun Jan 12, 2025, 09:24 AM - Edit history (2)

I think it means he's fallen completely for the man-o-sphere culture that is not fully on DUers radars. It's a sign that Zuckerberg has or is posturing like he has completely fallen for the algorithm that drives men into incel adjacent content.

For corporate culture, I think he means more business events at strip clubs, more personal attacks of people perceived as inferior at work, less tolerance for "mental health days,” more foul language, and generally a more aggressive environment.

I wonder if it will transfer to work fashion. More 80's Wall Street looks, more leather, less business casual, etc.

 

tenderfoot

(8,982 posts)
79. I'm just asking men because they know more about "masculinity" than I do.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 01:21 PM
Jan 12

And wanted to hear their thoughts on Zuckerberg's definition.

Bread and Circuses

(414 posts)
41. Zuckerberg wants higher aggression levels in corporations because there isn't enough greed?
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 08:57 PM
Jan 11

No. Stop. What fresh new hell is this?

Zuckerberg wants higher aggression levels in corporations because there isn’t enough greed ?
We need:
More anti-union tactics
Less healthy and safety laws.
No consumer protection laws.

The Wild West ain’t seen nothin’ yet, partner.

Next Stop, Mother Russia

https://bsky.app/profile/breadandcircus.bsky.social/post/3lfh6evo3fc22

Aristus

(68,935 posts)
45. Hey, Zuck!
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 09:04 PM
Jan 11

You sweatpants-wearing, keyboard commando!

I was born and raised in Texas to a career military family. I’m a third generation war veteran. I played school football (again: in TEXAS!), and served in the Army as a hard-drinking, rough and ready, grease-monkey tank crewman. How’s that for “masculine energy”? And I’m a bleeding heart, peace and love, campfire, kum-bah-ya LIBERAL!

Liberal till I DIE, motherfucker!

Take your “masculine energy”, and shove it!

Yavin4

(36,871 posts)
50. Everything that he says and does now seems like there are problems in his marriage.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 09:32 PM
Jan 11

I'm getting a strong, soon to be divorced dad vibe from him.

RockRaven

(16,769 posts)
53. It means Zuck is the same weirdo P.O.S. incel (in spirit if not fact) he was when
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 09:44 PM
Jan 11

he started FB in order to perv on female students through his computer screen instead of interacting with them like human beings.

Docreed2003

(18,022 posts)
56. I don't even think Zuck knows what that means
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 09:55 PM
Jan 11

It's seems like there's a strong contingent of RWers who have this romanticized idea of what "manhood" means. These folks would look at movies with stereotypical a-holes and jocks as villains from the 80's and actually try to emulate the behavior of the bad guy. Why else would some smoothbrained, asshole like Joe Rogan have such a massive fan base?

SARose

(1,105 posts)
58. August 26, 1970 needs to happen again
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 10:11 PM
Jan 11
Photo Archive

On August 26, 1970, more than thirty thousand women marched down Fifth Avenue demanding equal rights, better child care assistance, and the right to medical abortion. Sponsored by the National Organization for Women (NOW), the Women's Strike for Equality marked women's liberation as a national movement.

I was 20 years old and I suddenly realized I could follow a different life path than my Mother and Grandmothers.

Maybe a Day without a Woman would open some eyes.

JanMichael

(25,400 posts)
63. Dude is about as masculine as a wet towel.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 10:27 PM
Jan 11

Looks like an alien and sounds like one too.

Got that real man vibe, right....

multigraincracker

(34,684 posts)
64. Thinks men should think with their little head and not their big head.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 10:33 PM
Jan 11

Results are they become their asshole.

John1956PA

(3,578 posts)
65. Says the guy who wanted all to wear goggles and live in a cartoonish virtual world.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 10:38 PM
Jan 11

Zuck the shmuck renamed his company with the "Meta" moniker and invested billions trying to suck us all into a virtual world where we would all appear as cartoon avatars. I can not think of any concept which is more contrary to the masculine lust for taking on the challenges of reality.

Irish_Dem

(62,819 posts)
70. Our new white, rich male overlords are all very crazy and a disturbed bunch.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 07:25 AM
Jan 12

I did not know about the cartoon avatars.

These men operate at a young child level.

Irish_Dem

(62,819 posts)
72. These figures are hostile, aggressive and quite disturbed.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 07:38 AM
Jan 12

The aggressive body parts and some missing body parts.

Dangerous and aggressive, if someone drew these figures in my office when I was a therapist
I would be quite concerned.

