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muriel_volestrangler

(102,931 posts) Wed Feb 5, 2025, 04:14 AM 4 hrs ago

Fetterman supports US occupation of Gaza

NYtimes:

Outside the Senate chamber in the Capitol, Senator John Fetterman of Pennsylvania, who is known as one of the most staunchly pro-Israel Democrats in the Senate, called President Trump’s remarks “provocative,” but said that he would support a potential American occupation of the Gaza Strip, adding that Palestinians for years have “refused or have been unwilling to deliver a government that provided security and economic development for themselves.”

This guy has turned into a complete disaster. It should be unnecessary to point out that a US occupation of Gaza would make Fallujah look like a Scout jamboree.

The Democrats today have been bringing the fire almost across the board — even Schumer sounded sort of passionate — but we can’t afford any Vichy Democrats and Fetterman is trending badly in that direction if he isn’t already there.

. . . didn’t realize Fetterman was also the only Democrat to vote for Pam Bondi for AG today. I think we can scratch the “if he isn’t already there.”

https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2025/02/fetterman-supports-us-occupation-of-gaza

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Fetterman supports US occupation of Gaza (Original Post) muriel_volestrangler 4 hrs ago OP

Of course he does ShadesOfBlue 4 hrs ago #1

WTF Happened To Him? WiVoter 4 hrs ago #2

Just revealing what he really is! True Blue American 4 hrs ago #3

He's mentally unstable Ponietz 4 hrs ago #5

I never really liked him Pris 4 hrs ago #8

Jmo, but the Tree of Life synagogue shooting Deminpenn 3 hrs ago #12

brain damage. mopinko 3 hrs ago #13

I think so too Woodycall 3 hrs ago #15

Does he think his constituents want us to send troops to Gaza? Walleye 4 hrs ago #4

not troops, jews. all of them rampartd 3 hrs ago #14

The Hoodie person in the Senate is a demagogue Bread and Circuses 4 hrs ago #6

Israelis want a two state solution Mossfern 17 min ago #34

Grrr. Our DU Terms of Service require us to support Democrats, but... Mister Ed 4 hrs ago #7

Post removed Post removed 4 hrs ago #9

A Zionist is a person who believes that Israel is the homeland of the Jewish people. madaboutharry 1 hr ago #21

Get the hell out samplegirl 3 hrs ago #10

DINO Joinfortmill 3 hrs ago #11

Pennsylvania videohead5 2 hrs ago #16

OMFG SunSeeker 2 hrs ago #17

JFC, Fetterman's talking and voting like he was raised in Dubois!! no_hypocrisy 1 hr ago #18

Fetterman has gone... Escape 1 hr ago #19

Democrats should do a better job vetting their candidates. nt RandiFan1290 1 hr ago #20

I wonder if Conor Lamb could have beaten Mehmet Oz. JustABozoOnThisBus 1 hr ago #22

WTF has happened to this guy? He's talking like a right-wing loony tune. Vinca 1 hr ago #23

I will not vote for him again. I hope he gets primaried. ellemb 1 hr ago #24

Sounds like Fetterman is the new Joe Manchin. nt doc03 51 min ago #25

Fetterman is acting claudette 47 min ago #26

Sounds to me like Fetterman got Lyndsey Graham'd gab13by13 44 min ago #27

Bummer, Fetterman is one of our Senators. Doubt that an email will help but I'll write one dutch777 43 min ago #28

Post removed Post removed 27 min ago #29

Yeah, it's a duck. LuvLoogie 24 min ago #30

And it's not American occupation of Gaza choie 24 min ago #31

Trump says he might use US troops for it muriel_volestrangler 21 min ago #32

He's lost whatever mind he had. spanone 18 min ago #33

He must be smoking what Trump is smoking surfered 15 min ago #35

I think that stroke fucked his brain vercetti2021 14 min ago #36

it's the kind of personality change i have seen. mopinko 11 min ago #37

Fetterman's position on Israel & Palestine has not changed. Even before he was elected, his views on this Wiz Imp 2 min ago #38

ShadesOfBlue

(52 posts)

1. Of course he does

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed Feb 5, 2025, 04:18 AM

4 hrs ago

What a monster

WiVoter

(1,176 posts)

2. WTF Happened To Him?

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed Feb 5, 2025, 04:19 AM

4 hrs ago

Sickening

True Blue American

(18,344 posts)

3. Just revealing what he really is!

Reply to WiVoter (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 5, 2025, 04:22 AM

4 hrs ago

Ponietz

(3,356 posts)

5. He's mentally unstable

Reply to WiVoter (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 5, 2025, 04:26 AM

4 hrs ago

It’s on the record.

Pris

(19 posts)

8. I never really liked him

Reply to WiVoter (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 5, 2025, 04:40 AM

4 hrs ago

He was better than Oz but he was never great.
I think he is cozying up to Trump.

Deminpenn

(16,451 posts)

12. Jmo, but the Tree of Life synagogue shooting

Reply to WiVoter (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 5, 2025, 05:31 AM

3 hrs ago

happened during Fetterman's transition from Braddock mayor to lt gov. That tragedy deeply affected everyone in western PA. The shooter's motive was just pure hate. I suspect that incident just created a blind spot toward Israel.

mopinko

(72,145 posts)

13. brain damage.

