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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTrump has to destroy Gov. Newsom.
Gavin Newsom is a rising Dem star and a potential rival to Trump and the GOP leaders and losers.
Trump is just getting started.
irisblue
(34,588 posts)Butterflylady
(4,136 posts)pandr32
(12,449 posts)I've heard it said.
MadameButterfly
(2,300 posts)whether either of them run or not. Newsome is too articulate and can be effective calling Trump out. Plus, Trump is jealous of real talent because deep inside he knows he's incompetent himself (which is why he has to brag constantly and quiet his opponents)
malaise
(280,403 posts)Donvict is a lame fuck I mean duck no I mean fuck😀
Trump intends to run again.
He has said many times that he thinks his first term should not be counted
because he was harassed.
And he told everyone votes no longer matter.
Who exactly will stop him if he runs again?
Besides he is working for Putin, the billionaires and the GOP.
He does what they want and they don't want a powerful, smart, popular Dem rising star to contend with.
Clouds Passing
(3,449 posts)Irish_Dem
(62,819 posts)malaise
(280,403 posts)He sure has a criminal blabbermouth mouth.
Irish_Dem
(62,819 posts)But he is a baby and gets his feelings hurt at the drop of a hat.
Typical of narcissists. They dish it out all the time, trash talking everyone all the time.
But cannot stand a hint of criticism themselves.
and then threatening those calling him out
bullying will at some time will be tampered down.
malaise
(280,403 posts)Eff them
scum and his wife too.
brush
(58,660 posts)the Constitution. A tremendous conflict will arise.
IMO if won't happen. There are many other rethug governors, senators etc who have presidential ambitions and will attempt to block him.
This is all contingent of course on whether he successfully establishes a fascist dictatorship.
Irish_Dem
(62,819 posts)Create conflict, chaos, division.
Putin is using the old divide and conquer strategy.
This is 100% apparent.
NO ONE has tried to block Trump and been successful. NO ONE.
The US government folded like a cheap lawn chair.
Congress, the Courts, the DOJ.
The American people.
Trump will do what he wants.
The women he assaulted are the only ones who have told the fucking first felon "No!".
You are right. It's very disheartening how he has bullied our entire system. The right wanted him initially because of his "businessman" persona, yet it was all a fraud. His corporation was run like a low life mob boss with fraud, more fraud, blackmail and bribery but mostly blackmail.
Irish_Dem
(62,819 posts)They think they will be totally immune.
Yes women are the only ones standing up to Trump.
The men have all folded.
Interesting isn't it?
bdamomma
(67,234 posts)I agree that this is Putin's number 1 goal to break the USA apart, but even a tyrant like Putin will get his comeuppance. The Oligarchs and Tech Bros will fight tooth and nail to see who can claw their way to the top.
Go at fellas, go at it. I have this weird feeling that his base, will be awfully sorry to see what they have voted for.
homegirl
(1,626 posts)will collaborate to time the impeachment of Trump to allow Vance to serve the last two years of FELONOTUS Trump's second term. Then the GOP dominated Congress will wind it up, Vance will be eligible to run for two additional terms.
dalton99a
(85,903 posts)DENVERPOPS
(10,617 posts)Who said: The voting doesn't matter....what matters is WHO counts the Vote. That probably was definitely the case in the 2000, 2004, 2016, and 2024 election.........And will probably be the case moving forward with the amount of power and money the Republicans have accumulated, and the USSC thrown in on top of it all...........The USSC's interjection, in the 2000 election, despite the constitution not allowing it, will be marked as a turning point for their tyranny.......
travelingthrulife
(1,406 posts)Earned him Chief Justice.
rampartd
(1,377 posts)"congress must pass legislation to prevent a candidate from appearing on the ballot"
they would decide the same, i guess, if non american musk or underage barron trump runs in 2028
if trump is still alive in 2028 , and if HE decides an election is necessary, he will run.
trump's head in a jar of formaldehyde would win.
Mountainguy
(1,285 posts)If they want to say 3rd terms are ok again, then fine. We nominate Barack Obama.
chicoescuela
(1,806 posts)Grim Reaper does us all a huge favor soon. Our friend the Reaper is the only thing standing in the way of a third term,
True Blue American
(18,342 posts)Blue_Tires
(57,596 posts)Take their electoral college votes off the books
Irish_Dem
(62,819 posts)Nice coincidence for them isn't it?
