We are in the midst of an actual coup taking over the Federal government. This is insurrection. We need to execute a counter coup immediately. Saying that it is impossible is weak and cowardly in my opinion.

If you wish to win a war, the plan must be based on facts, data, reality.

Not pie in the sky magical thinking.

If you truly are in it to win it, time to get real.

It is low probability that Musk will be arrested at the current time.
Trump has immunity and his goons are being pardoned.
This is reality.

How do you propose we stop Musk? I would really like to hear some actual suggestions.

I give you credit for the old college try.
But you have everything backwards.

You keep making plans but have not done a risk assessment.
You have no idea how bad the damage is or will be.

No idea who is actually behind all of this.
Who are the real players, the funders and the planners.

There has been no factual assessment of our enemy.
We don't even know who they are at this point.

You can go after the low hanging fruit or the front man but that solves nothing.
And go in a million directions.
That is a waste of ammunition, personnel and resources.

So the first thing to do is do your homework.
Get the intel, the needed information, do some thinking and consulting with others.

Only then can you make a good plan.

There are some very smart, talented, experienced people on this forum
who keep trying to do this needed work and they get shot down and reported
for reasons that mystify me.

I appreciate your comments but I don't see anything it what you are saying that is a concrete and specific plan for action. Time is of the essence. The horse is out of the barn and we need to take action.

You wrote this-

"No idea who is actually behind all of this.
Who are the real players, the funders and the planners.

There has been no factual assessment of our enemy.
We don't even know who they are at this point'"

That is just absurd. We know who is behind this. It is Trump, Musk, DOGE and Trump's MAGA gang. They are destroying the government and violating the Constitution. There is no one else "behind all of this". It is them. We need to take action or we will soon be living in a Fascist Police State. That is reality.

Musk probably never heard of USAID before he tried shutting it down.

While Trump, Musk, DOGE and MAGA Goons are the public face of this coup, the real powers behind the throne are hard-right think tanks like the Heritage Foundation, Americans for Tax Reform, the Family Resource Council and Focus on the Family.

You've got the organizations that had their genesis in the '80s right, but the origins of this idea began really as far back as 1933 when FDR's New Deal initiatives began being implemented. In actuality, the robber barons of the industrial revolution who made their fortunes began to be ever more rapacious in their greed. Their corporate (and essentially kleptocratic) exploitation of individuals who were necessary to run their engines of industry was virtually unchecked, and that is exactly what the modern day kleptocrats like Musk, Thiel, Bezos, etc. are wanting now. They don't care whether earth burns up or not because they don't plan to be here, especially after they have raped all the valuable resources off the globe and killed their workforce.

Putin

The Supreme Court may be conservative, but they to like power and do not want a king. We won’t win every battle, but we will win some. We also need to keep contacting our representatives, State AGs, Governors, and Senators. Stay peacefuand keep you shit together when speaking.

would get me permanently thrown out of DU, so I won't. You figure it out.....

The Trump DoJ is not going to arrest Musk.

If he's acting at the behest of the president, then the president is the person who should be targeted. Arresting Musk on it's own would just be a publicity stunt if he could be pardoned by Trump or have his charges dropped. We don't need to put energy into actions that are pointless and unhelpful.

Advocate for what should happen, not what you think is possible. It may not happen even if you do advocate for it, but one thing is certain. Nothing will ever happen if you don't advocate for it. People were advocating for Abolition, for Women's Suffrage, for workers' rights, and for Civil Rights long before they were "possible."

..and it is exactly why we are where we are.

If people during the civil rights movement said that we wouldn't have had a civil rights movement. Get a grip.

And no authority will stop him.

Who is left to place the handcuffs?

Here is a plan for how it might be done.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219988610

Any arresting team would certainly encounter heavy resistance.

Unless they could overwhelm his guys with astonishing surprise and force.

It might take a renegade element of the military to do it.

Who's ready for a military junta?

With the potential to turn the nation into a free fire zone among its own people?

You make good points but I think federal law enforcement and maybe military action might be the only way to save the Republic. I don't think that feds and military that are loyal to the Constitution would rule as a military junta at all. I think that they would restore Constitutional authority and new elections. It is the Trump Musk Regime that is the real junta. A hostile takeover has already occurred. Thank you for your comment.

It's risky, it's a slippery slope, but I don't see any other way. If people are banking on democracy staying intact for the mid terms and the presidential election in four years I have a bridge to sell them. I don't mean to sound insulting or hyperbolic but in all my years of paying attention to politics I have never seen so many people around me scared and uncertain about the future of the Republic.

Without Article 2 powers, and with the immunity ruling, impeachment is probably the best course of action. But it is a futile move unless the GOP Senate acts against nature.

It is very sad, but there isn't enough "electricity" in the air seems to me. We may get there, we need to.


MR

I am always shocked by Americans who abdicate their authority so easily...

This should be the demand, regardless of whether it happens.

That is a good response. It is time to get up off the mat and fight back.

[The Secret Service has] "an integrated mission of protection and investigations to ensure the safety and security of our protectees, key locations, and events of national significance. We also protect the integrity of our currency and investigate crimes against the U.S. financial system committed by criminals around the world and in cyberspace.
"

https://www.secretservice.gov/about/overview

They are absent so far. Will they be faithful to their Oaths to defend the Constitution or will they submit to a dictatorship?