Reply to WiVoter (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 5, 2025, 05:42 AM

3 hrs ago

personality changes after strokes happen and they’re rarely pretty.

Woodycall

(382 posts)

15. I think so too

Reply to mopinko (Reply #13)

Wed Feb 5, 2025, 05:59 AM

3 hrs ago

Walleye

(37,344 posts)

4. Does he think his constituents want us to send troops to Gaza?

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed Feb 5, 2025, 04:25 AM

4 hrs ago

rampartd

(1,386 posts)

14. not troops, jews. all of them

Reply to Walleye (Reply #4)

Wed Feb 5, 2025, 05:46 AM

3 hrs ago

trump's evangelical base are all rapture ready and prepping for the end of the world.

Bread and Circuses

(416 posts)

6. The Hoodie person in the Senate is a demagogue

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed Feb 5, 2025, 04:29 AM

4 hrs ago

This certain gym dressing senator supports war and genocide. Make sure you don’t donate to his campaign.

And don’t jump on me.

I support Israel’s right to defend itself. I want all people to have a homeland, safety and happy life.
I want Peace. But, this situation has been manipulated for YEARS to enrich the corporate military machine and line the pockets of evil people.

Less clear is why is the US supporting a person who The Hague has issued a warrant to arrest for war crimes.

The Israeli people do want a two state solution, they have marched in the streets to remove this person. But corruption keeps him in charge.

The same is happening to the US.
Time to call out the evil people.

The blood of innocents is on our hands and we are seeing how the greed and cruelty has taken over our country and will topple the democracy.

https://apnews.com/article/icc-israel-hamas-warrants-netanyahu-palestinian-arrest-73c854d072e0a1a41b19b2cb2cdd07fa

Mossfern

(3,423 posts)

34. Israelis want a two state solution

Reply to Bread and Circuses (Reply #6)

Wed Feb 5, 2025, 08:47 AM

17 min ago

but Palestinians don't.
How does one reconcile that?

Mister Ed

(6,438 posts)

7. Grrr. Our DU Terms of Service require us to support Democrats, but...

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed Feb 5, 2025, 04:31 AM

4 hrs ago

...how can we find a way to make someone like Fetterman support Democrats as well?

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madaboutharry

(41,543 posts)

21. A Zionist is a person who believes that Israel is the homeland of the Jewish people.

Reply to Post removed (Reply #9)

Wed Feb 5, 2025, 07:22 AM

1 hr ago

90% of Jews are Zionists. To lump 90% of Jews in the same category with fascists and racists is wrong.

samplegirl

(12,426 posts)

10. Get the hell out

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed Feb 5, 2025, 05:28 AM

3 hrs ago

of the Democratic Party!

Joinfortmill

(17,060 posts)

11. DINO

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed Feb 5, 2025, 05:30 AM

3 hrs ago

videohead5

(2,539 posts)

16. Pennsylvania

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed Feb 5, 2025, 06:07 AM

2 hrs ago

After Trump won Pennsylvania and Casey lost it looks like he was afraid that he was going to get voted out if he did not move to the right. He's selling his soul to keep his seat. Pathetic!

SunSeeker

(54,388 posts)

17. OMFG

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed Feb 5, 2025, 06:23 AM

2 hrs ago

no_hypocrisy

(49,897 posts)

18. JFC, Fetterman's talking and voting like he was raised in Dubois!!

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed Feb 5, 2025, 07:05 AM

1 hr ago

Escape

(99 posts)

19. Fetterman has gone...

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed Feb 5, 2025, 07:10 AM

1 hr ago

from an enigma to an embarrassment to an outrage.

RandiFan1290

(6,473 posts)

20. Democrats should do a better job vetting their candidates. nt

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed Feb 5, 2025, 07:18 AM

1 hr ago

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,930 posts)

22. I wonder if Conor Lamb could have beaten Mehmet Oz.

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed Feb 5, 2025, 07:41 AM

1 hr ago

Just wondering.

It's a long way until the next primary, but I will certainly support a Democrat.

Vinca

(51,499 posts)

23. WTF has happened to this guy? He's talking like a right-wing loony tune.

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed Feb 5, 2025, 07:57 AM

1 hr ago

If you're in Pennsylvania let him know what you think.

ellemb

(106 posts)

24. I will not vote for him again. I hope he gets primaried.

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed Feb 5, 2025, 08:02 AM

1 hr ago

doc03

(37,303 posts)

25. Sounds like Fetterman is the new Joe Manchin. nt

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed Feb 5, 2025, 08:13 AM

51 min ago

claudette

(4,925 posts)

26. Fetterman is acting

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed Feb 5, 2025, 08:17 AM

47 min ago

like a traitor to Democrats.

gab13by13

(26,165 posts)

27. Sounds to me like Fetterman got Lyndsey Graham'd

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed Feb 5, 2025, 08:20 AM

44 min ago

Too weird to do such a 180, there is more to the story.

