didn't really care. They just wanted others to THINK they did, for whatever reasons.

Now that the "holier than thou" non-voters got us into this
Gaza is history, gone, soon to be a resort built by billionaires.

not the common folk, make no mistake about that and they'll use "guest workers" who don't get to hold their own passports as staff.

Oh, we know. And we'll never forget.

It's been two weeks, c'mon!

This pressor will have reverberations across the Muslim world. The world period.
Who knew Trump could alienate Mexico, Canada, and the whole Muslim world within two days.

I believe that number will grow as his loyal supporters feel the brunt of the pain his policies will inflict on THEIR LIVES.

Bunch of blind dumb f**ks!

Purchases, companies and travel. Time for us Americans to boycott USA too. I’m limiting my purchases to food and medical necessities over the next 4 years.

Let’s make them feel it even faster.

but, I thought there were more good people than not and, well, that illusion has been shattered.

There are not more good people.

Guess they forgot the Muslim ban in his first term.

!!!

NK, Ch-na, R-ssia.

Bibi and the chauvinist racist Israelis are not going to let a bunch of “Arabs” party down in Gaza.

Looks too "green" etc. Plus the river is going the wrong direction. And the clothes look like UAE or Saudi clothes.

as far as you know.

They are cousins.

They are brothers, actually. Doesn't prevent them from killing each other.

When these factions are the same race.

Let's never forget what lies beneath Gaza's soil, under those would-be skyscrapers.

But I still have hope the world won't let this happen.

Who am I kidding? The world watched and did nothing while those women and kids were slaughtered and starved needlessly and viciously.

The most vile and despicable excuse ever invented to rationalize the slaughter of civilians and the destruction of their cities?

That Human Shields! TM?

What is the "in" term for "martyring" their own people? Familiaricide? Ethnic self-cleansing?

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They couldn't find some other spot in Israel?

Trump will use the U.S. military to "clean it up and clean it out", the U.S. treasury to rebuild it - and then hand it over to Israel and its settlers. With a nice slice for Kushner and his developer buddies. Maybe the U.S. will get the Gaza offshore gas fields worth billions as a reward. Or maybe Israel will steal that too.

But mainly this is about advancing the Greater Israel project and kicking the Palestinians out. We know that Trump lies about everything and he's lying about this too.

People can't think beyond themselves.

Those monarchs and despots could care less - Egypt especially has been bribed with tons of aid money. Their people still do, however. They better be careful.

Then there are the Arab/Muslim states that have tried to help. They will be or have been obliterated. Iran is next.

If the Arab Street rises, it's a different ballgame. Maybe.

This includes every single state that tried to previously "help" the Palestinians ever since 1948, with disastrous results to the Palestinian people

And that would include Iran, whose "help" started the most recent wars of its proxies Hezbollah and Hamas against Israel in the first place, with, you guessed it, disastrous results for the Palestinians.

It is beyond me what distinctions you see between the states that "tried to help" and those who you are calling "client states" of the US, or which ones have been or will be obliterated, or even what constitutes obliteration in your mind.

Remind me, what ever happened to Israel's Gaza?

How did the Palestinians get a hold of it, and what happened next?

I'm guessing they got that image from the same place I got that image, from Netanyahu 's presentation.

I got mine, which says it is from the Netanyahu's presentation. If this is not the same link you used, I would welcome yours.

Is this the source of your knowledge about the proposal? Is this where "Gaza Riviera, here we come!" sentiment is coming from?

BTW, how good is your Hebrew? Mine is not good at all. That's why I looked up a link where the proposal is reported in English: https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-799756#google_vignette
This way I didn't have to rely on Breitbart, or a source in the language I can barely recognize, to get a clue about what is in the proposal.

Apparently, Netanyahu's proposal looks nothing like a "Gaza Riviera".

Turns out, the proposal involves a whole bunch of Arab states, none of whom expressed overt interest in the "Gaza Riviera", and it does not even mention Trump or Kushner, the only two people I know of who ever hinted at a "Gaza Riviera".

