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LauraInLA

(1,703 posts)
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 05:19 PM Jan 12

LETTER FROM THE SANTA MONICA MOUNTAINS (Using goats to clear land at the Getty Museum

Snipping to interesting parts:

Goats can’t eliminate the potential for a fire because the chaparral is a pygmy forest whose oaks are too thick for even goats to swallow. But the animals consume enough plant life that if a fire were to occur, it would be weak enough, at about 1,800 degrees, for firefighters to come within 20 feet of the blaze, according to Bunten.

“We take the understory out,” Bunten added, referring to the smallest plants.



Some critics say that goats aren’t necessarily cheaper than herbicides, but Bunten says the animals are an eco-friendly way to mow vast spreads, a pastoral activity that often draws onlookers and families.



But the herbivores can’t be left on their own. Here in the West, mountain lions, coyotes and bears prey on goats. A black bear killed one of the flock in Claremont, Calif., three years ago, the Buntens said. Three dogs now help keep the goats in line and the predators at bay.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/2008/05/20/letter-from-the-santa-monica-mountains/

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AnotherDreamWeaver

(2,900 posts)
2. The Sea Ranch has someone who runs a lot of sheep and goats there.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 09:52 PM
Jan 12

I have had sheep and goats, but a lot have been killed by Mt. Lions and coyotes.

Meowmee

(6,893 posts)
4. Years ago, we went to a petting zoo
Mon Jan 13, 2025, 01:25 AM
Jan 13

And all these goats ran up to us. One of them started eating my mother‘s purse because it was made of straw. 😹

I wonder if those three dogs that take care of the goats are border collies?

StarryNite

(11,222 posts)
6. Border Collies are awesome.
Mon Jan 13, 2025, 01:39 AM
Jan 13

Often shepherds use Great Pyrenees to protect their flocks. My neighbors have a pair of Great Pyrenees that they got to protect their goats from coyotes. Late one night by the light of the moon another neighbor noticed one of the Pyrenees in the road as what he thought were other dogs heading towards it. Then he realized they were coyotes approaching the Pyrenees. The coyotes and the Pyrenees greeted each other like they were old friends. They hung out together for a few minutes then the coyotes left. LOL

Meowmee

(6,893 posts)
7. Lol that is so funny
Mon Jan 13, 2025, 01:41 AM
Jan 13

So they are friendly with each other, but the coyotes know they have to obey the Pyrenees I guess… I love border collies too. I’ve always wanted to have one, but I don’t know if it will ever happen.

StarryNite

(11,222 posts)
8. I don't really know if the coyotes felt at all threatened by the Pyrenees. LOL
Mon Jan 13, 2025, 01:54 AM
Jan 13

Coyotes are true survivors that are so adaptable. Coyote America by Dan Flores is really good. I have a lot of respect for North America's "song dogs".

We're dogless now. But while I always wanted a Border Collie and a lot of other purebred breeds if we decide to get another dog it will be a rescue mutt. Mutts in need steal my heart.

Meowmee

(6,893 posts)
9. Yes I was wondering why coyotes would be afraid of a dog... I figured because the Pyrenees are so big😹
Mon Jan 13, 2025, 02:06 AM
Jan 13

I will check that book out. We don’t have any coyotes here in the northeast, that I know of anyway. We have fox, bats, deer, raccoons, and opossum and more- bears upstate only. Once in a while a crazy person decides they’re gonna have a big cat as a pet and then they get loose, but I think that’s a rare event here. I read that there were sightings of a big cat out east a few years ago I think, but it was never verified.

Yes, I know really if I get a dog, it will be a rescue of some sort. And maybe some type of mix. However I have my heart set on a border collie. I’ve only had one dog. She was my best friend when I was a young child up until I was a teenager. She was a purebred Pembroke beagle from a farm in Canada. That was years ago and there was no over population then so I don’t think there were many rescue animals.

Anyway, I have already seen three or four border collies that were being rehomed in my area. It’s just not the right time now with everything going on and my three cats would not like a dog so, I’m not going to stress them out. We just went through a terrible ordeal with one of my cats dying, and they all had toxoplasmosis.

StarryNite

(11,222 posts)
12. There are a lot of purebred dogs in rescues.
Mon Jan 13, 2025, 10:17 AM
Jan 13

A rescue is a rescue. They all need loving forever homes. And kitties too. Losing them is so painful. That's why I haven't adopted another one. We lost one in 2019 and one in 2021. I can still burst into tears if I think too much about the loss. I wish I could deal with it better because there are so many homeless dogs and cats.

Beagles are great dogs...well all dogs are great dogs. I've had a purebred Irish Setter and a purebred German Shepherd. They were both awesome dogs. The last two were mixes. One from the pound the other found us when we were camping. She most likely was dumped. She was about a year old at the time. She had a lot of issues which I assume came from having a not so good first year of life. I loved them both so much and I miss all my dogs and cats dearly.

That Great Pyrenees sure did his job. They are powerful. That breed is often dumped or left behind by shepherds moving their flocks. There is an annual sheep drive up in the mountains and it's not uncommon to see a lone Pyrenees that somehow got left behind. Most of them are unapproachable. It's a very sad situation. Many shepherds treat them more like a tool than a living being. They often don't get much human interaction in those conditions. When they lose one they just get another to do the job.

bluesbassman

(20,061 posts)
5. My sister in law and her husband run a working herd in NorCal.
Mon Jan 13, 2025, 01:27 AM
Jan 13

They’re in the foothills east of Sacramento and that’s exactly the sort of work they do. Those critters are busy all year round.

Raine

(30,674 posts)
11. They bring in goats every year here.🐐 I'm located in the South Bay area
Mon Jan 13, 2025, 02:41 AM
Jan 13

of Los Angeles County. They announce when the goats arrive so people can go see them.

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