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USAFRetired_Liberal

(4,363 posts)
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 04:06 PM Jan 12

Tulsi Gabbard

I recently read about Tulsi Gabbard and her father, and it’s clear she was never truly a Democrat. The only reason they aligned with the Democratic Party was because they realized it was the only way to win elections in Hawaii. Her father even admitted this, having been a Republican before. Honestly, she shouldn’t have made it this far in politics—if Democrats had done their due diligence, she wouldn’t have won a primary.

What’s even more frustrating is that she was given a prominent role in the DNC. Thankfully, the party did one thing right: they made sure she didn’t become a senator when Daniel Inouye’s seat opened up, despite her attempts to position herself for it. I hadn’t even heard of her until her 2020 presidential campaign. I remember watching a Democratic debate back then, and even my wife—who isn’t very political—asked, “Why is a Republican at this debate?” after hearing her speak.

It’s evident that Tulsi Gabbard’s long-term plan was to infiltrate the Democratic Party and then use her platform to criticize it at key moments. Democrats need to do a much better job of vetting candidates during the primary process, especially in districts or states where winning the general election as a Democrat is almost assured. These conditions can attract opportunists like Gabbard, who may present themselves as Democrats only to pursue personal or alternative agendas later.

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slightlv

(4,697 posts)
13. I don't read it as blaming democrats...
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 06:04 PM
Jan 12

only that the party... and WE need to be more careful about accepting "democrats" at their word. Republicans always have ulterior motives, hidden agendas, etc. and they've need no help in infiltrating our party and working for it's demise from the inside out. We are supposedly the party of the "big tent"... but that big tent hasn't been to our advantage in the last decade or two. I read the OP as saying we need to be more critical... and use critical analysis and thinking when it comes to welcoming someone, especially a new politician, into the party.

state of stupid

(118 posts)
19. Yes, blame the democrats for failing to see thru her well disguised mask. There have always been
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 06:56 PM
Jan 12

those who will infiltrate to serve their needs. That is as my father warned me long ago
the old becomes new again and again and again. The only answer is how long it takes
to see thru the mask and what you do to correct it.

Buddyzbuddy

(294 posts)
10. Knowing our own weakness is a strength.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 05:44 PM
Jan 12

Tulsi was absolutely an infiltrator. We as Democrats are responsible for our party. Part of that is doing an autopsy of the things that went wrong so we can learn from our mistakes and improve our party. If we can't critique or own, then we are doomed as a party.

JI7

(91,244 posts)
12. It was clear she was a fraud at one point but there were people with
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 05:48 PM
Jan 12

agendas that were still pushing the bs.

That's the real problem.

carpetbagger

(5,063 posts)
14. It's a valid point.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 06:24 PM
Jan 12

All the effort we put into working for people like Sinema, Cuellar, Lieberman, Gabbard, et al., and we can't get things done. I'm not even talking about swing state officeholders, I can understand the argument that it's Manchin or a Republican, for example (in 2010-2025, not when I voted against him in the 1996 and 2000 primaries).

We're in deep shit as a country right now, and to undo the damage will almost certainly require 50 progressive votes in a future senate under a president who is willing to govern in a hard left direction. (And what will pass for hard left in 4 years will probably be disappointing).

karynnj

(60,082 posts)
18. A valid point
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 06:49 PM
Jan 12

I am not from Arizona, but I remember that Sinema who was a House member was seen as the best shot to win the Senate seat when she did. So, her case could be similar, but nowhere near as certain, as Manchin's.

Lieberman was a popular CT attorney general, who had a history of having gone from Yale on the 1960 era civil rights. One of his main passions was the environment. While other reasons were given for Gore choosing him, such as his comments against Clinton's behavior and that he was the first Jew on a major party ticket, he was considered a strong Democrat, politically not far from people like Joe Biden or Evan Bayh. He turned as the Democrats rejected the Iraq War.

Gabbard, on the other hand, was always a fraud.

speak easy

(11,124 posts)
6. "I hadn't even heard of her until her 2020 presidential campaign"
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 05:41 PM
Jan 12

Really? Does resigning from the DNC in 2016 ring a bell?

Nasruddin

(926 posts)
8. Strong parties
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 05:44 PM
Jan 12
Democrats need to do a much better job of vetting candidates during the primary process


We do fairly well, but it's a valuable criticism. This is what happened to the Republicans, and the result was they let a tiger in the barn along with an assortment of one-legged loons and blind polecats over the years. That could have been us.

Baron2024

(924 posts)
15. Trump Attracts Sociopaths
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 06:30 PM
Jan 12

The first Trump Administration was much more tolerable because Trump had some reasonably sane government professionals around him. Trump 2.0 will be much, much worse. Trump and the sycophants that surround him are poised to bring in a government entirely made up of people with sociopathic tendencies. Tulsi Gabbard clearly is one of them. No principles, just seeking power, fame, and money. I honestly think that certain mental conditions and personality disorders are more common in some Republican circles. These people lack basic human empathy. We live in dangerous times.

mahina

(19,341 posts)
16. You got that right. It was extremely frustrating here too. She is remarkably talented at turning people's brains off.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 06:36 PM
Jan 12

She has studied how to say what people want to hear to get them to think she is one of them. I watched it happen.

Infuriating.

Kai Kahele turned out to not be who I thought he was too but his entry into the race caused her to resign her seat.

bsiebs

(779 posts)
21. We get a lot of this in California...
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 06:59 PM
Jan 12

Alex Villanueva ran for Los Angeles County Sheriff in 2018 as a democrat, only for us to find out he was a MAGA… Los Angeles threw him out in a landslide in 2022...

Rick Caruso ran against Karen Bass for Los Angeles Mayor – tried to play himself off as a Democrat (he is a republican)… happy to say Karen Bass is our mayor...

Republicans don’t stop there… Michelle Steel ran for reelection in her district in 2024. During the campaign, Steel sought to characterize her Democratic opponent Derek Tran as a communist sympathizer by sending mailers of Tran alongside Mao Zedong and a hammer and sickle. Tran is a second-generation Vietnamese-American. During the campaign, Steel, who is Korean-born, said "I am more Vietnamese than my opponent." Steel was replaced by Tran in 2024... but she has already filed to run again in 2026...

They seem to find it extremely easy to lie.. its in their DNA.

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