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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumsthe failure to deal with Jan 6th lead to this
Lets face it we treated the insurrectionists with kid gloves. If it was anyone else it would have been put down before they even reached the steps. The capitol police should have opened fire on the mob the moment they start breaking into the building.
radius777
(3,921 posts)first was the big mistake. On day one Merrick Garland should have made it his duty to prosecute and convict the traitor.
dchill
(42,660 posts)We ALL saw him do it live.
RockRaven
(18,740 posts)trust in obsolete or corrupted systems -- the same error made by people in the relevant government offices in question.
RJ-MacReady
(603 posts)DSandra
(1,697 posts)Is America's judiciary a joke? It sure looks like it.
Look at Brazil and South Korea.
LeftInTX
(34,015 posts)It seems to be a vicious cycle. Lula was already impeached about 12 years ago. Then, the one after him got impeached. Then the one that impeached the one after Lula got impeached. They like to impeach the impeachers.
This is also the second time in eight years that S Korea has thrown out their president
radius777
(3,921 posts)leaders like Mueller, Garland, McConnell and even Biden felt about this - that they didn't want America to become like other countries where each successive leader seeks to lock up the prior leader. But our establishment failed to understand that Trump is an existential threat to the Republic, who sought to stop the peaceful transfer of power by inciting a violent insurrection. He's a traitor and should have (a) been impeached and (b) convicted of sedition. By not doing that, we are truly becoming the banana republic 'the establishment' feared.
And the Republicans in the Congress allowed it when they voted against impeachment. There really is no such thing as a Republican anymore. They are all MAGA cowards now. MAGA has consumed the Republican Party like a cancer. John McCain is spinning in his grave. You know you are a radical fascist and anti-American when a conservative like Liz Cheney stands against you. I am a Progressive but we would have been light years better off with an opponent like Mitt Romney rather than these deranged MAGA Fascists. Trump should have been impeached and convicted.
kansasobama
(1,750 posts)Yes, some Dems have woken up but it is alarming leaders like Durbin, Pelosi. Schumer are so beholden to "customs", they would rather wait out. Durbin is so no-energy senator. I understand it is tiring. But they have signed up to be representatives and the country is burning. Where is Obama? I don't get it. It looks like Dems themselves were not believing the gravity of the situation and were so unprepared. It is improving some now. Pelosi shut down AOC. For what? AOC can speak better than anyone.
RJ-MacReady
(603 posts)hlthe2b
(112,842 posts)I have tried hard not to direct my wrath at Merrick Garland these past few years, but this would have been his ultimate decisionnot Chris Wray's (albeit I've had my doubts about him, too).
Karasu
(2,003 posts)Last edited Sat Feb 8, 2025, 04:07 AM - Edit history (1)
Trump (or anyone really, now that so many have been fucking pardoned) accountable was the beginning of the end.
I said it Jan 7th 2021, this will huant us later. Ashli Babbitt got what she deserved.
Baron2024
(1,492 posts)Exactly right.
iemanja
(57,417 posts)Thank Garland instead.
DENVERPOPS
(13,003 posts)with the 1980 election, the 2000 election, The 2004 election, and the 2016 election, lead to this..........
Nasruddin
(1,178 posts)Alas this is on JB.
I don't think a Cossacks at the Winter Palace moment would have been right, however.
AKwannabe
(6,877 posts)Gnight!
AKwannabe
(6,877 posts)Ill rec the title even tho I dont know you.
LiberalArkie
(19,329 posts)Caused this.
Eddie Haskell 60
(39 posts)The Democratic party completely failed in the swift prosecution of Trump and his seditious supporters.
meadowlander
(5,098 posts)Letting those little peckerheads get away scot-free after shutting down counting of a Federal election just emboldened them and it's been almost straight down hill since them.
It's not going to stop until there are actual consequences for subverting democracy.
uponit7771
(93,491 posts)Emile
(40,671 posts)FoxNewsSucks
(11,503 posts)JI7
(93,235 posts)I agreer they should have shut them down harder. But look at how they claim Babbit is a victim. A certain segment of the population would not suddenly stop supporting the shit becsuse they were dealt with in a a tougher manner.
Here is the reality, a certain significant percentage of the population doesn't care that Trump is a rapist and fraud. They don't care if he sold secrets to Russia.
radius777
(3,921 posts)they're going to watch Fox 24/7 and vote R anyway - it's the broad center of the electorate we needed to convince. By letting Trump walk it sent the message that nothing really serious happened, which played into the right's narrative.
PJMcK
(24,771 posts)Our country has never erased the racist stain caused by slavery. Our governments have always said, Lets look forward, not backwards. This has meant that traitors and criminals get away with their crimes.
Trump is example No. 1.
Im fairly pessimistic about the U.S. Too many of our fellow citizens are just plain stupid racists.
Seeking Serenity
(3,280 posts)Can it, ever, from your point of view? If so, what would it take? If not, what happens then?
Honest questions (and please avoid the overused and simplistic answer "reparations," because that's what "what would it take" is asking about).
dem4decades
(13,703 posts)My wife doesn't want to go anywhere if there's a chance, she'll be in the company of a MAGA, and so far, we've changed where we eat and who we visit.
BigMin28
(1,822 posts)Insurrection or coup is a practice run.
Dem4life1234
(2,533 posts)This country should deal with treasonous acts the way other countries did to the perpetrators.
You send an example to the menaces.
To have pardoned them is a slap in the face.
Furthermore, this bloated orange monster should have been thrown in prison. His MAGAt dunces will whine, but who cares?
Why can't the USA get it right?
RandiFan1290
(6,675 posts)kansasobama
(1,750 posts)Yes, some older people like me knock on Senator's doors. However, I see more crowds in a KU basketball game than at Moran's office. I was thinking, do these kids know they are in a country careening towards fascism? Media and tech bros with Trump is very serious. Social media will parrot Trump message. Frankly, I do not know how to wake up people. Yes. Garland failing on Jan 6th and failure to impeach Trump after Jan 6th may have sealed our fate. Even now, I am so tired of seeing Dems following norms as Trump is coming with a sword to end democracy