I also, quite incidentally, came across an article by Yoram Dori, a long-serving strategic advisor to Shimon Peres, arguably the most left-wing Prime Minister in Israel's history, in which Dori attributes the fundamentals of Netanyahu's proposal to Peres, decades earlier. (https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-839197)

Apparently all kinds of news sources used that document as well.
What I find odd, is that you found it in Breitbart when I never even noticed Breitbart on the list when I was looking for images.

They might implement Netanyahu's vision, but with Mierda47 & his son-in-law pushing this, I fear it will be lined with Mierda Towers, up & down the 30 mile stretch of Mediterranean Sea front.

The first one was in Hebrew. Odd, especially when you were only looking for images, isn't it?

And, as we have already established, the vision itself is not Netanyahu's, and it has no connection to the Mierda crime family.

But, by all means, if the facts do not support a preferred narrative...

. . . while not in the details, but in the general spirit, Gaza could look like that today with all the billions of dollars that got pumped into it. The assholes decided to use it all for terror tunnels, enriching the hamas leaders, and buying weapons. It's a shame, really, but they stated they don't want that kind of progress, only the total destruction of Israel and the Jewish people.

Yeah it's late, but I still favor people growing in their world view. If we all held your view, what incentive is there to be a better person over time?

We aren't dead yet. Yeah it doesn't look good today and yes it will take a long time to undo the damage that Trump is doing and that the movement that brought rise to Trump and others like him elsewhere, but by most objective standards, the world has gotten better over time. We can deal with this too.

gee it's almost like if it were an orchestrated anti-Dem op paid for and organized by the usual gang of idiots.

isn't making a deal out of it ...

Link to tweet

They helped unleash the monster and they and their people will now suffer the consequences.

Along with all the rest of us.

Shot themselves in the feet

Stopped tweeting on 1-21. Imagine that.

Bibi and trump are now free to destroy Gaza

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Harris talked about how a 2 state solution is what is needed and Trump now wants to
flatten Gaza so it can become part of Israel and Kushner can develop beach fronts
resorts.

who were fucking calling Pres. Biden "genocide Joe" ..huh huh. Oh, are they currently trying to log in to FAFSA to get a student loan with the Feds, while Trump dismantles the Department of Education which runs the program.

should go to Jill Stein for help!!

shit.

I won’t be marching in the protests this time around

It was wrong.

of the USA. Now Kamala and Joe were right.

I think there were quite a few other positions possible on that than just those two.

The changes required to make other positions possible are highly complex and would require a long time frame with multiple party buy-in.

It doesn't take anything to take a position other than saying you take that position.

were Wrong.. and those who sat home or voted for Mump and encouraged others Not to vote for VP Kamala Harris were Dead Wrong.

The fact is that Harris could not openly campaign on a “Free Gaza” platform, she would have been crush even worse.

However, had the Arab American community worked to get her elected they would have people inside the room when the issue was discussed and could have begun the very big and challenging task of getting the USA to change directions in our policy.

Too many people expect candidates that they support to give them everything. It doesn’t work that way especially in this case when there is sooo much money and media on the side of Israel. But now they’ve got Donny doing who knows what kind of fuckery.

I think that would have helped a lot.

Palestine was a lose lose for our ticket, no matter what they said or did, they were going to piss off some faction of the party.

I've been saying since the start that if trump took power, one way or another I didn't expect gaza to exist within the year. I guess the us jumping in feet first never occurred to me. But otherwise, we are right on schedule with that. Plus a new handy distraction with a news topic that unites the maga and divides Democrats.

It would have pissed off the Democratic-Israel supporting people in our party and then we would have lost worse because? They wouldn't vote for her as much?

We have them here on du, and in party at large.

I don't know about worse. But every mention of it was going to cause a problem. That's one of many reasons bibi kept the war live till after the election. It helped his pal/lifeline trump.

We would have lost American Israeli votes. Why is the onus on the Palestinian Americans to suck it up and vote for Kamala and not the American Israeli? You know what it wouldn't have even been on the American Israelis cause they were given plenty of speaking time, giving the Palestinian Americans a voice wouldn't have negated that, the American Israeli could still speak at the DNC. It would have been inclusive as we are supposed to be as a party.