Hmmmmmmmm
Irish_Dem
(62,819 posts)And also a nice touch in the plan is that Newsom cannot fight back against Trump.
He desperately needs ongoing federal help so has to kiss the ring.
lame54
(37,387 posts)He and his goons couldn't be happier about this
Just as he's about to take control, the Mighty California- his biggest obstacle - is being compromised
There is no catastrophe they will not exploit
Irish_Dem
(62,819 posts)They are thrilled every time.
yellow dahlia
(1,014 posts)The ATF is investigating the origins of the fire(s). Do you think the investigation will continue after the 20th?
Irish_Dem
(62,819 posts)Of course not.
Frank D. Lincoln
(894 posts)Was it arson?
I wonder if we'll ever know.
Turbineguy
(38,674 posts)with his junior high name calling.
Irish_Dem
(62,819 posts)The nastier Trump is, the more they adore him.
Evolve Dammit
(19,718 posts)bdamomma
(67,234 posts)that felon opens his pie hole he is making enemies. He will rattle several cages, and people/countries will react.
Bullies never win.
sop
(12,301 posts)It's shaping up to be quite the battle.
kimbutgar
(23,984 posts)And he knows how to smack back the 🍊💩🤡 .
Irish_Dem
(62,819 posts)He needs Trump desperately now for federal aid and assistance.
sop
(12,301 posts)Irish_Dem
(62,819 posts)GOP congress is already against aid to CA.
The courts. NO
The people. NO
If I had ten bucks for every time someone lectured me about what Trump can do and not do,
and then he turns around and does exactly that, I would be rich.
sop
(12,301 posts)and big corporate interests in Californai who would suffer much more. Trump will huff and puff, make all kinds of noise and threaten Newsom, but he knows he can't deny aid and assistance to the people of California. Trump is an imbecile, he might listen to the wrong people at Mar-a-Lago and stupidly deny aid to California, but it would be the biggest mistake of his second term, even before it begins.
Irish_Dem
(62,819 posts)Trump is totally pay to play now.
Trump helping CA most certainly will not be seen as a mistake by the GOP and MAGAs.
GOP congress is already saying they don't want to give CA any aid.
And the MAGAs will love hurting liberals.
In fact it will hurt Trump if he helps CA.
sop
(12,301 posts)However, I believe it would be a politically untenable and unprecedented position for a U.S. president to deny federal aid to one particular state after a devastating natural disaster solely for partisan reasons. And if it looks like Trump is trying to extort Newsom, denying Californians much-needed federal aid while they suffer, holding back tax dollars paid by Californians themselves, because of some personal pique, he would pay a very high price for doing so.
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Evolve Dammit
(19,718 posts)Sadly, it works
California can withhold forwarding federal tax revenues collected in California
and apply those funds to reconstruction!
WarGamer
(16,142 posts)And he's not a good National candidate.
The "California thing" is toxic in the South and rust belt.
The next DEM nominee will look more like Josh Shapiro...
Irish_Dem
(62,819 posts)But Trump doesn't care. He will destroy any PERCEIVED enemy.
Do people like Shapiro?
WarGamer
(16,142 posts)My prediction is...
After the big 250th 4th of July Bash and 26 Mid-Term Elections, I think Trump will resign... some time in 27.
He wants to give Vance a leg up for 28.
One has to understand Trump.
He's all about winning and revenge on those who opposed/mocked him.
He will bow out at high tide... He's going to appoint 2 more SCOTUS Justices in the next 2 years...
Thomas and Alito will retire.
I predict Kacsmaryk and Cannon will be installed.
He will be seen as one of the most consequential POTUS in US History... (consequential isn't always a positive attribute, Hitler was consequential) having replaced 5 members of the SCOTUS.
Irish_Dem
(62,819 posts)He probably hates the guy at this point.
Yes you have to understand Trump.
He is a narcissistic sociopath.
He will hang on to power as long as possible.
He loves the adoration and power.
Getting revenge and hurting people.
And most important, stealing as much money and classified documents as possible.
I think he will hang on as long as he can.
The only way he leaves is in a pine box or he is paid handsomely to leave.
WarGamer
(16,142 posts)He already HAS the power and money...
He wants to play golf and watch tv.
Irish_Dem
(62,819 posts)This comes from Michael Cohen who knows Trump very well.
Trump will always want more and more.
No amount of power or money is enough.
Nothing will fill the hole in his soul.
I don't think you understand.
Trump will watch TV and play golf when he is POTUS.