Like all federal law enforcement.

How are they still walking free?

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Otherwise, they'll just replace him with someone else. Likely MTG, now that Ramaswamy is out.

I am not just talking about arresting Musk alone. His DOGE Agents are guilty as well. At least of Obstruction of Government Operations. I am not a lawyer but they are probably guilty of a raft of computer crimes. and they are in violation of the Constitution. The Executive Branch does not have the power to freeze funds that were authorized by the Congress. This is one of the Congress's explicit constitutional powers. These people are domestic enemies of the Constitution. All federal workers, officers, and soldiers take an Oath to defend the Constitution and all enemies foreign and domestic. Musk and his DOGE gang are domestic enemies of the Constitution and they must be seized and arrested.

MTG would not know how to operate a computer if her life depended upon it.

Guilty

Send him and his little boyz to Gitmo.

like Liz Cheney etc. who hadn't even been arrested yet.

They should be calling for impeachment, but it won't happen until there are enough pissed off republicans to join with the dems. So.... it's going to have to get a lot worse before anything really happens. IMO.

The ones I saw on the news are positively giddy. It’s going to take a whole lot of MAGA outrage to move them - and we don’t have time for that.

They like their well paid, cushy jobs. All they have to do is say what Trump wants said and vote how Trump tells them. If they manage to stay in office without Trump having them primaried, they are set for life. I don't expect them to help here. They wouldn't do what would have assured he could never run again in TWO past impeachments.

I favor cutting the power to Musk's little fortress and sending in riot police and US Marshals to haul the lot of his geek gang for violating law re private citizens accessing confidential databases. Then we can get serious.

"Musk's little fortress"? And who would send in "riot police and US Marshals"? You think the police & marshals just do whatever somebody in government demands?

The need to vent doesn't excuse folks here from acting like they don't know how things work in government and law enforcement.

and YES we do know who is behind this 😹😹😹, just stop M and his gang first before they do even more damage.

Musk never took an oath to the Constitution, Mierda47 did.
When the time comes to impeach Mierda47, he's just going to say, "I didn't know what he was doing, so I didn't break my oath."

Trump Pardons Elon.

what sort of of State level law do you think is applicable?

He needs to be impeached and removed.

All those who have taken an Oath to defend the Constitution...

Either we is or we isn't s Constitutional democracy.

Yeah, they might be bought and paid-for MAGAt appeasers and spineless turds (speaking as a FL resident), but at least it's us doing something.

Some pissed off fired FBI agent, who is armed, does what needs to be done.

I'm afraid your solution just may be what's in order. I'm sure there are some that have the requisite tools and knowledge necessary. Not to mention, they still have a sense of dignity along with ethics, integrity and most importantly, honor. The oath they all take was designed for times just like this (... against all enemies, foreign and domestic...).

I am sure congress could stop them but they wont. Republicans are using raw power to get what they want and not sure anything can stop them except people voting them out. You can slow it down with courts but thats about it.

50 States, 50 Capitols 1 Day...
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219989728

Who the hell is gonna arrest them? Clearly not Trump’s justice department. Laws will not apply to any of “his” people or anyone that can buy him off. The republicans have abdicated their responsibility and will be a major contributor to the fall of our democracy.

The many branches of law enforcement and national security have standards of protecting the country and public to uphold.

Are the FBI, CIA, NSA, police forces (etc) going to dump those standards because Trump says so?

Toss a coin fellas, the Constitution or Trump. You can't serve both.

of their citizens?

Throwing it out there and admit I'm grasping at straws.

I had not thought of that. We should maybe contact our State Reps about it, as well as our State AGs. Thanks!

If so, Dem Governors could "do" something (just a question).

Merrick Fife still has a bullet in his pocket.

What org, or agency will arrest any of these criminals? They have, for all practical purposes, taken over law enforcement.

Why are we discussing what they can be arrested for if there is NO ONE to arrest them. That ship has sailed.

They are ignoring court orders handed down by District Court Judges. How and by whom will those orders be enforced?

One possible answer- A Plan For Lawful Resistance--

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219988610

Your congressperson yet?

Are there hackers that can hack musk" Shut down his operations? May be unhack what his baby goons have done?

Maybe our gov won’t do it, maybe people don’t want to talk about it, but he needs to be arrested. This country is ending, wake up people!

Now how about you wish in one hand and shit in the other, and see which one fills up first.

That is a pretty vile metaphor.

If Musk is not arrested immediately he may be arrested eventually. If the Republic survives long enough for us to have a free election, the Democrats may be able to get control of the government back. If we do, Musk will be fully investigated then. What he and his DOGE Agents have done is clearly illegal. Musk may not be going to Mars like he wants. He may be going to jail.

Right now, probably no one will arrest him, but I think that we should call for his arrest anyway. He should be arrested but he won't be, but at least we could point that out. It would help in the media war. I believe that if and when we (Dems) gain back control of the House, Musk will be investigated. So it is not an immediate solution. If we regain the House in 2026 we can investigate him. If we regain the White House in 2028 we can prosecute him. So it is a long ways off, but sometimes the wheel of justice turns slowly. But the wheel does turn.