BTW, American Jews DID suck it up.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/election/article295151379.html

American Jews think Vice President Kamala Harris would handle the Israel-Hamas war better than former President Donald Trump by a wide margin — 54% to 36%

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You did pay attention to the rest of the data in my link, didn't you?

Are you now saying that the policies Kamala had on Gaza are limited to how she would handle Hamas?

You just can't resist it, can you? Not even when I predict your next move and tell you in advance exactly what it is going to be.

Good bye.

American Jews think Vice President Kamala Harris would handle the Israel-Hamas war better than former President Donald Trump by a wide margin — 54% to 36%
Would handle the Israel-Hamas war better

That literally no matter what kamala did on this topic, she was going to piss off someone and lose voters

we were as reasonable as possible without losing millions of pro israel votes.

the evangelical/republican position, and they have never been shy about it, is playing out now.

And now we are blaming them for our loss.

It was not a good look to shut out the voices of Palestinian supporters. Very undemocratic. This hurt big time. But I still voted for Kamala.

you get what you deserve.

Missed you. So all those protestors who punished Democrats...some here who were all in on this issue...many of us said that is what would happen.

but I want different policies on Israel/Palestine. There is a lot of talk but the diplomatic cover provided to Israel by the US vetoes on the UN Security Council is an issue I would like to see changes.

I mainly voted because of project 2025 and the worst choice possible in Trump but I don't understand down ballot Dem voters because Trump is the bigger threat.

You can use almost any issue against any Trump voting demographic because he is going to screw over everyone except for the super wealthy.

I'm not quite sure the point you're trying to make other than "People better toe the line or else." How is this different from authoritarianism?

Obviously they had the right to do that (so not authoritarian) and nobody is contesting that but equally obviously we get to be frustrated with that decision given how obvious and inevitable this outcome was and how many of us were all but screaming about it at the time back when there was something that could actually be done about it.

They wanted all or nothing -- and they got nothing.

Delegates recognized them and talked to them. One tried to get in the convention.

Do you have a link?

Then you own this madness that we're all going through, so FUCK YOU...each and every one of you.

But realizing they were victims of a deliberate, well-designed brainwashing plan that has been in play for decades, until the marks were well and truly duped makes it easier for me.

Those news stories were never told or were only told in a way to make them seem totally unbelievable. Or our side was so carefully and thoroughly smeared that they distrusted and wrote off what we told them.

The calculating, cold-blooded schemers deserve 99.9 percent of our fury. The dupes fell prey to common human failings that bit by bit left them vulnerable and sucked in. So many people find they have been conned at some point in their lives.

As Heather Cox Richardson pointed out in her Sunday night live Facebook, she believes the majority of Republicans (and of course the non-voters) don't currently know at all about the fact that Elon Musk has seized control of the Treasury Department. She believes they would be deeply disturbed and start calling their Republican elected officials both at the federal and state level. We are in a constitutional crisis, she said. I believe she said this is a coup, but I may be conflating that.

We have about 3-4 weeks to stop it, IF. She gave all those who watched her video homework.

As they were screaming about Biden?

I bet they feel like fools.

Conflicts were happening way before Biden, where were their goofy asses before?

Anyone with a brain would know that he was going to use it as a resort for his pencil neck son in law.

The youngest, most committed in every generation, somehow manages to lose the point of the long game. We lost it, after a lot of generations.

To everyone who argued from a moral Ivory tower of perfection: I told you so, I told you so, I told you so, I told you so, I told you so. I was right and you were wrong. Me, I was right and YOU, you were wrong. I told you so. Whew, feel much better now!