When he was in the WH before he rarely came to the Oval Office until the afternoon.
And worked for a couple of hours if you can call it work.
And Putin and the GOP will keep him in office for as long as possible.
Trump is a very useful idiot.
Artistree22
(61 posts)Any more court appointments is one of the most worrying things but you know this is one of the main things that his helpers are working on.
Those that are using him are not going to waste any time.
His supporters are blind to his ineptness. I find it Insane that people admire such a petty pathetic failure of a human being.
I expect him to make a deal with Vance for a pardon and his best option would be to resign. He doesn't care about doing the actual job, he never did. So, I think that you may be right. I prefer him stroking out before then. Please, please please universe????
homegirl
(1,626 posts)Trump will want to be front and center for the 250th Big Bash!
allegorical oracle
(3,877 posts)Response to WarGamer (Reply #31)
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WiVoter
(1,175 posts)Interesting timing.
Hekate
(95,948 posts)Originally posted by our own canetoad, and very informative.
Heres another one
https://localnewspasadena.com/2025/how-two-words-from-a-24-year-old-pasadena-climate-specialist-saved-hundreds-of-lives/
Irish_Dem
(62,819 posts)Something that so benefits Trump and the GOP.
And Newsom can't fight back, he needs federal help.
Cannot piss off Trump or GOP congress.
Lulu KC
(6,153 posts)Grace and competence under pressure are admirable leadership qualities. Until this event I always thought he was unappealing because California feels like a separate subculture in a lot of ways inside "the public's mind," as my own mind perceives it. But it feels a lot different now.
Of course, I still don't grasp what "they" think about anything, since thinking doesn't seem to be a critical part of the package. I only know what comes out of mouths. It's going to be another disorienting four years, which seem to have started awfully fast after the election. Sob.
Irish_Dem
(62,819 posts)Or leaders with intelligence and a moral core.
Lulu KC
(6,153 posts)Six117
(257 posts)that creature has to say - and then it's a choice.to believe a well known -documented- liar.
Republicans, conservatives, the right, evangelicals -whatever the stripe, have no credibility whatsoever.
Irish_Dem
(62,819 posts)No one is safe from him.
Blue Full Moon
(1,606 posts)Wouldn't surprise me if the fire wasn't set.
William769
(56,578 posts)Irish_Dem
(62,819 posts)So a rich powerful blue state and governor is something to be despised and taken down.
Wounded Bear
(61,165 posts)America sucks some times.
Irish_Dem
(62,819 posts)No matter who ran against Trump, they would have lost against the two psychopaths, Putin and Trump.
But yes your point is well taken. In hindsight given the lack of character on the part of the American people,
a white male would have been better.
But we were stuck with some extenuating circumstances not in our favor.
And had to go with the hand we were dealt.
And I truly thought Americans were ready for Kamala.
delisen
(6,760 posts)oldmanlynn
(559 posts)Irish_Dem
(62,819 posts)But yes we can refuse to believe Trump's crap.
Iggo
(48,688 posts)I swear this place sometimes.
Irish_Dem
(62,819 posts)I assure you nothing I can think of is news to Trump.
He has already thought about it long before I did.
And I could never outguess a psychopath.
Iggo
(48,688 posts)Jesus fucking Christ.
I wasnt talking about you. In fact I said we. So, with that in mind, do you really think Im accusing both you and myself of helping Trump? Does that sound right to you? Of course it doesnt.
Heres the thing. Ive seen two-too-many concern threads about Newsom this week that read more like GOP marching orders, and Im sick of it. So when I say we dont have to help him, I mean we Dems dont have to help him by spreading MAGA bullshit.
I wasnt talking about you.
Initech
(103,266 posts)That fucker will have to pay at some point, but not before Fox News keeps moving back the goal posts on bullshit like DEI.
Irish_Dem
(62,819 posts)Did he do anything to help Americans with Covid?
He and Jared sold our medical equipment and covid tests to foreign companies.
Trump will pay only if Newsom gives him something.
PennRalphie
(379 posts)Hes also a very talented politician. I believe he will have Southern CA rebuilt in record time. That will certainly catapult him to the White House. Hell be able to easily defeat whoever they decide to run.
I also really believe his results in CA will also help the areas still hurting from their own disasters. Lahaina. Western NC. East Palestine. Hell have a good chance of winning 50 states doing that.
What trump says or does will be irrelevant. Newsom will show hes a real leader.