dutch777

(3,804 posts)

28. Bummer, Fetterman is one of our Senators. Doubt that an email will help but I'll write one

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed Feb 5, 2025, 08:21 AM

43 min ago

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LuvLoogie

(7,714 posts)

30. Yeah, it's a duck.

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed Feb 5, 2025, 08:40 AM

24 min ago

Brain damage or not We need to primary him. He'll get a lot of MAGAT crossover though.

choie

(5,025 posts)

31. And it's not American occupation of Gaza

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed Feb 5, 2025, 08:40 AM

24 min ago

it's trump, Jared Kushner and their illegal cabal that will turn Gaza into trump casino and resorts.

muriel_volestrangler

(102,931 posts)

32. Trump says he might use US troops for it

Reply to choie (Reply #31)

Wed Feb 5, 2025, 08:43 AM

21 min ago

So it could be American lives at risk. The Fallujah reference is relevant.

spanone

(138,055 posts)

33. He's lost whatever mind he had.

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed Feb 5, 2025, 08:46 AM

18 min ago

surfered

(4,632 posts)

35. He must be smoking what Trump is smoking

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed Feb 5, 2025, 08:49 AM

15 min ago

vercetti2021

(10,421 posts)

36. I think that stroke fucked his brain

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed Feb 5, 2025, 08:50 AM

14 min ago

mopinko

(72,145 posts)

37. it's the kind of personality change i have seen.

Reply to vercetti2021 (Reply #36)

Wed Feb 5, 2025, 08:53 AM

11 min ago

the fight goes out of a fighter, and they go all kumbaya.

Wiz Imp

(3,290 posts)

38. Fetterman's position on Israel & Palestine has not changed. Even before he was elected, his views on this

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed Feb 5, 2025, 09:02 AM

2 min ago

issue were terrible. He even admitted he was not a Progressive with regards to Israel & Palestine. I'm not defending him in any way on this. Some of the things he's said on this issue in the past year+ have made me sick. I just want people to be clear - do not blame this on his stroke or his moving to the right after getting elected. That is actually letting him off the hook. He has always been awful on this and criticism of him should acknowledge that.

Article from April 2022, 7 months before he was elected:

https://jewishinsider.com/2022/04/john-fetterman-says-hell-lean-in-on-u-s-israel-relationship-as-senator/
John Fetterman says he’ll ‘lean in’ on U.S.-Israel relationship as senator

“I would also respectfully say that I’m not really a progressive in that sense,” he added. “Our campaign is based on core Democratic values and principles, and always has been, and there is no daylight between myself and these kinds of unwavering commitments to Israel’s security.”

During the interview, Fetterman took special pains, it seemed, to do just that, at one point anticipating a question about U.S. funding for Israel before it had been posed to him. “Let me just say this, even if I’m asked or not, I was dismayed by the Iron Dome vote,” Fetterman said, alluding to a small cohort of far-left House members who, last September, opposed legislation that would provide $1 billion to replenish Israel’s missile-defense system following the conflict last May with Hamas in Gaza. “I would never vote in that regard.”

“Israel has the supreme right to defend itself, especially when there are thousands of rockets being indiscriminately fired at innocent civilians,” he argued. “I believe that the vote was misguided, and that is something that I would never be a part of.”

Fetterman said he is “equally passionate” in his opposition to the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement targeting Israel. “It’s just wrong,” he said. “Israel is our closest ally and friend in the region, and I do not believe that is anything productive that enhances not only Israel’s security but the region’s security through that process.”

A second article from September 2022, 2 months before the elction:

https://jacobin.com/2022/09/john-fetterman-palestine-israeli-occupation-foreign-policy-us-military-aid
John Fetterman Is Right About Many Things — but He’s Dead Wrong on Palestine

And when it comes to Palestine, John Fetterman might as well be Dr Oz. In statements to the Republican Jewish Coalition, Oz has tried to portray Fetterman as an advocate for the rights of Palestinians.

I wish this were true. The way the Israeli state “manage[s] the Palestinian population” has involved severe violations of the human and democratic rights of millions of people on both sides of the “Green Line” separating “Israel proper” from the territories it conquered in 1967 — not to mention all the Palestinian families across the region and the rest of the world who have been legally denied their basic right to return to the country since they were expelled from it during Israel’s 1948 War of Independence.

Palestinians on the Israeli side of the line are openly treated as second-class citizens, with mainstream Israeli politicians routinely wringing their hands about the “demographic threat” posed by the higher birth rates of Palestinian citizens in a way that would sound outright fascist if it came out of the mouth of an American politician talking about the birth rate of an ethnic minority group here.

Absurdly praising Israel’s supposed “democratic values,” Fetterman accurately said of himself in the Jewish Insider interview that he’s “not really a progressive in that sense.” That would presumably be the “sense” in which the “progressive” position on Palestine involves criticism of unconditional US aid to Israel. John Fetterman has, in other words, unashamedly confessed to being what’s sometimes known as a PEP — a “progressive except for Palestine.”

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