 

Blue_Tires

(57,596 posts)
66. It doesn't matter because Trumpers don't ever worry about nuance
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 10:38 PM
Jan 11

All Rogan and his listeners will remember is Zuckerberg saying "masculine energy" all the news headlines will mention "masculine energy" and it will "mean" whatever the Trumpers want it to mean...

JohnSJ

(97,192 posts)
77. From the jackass who said holocaust deniers have a legitimate point of view.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 01:08 PM
Jan 12

Why would people expect antlers from the jerk.


getagrip_already

(17,624 posts)
80. Replace Energy with Dominance, and you begin to understand
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 01:37 PM
Jan 12

To "leaders" like zucker, corporations are under too many restrictions to dominate female employees. The women can file civil suits, the feds or state can bring charges, and men can't fire or intimidate employees at any level.

It's all about power and control.

When I first enetered the workforce in the late 70's, women had secondary roles. Low level managers and supervisors, but nobody in senior positions. Young women were hired in as secretaries and other traditionally female roles, absolutely subservient to male managers. Many were preyed upon by players with power over them.

Sexual harassment was common. Office drug parties and sex assault weren't unheard of. For the most part, there were no protections.

That's what the zucker wants to get back to.

SWBTATTReg

(24,663 posts)
81. Zuckerberg is one person I would never consider 'masculine', never. He's a dweeb, and just because he has some
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 01:41 PM
Jan 12

money, he feels like his opinions are important.

I think not.

Prairie Gates

(3,890 posts)
82. Our "genius" nerds are...kinda dumb?
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 01:48 PM
Jan 12

Fetishization of STEM was a mistake. It produces an extremely limited worldview that is susceptible to the dumbest of retrogressive concepts. If an undergraduate talked this way you'd think he was an idiot. This is one of the richest and most influential people on the planet. Dangerous and embarrassing.

Lunabell

(7,223 posts)
85. What the hell does this face know about "masculine energy?"
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 03:46 PM
Jan 12


I feel sorry for his wife having to look at that while trying to orgasm. Eeeww"

rasputin1952

(83,436 posts)
91. Schmuckerberg is not at all that masculine...
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 05:56 PM
Jan 12

He looks like a wayward teenager still trying to figure out how to tie his sneakers to "look cool".

I'm nothing special, but let me give this a shot from 73 years of experience:

1. Treat people with respect.
2. Don't look for a fight.
3. A high-priced education does not mean you can fix the toilet.
4. Put the seat down when you're done.
5. Do not allow harassment in the workplace.
6. Learn how to listen.
7. Act your age.
8. Never look down upon others.
9. Defend the defenseless.
10. Never let anyone go hungry.
11. Be a positive role model.
12. Smile, don't sneer.
13. Realize that money does not equate to intelligence.
14. Love and enjoy animals and nature.
15. Perform at least one Random Act of Kindness per day.

Short list, I know, I could go on, and urge others to add to it. I have never had a "Charmed Life".
I've been to war, worked many jobs, I never thought of demeaning anyone (caveat: if they demean me, women, the helpless, my family, I'm a raging tiger).
If I looked him in the eye, he'd melt like butter in the hot sun.
I'm just a man who learned a lot over the years and I'm more masculine than he could ever be.

Ursus Rex

(312 posts)
94. He would get his ass kicked in every fair contest among hard men.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 09:14 PM
Jan 12

But he’s always had an advantage and thinks it’s his masculine energy, when it’s actually the “feminine” strengths of patience and strategy that have been his key to success. He still wants to be and beat the Winkelvoss twins.

Fwiw, he’s also into MMA and eating high-fat, “paleo” diets. Yet another guy who fantasizes about being the strong man he never could be while ignoring his actual power bc he thinks it’s feminine.

JustAnotherGen

(34,221 posts)
96. So i asked my husband - just now
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 10:20 PM
Jan 12

Warning 1: language
Warning 2 : You have to imagine a guy off the plane from.Italy, who lived in the Bronx until he was 12' went back to Italy, then came back to NJ 24 years ago.

You have to HEAR the accent.


"What is masculine energy?"

The Gio:

Testosterone? What the fuck do I know?

So I start to explain its a quote from Mark Zucker -

The Gio:

Stop! Adri stop! It's something we have in a blacksmith studio and that fucking guy can't even cut down a fucking tree, split it, and start a fire. He needs to get the fuck outta here with that! This fucking guy.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»DU Males... WTF does this...