The fact that anyone would choose this time to make such a statement is incredulous and inhumane. There seems to be a dismissive attitude about the plight of Palestinians. We’re not talking about the price of groceries here. Palestinians were being bombed out of existence by the evil rulers of Israel via OUR tax dollars. And Biden had some blind spot to Israel to the point he wasn’t making even demands of Israel to be swift in answering questions about ongoing war crimes. Israel slowed walk everything and ignored Biden. Netanyahu was openly rooting for Trump to get back in office which was a slap in the face to Biden.Biden got played. Period. Biden’s staff had to remind him or prod him to actually reassure Palestinians and Muslim Americans from time to time because apparently Biden was focusing exclusively on Israelis and Jewish Americans. Biden knew that Netanyahu was starving Palestinians, another crime, and was not forceful enough in DEMANDING that Israel put a stop to it. Biden’s State Department was indifferent or defensive in regards to addressing the suffering of Palestinians. Even Kamala resorted to the same tired talking points of “Israel having the right to defend itself”; a strawman response that allowed Israel to keep bombing anything and everything in Gaza. On the way out the door Biden gave Israel even more dollars for weaponry.

Biden was a great president but his biggest blemish was his handling of this situation. He calmed some rough waters but he failed to put his foot down in regards to Israel’s onslaught. It will go down, deservedly, as THE STAIN on his legacy in the chapters of history, but then again America’s unbreakable support for Israel in these matters will be a devastating stain on our legacy as a country and people. I realized months going into the election that it would be difficult for Biden to get the Arab or even Muslim vote because of all of this. I personally was not going to waste time trying to get that demographic to support whoever was on the Dem ticket because I figured emotion was going to overtake practicality, many of them had family directly affected by the events in Gaza. It was up to the rest of us to compensate and make up for that by turning out in droves to vote for the Democrats. Unfortunately too many non-Arab and non-Muslim voters stayed home and we fell well short in that compensation.

I voted for Kamala (early vote) because she was by far the better candidate for President. I am proud of that vote. It was short sighted for my fellow liberals and progressives to be too disgusted to do the same because they were not understanding the big picture and larger good. But I get it; their hearts overruled their heads. I won’t be too judgmental. At least they didn’t stay home because their student loans weren’t completely rescinded.

* and those voters and elected representatives who chose to "punish" the Democrats for not being 100% perfect (rather than voting for the BETTER of two parties) are now seeing the results of their actions.

As we can all see, it turns out that being selfish and vindictive and petty comes at a great cost. Whether it's in the form of NOT voting, or voting for some jackass third-party candidate, or voting for "uncommitted" and abandoning our party's nominee, their treachery will have long term consequences.

Those who did not support Democrats wanted to "send a message" ... and the message they were sending was that they wanted Trump and the GOP to win. Well, they're getting exactly what they wanted. Too late to complain now. It's also too late to "learn any lessons" to avoid such mistakes in the future because there will be nothing left to "save" or "restore" ... it will all be gone.

And they'll have ONLY THEMSELVES to blame. Deal with it! Will they watch in horror and accept responsibility for the part they played? Or will they continue to live in denial and blame Democrats?

Since more women voted for Trump and since many women did not vote at all, let me dance on the graves of reproduction rights and choice. Women are just going have to deal with the consequences.

Oh, wait. I forgot I have too much class and empathy for such bitter nonsense.

after all, those women who voted for Been A Dick Donald are now reaping what they helped sow.
I have zero fucks to give for them at this point.

It will get much worse before it gets better (if ever).

I thought more women would have stood up for their reproduction rights, but I read them wrong. I wonder how they'll feel when abortion and even birth control is banned in every single state. I feel for them, but like you, I have zero fucks to give.
I'm a child of the 60’s generation. We became the protest generation when we opposed the immoral war in Vietnam, marching in the streets to make our voices heard. I don’t see that in young people today.
I also have no fucks to give because at my age, I won’t be around to see the most damaging effects of the complacency of our younger voters.
I hope they get it together, but they’ll get no help from me. It’s their country, their world, their future. I’m too old and tired to give a fuck about their future. If they don’t care enough about it to become an informed voter, then they deserve the fucked-up future that awaits them.
Sorry for the rant, but I’m tired of carrying their water.

it is a well deserved one.

Since more women voted for Trump and since many women did not vote at all, let me dance on the graves of reproduction rights and choice. Women are just going have to deal with the consequences.

Oh, wait. I forgot I have too much class and empathy for such bitter nonsense.

But some "influencers" and political figures urged Americans to vote for Jill Stein, or otherwise not support Joe Biden, knowing that this would increase the chance of a Trump win. They are responsible for this.