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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPete Hegseth's comment: A mistake was made.
I guess that means that everyone was a white male.
I heard what the controller said. It sounds like he took the black hawk pilot's word that he saw the plane.
So, I'm guessing the mistake was with the black hawk pilot, maybe mistaking the lights.
Ocelot II
(122,507 posts)Of course a mistake was made or there wouldn't have been a collision, and now they're looking for a "DEI hire" to blame it on.
RandomNumbers
(18,376 posts)From what I read, it was on the helicopter pilot to be aware of the airplane and avoid it.
Perhaps the chopper pilot did make a mistake. This was such a terrible accident, I hope for everyone's sake that it came down to a mistake, but that does not take away the suffering caused by the loss of these innocent passengers.
It did occur to me - and this is PURE speculation, BUT - was there any chance the helo pilot was suicidal? It's not like suicidal pilots have never taken innocents with them. (I REPEAT : this is SPECULATION. That is all. But it would lead to some other questions, obviously.)
Igel
(36,512 posts)"Suicide with a side of 60" requires a bit of evidence.
(And somewhere in the back of my brain a neuron stirred and said, "Let his surname not begin with Al-."
Eugene
(62,985 posts)Something like that happened before.
There were two airliners on final approach, one right behind the other.
The CRJ's lights blending into background city lights may also
have been a factor. Other reports say the Army pilots were training
with night vision googles. A mistake was made, an apparently
easy one to make, as there was a near miss there a day earlier.
RainCaster
(11,891 posts)He has his own concerns, and none of those relate to the 8,000,000 people who report to him.
Wiz Imp
(3,191 posts)RainCaster
(11,891 posts)Quite a large jump in responsibility for a drunk who never managed a group larger than a platoon at any point in his life.
Wiz Imp
(3,191 posts)As of November 2022, the department has over 1.4 million active-duty uniformed personnel in the five armed services. It also supervises over 778,000 National Guard and reservist personnel, and over 747,000 civilians, bringing the total to over 2.91 million employees.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Defense#:~:text=As%20of%20November%202022%2C%20the,to%20over%202.91%20million%20employees.
ProfessorGAC
(71,339 posts)Agency overview
Headquarters The Pentagon Arlington County, Virginia, U.S. 38°52′16″N 77°3′21″W
Employees 789,594 (civilian) 1,294,191 (active duty military) 761,601 (National Guard and reserve) 2,845,386 total (June 30, 2024)
Annual budget $842 billion FY2024
Maybe the 8 million includes all the private industry contractor employees, but direct DoD employment is around 35% of that.
Still huge, and doesn't change your main point about Hegseth.
RainCaster
(11,891 posts)I'm not sure where I picked up that number, but it's off by quite a bit. Thanks for the update.
LiberalArkie
(17,141 posts)Maybe have one on the entrance to his office.
Nixie
(17,509 posts)about his sobriety. Just bringing it up constantly reminds people of his drinking problems. Thats what they do when they want to drag someone. Its time for the same treatment.
NH Ethylene
(31,025 posts)Klarkashton
(2,710 posts)Nighttime training flights are carried out in close proximity of the takeoff and landing field of a super busy commercial airport.
What sort of dimwit makes these kind decisions?
Honest to God with this shit.
BOSSHOG
(40,828 posts)Is that flyers have to train in the environment they will be operating. Just sharing what I heard. On CBS News.
Klarkashton
(2,710 posts)What insanity.
arthritisR_US
(7,712 posts)Nixie
(17,509 posts)Why do that by the busiest airport. Its so ridiculous.
Klarkashton
(2,710 posts)Rolling the fucking dice. Weaving in and out of commercial American aircraft.
It's a big stand tall coverup right now but it won't last. There are asshole cowboys that are going to burn for this shit.
NH Ethylene
(31,025 posts)It may all boil down to night goggles.
Lovie777
(16,090 posts)obamanut2012
(28,107 posts)Another pilot also was, no info on the third yet, some backchatter it's a woman.
Baitball Blogger
(48,941 posts)But if it is, I don't see where the controller was at fault.
C_U_L8R
(45,979 posts)Where's the happy hour?
BootinUp
(49,260 posts)Of planes landing on runway. Pretty bad.
vapor2
(1,715 posts)WAS YOUR NOMINATION
Rebl2
(15,390 posts)Hes brilliant-NOT🙄
CoopersDad
(3,014 posts)This is my primary takeaway from the tragedy.
Initech
(103,189 posts)Fuck you and your boss!
Dave Bowman
(4,373 posts)RainCaster
(11,891 posts)I shake my head in disbelief.