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Behind the Aegis

(55,172 posts)
Tue Feb 11, 2025, 04:37 PM Feb 11

Shlomo Mansur, oldest hostage in Gaza, was killed on Oct. 7, Israel announces

The oldest hostage in Gaza is not alive, Israeli authorities announced on Tuesday.

Shlomo Mansur was killed 16 months ago, during Hamas’ attack on Israel on Oct. 7, 2023, and his body was taken to Gaza, Israeli officials said they determined after assessing intelligence data gathered in recent months. He was 85 at the time and is survived by a wife, five children and 12 grandchildren.

Mansur, who moved to Israel as a child after his family fled their native Iraq following the 1941 anti-Jewish pogrom known as the Farhud, was a longtime member of Kibbutz Kissufim. Eight other members of the kibbutz and six foreign nationals who worked there were killed during Hamas’ attack.

“This is one of the most difficult days in the history of our kibbutz,” the kibbutz said in a statement. “Shlomo was much more than a community member to us — he was a father, a grandfather, a true friend and the beating heart of Kissufim.”

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Shlomo Mansur, oldest hostage in Gaza, was killed on Oct. 7, Israel announces (Original Post) Behind the Aegis Feb 11 OP
I think hamas is confused osteopath6 Feb 11 #1
it was a negotiation. the staggered releases are what was negotiated. maxsolomon Feb 11 #3
Doubt it Mountainguy Feb 11 #4
well, that's one scenario. maxsolomon Feb 11 #5
Yeah, pure bullshit. AloeVera Feb 11 #7
Say wha? Hamas making up lies to excuse their sudden refusal to release any more hostages Beastly Boy Feb 11 #11
Another take osteopath6 Feb 11 #6
There will not be another 10/7 osteopath6 Feb 11 #8
Oh no. Mike 03 Feb 11 #2
Sadly, most know little about Jewish history. Behind the Aegis Feb 11 #10
Sad MustLoveBeagles Feb 11 #9
🕯️💔 Meowmee Feb 11 #12
 

osteopath6

(195 posts)
1. I think hamas is confused
Tue Feb 11, 2025, 04:41 PM
Feb 11

They seem to think the release of hostages is a negotiation. I hate war, but allowing them to drag their feet and drag this out will only allow more 10/7 massacres.

maxsolomon

(36,024 posts)
3. it was a negotiation. the staggered releases are what was negotiated.
Tue Feb 11, 2025, 05:23 PM
Feb 11

don't know what else hamas would think.

there will not be another 10/7. Gaza's border will be fortified so that a break-out through the fence is impossible.

whatever happens in the future of this conflict, it will be different.

Mountainguy

(1,539 posts)
4. Doubt it
Tue Feb 11, 2025, 05:27 PM
Feb 11

The border won't be fortified because there won't be a border. It'll be from the river to the sea, but with no Palestinians there.

The abandoned Harris folks made sure that's the outcome.

maxsolomon

(36,024 posts)
5. well, that's one scenario.
Tue Feb 11, 2025, 05:41 PM
Feb 11

I still think that driving 2.25 million unwilling Gazans into Egypt is unlikely, and that MFer is up to his eyeballs in bullshit.

AloeVera

(2,336 posts)
7. Yeah, pure bullshit.
Tue Feb 11, 2025, 06:22 PM
Feb 11

But it serves the purpose of killing the ceasefire before the part where Palestinians would benefit.

I also think it's all a ruse to make the coming annexation by Israel look less evil by comparison.

Beastly Boy

(11,784 posts)
11. Say wha? Hamas making up lies to excuse their sudden refusal to release any more hostages
Tue Feb 11, 2025, 10:31 PM
Feb 11

is not what served the purpose of killing the cease fire?

I mean, they are on record making up lies to refuse releasing any more hostages. They literally announced to the whole world that they do not intend to abide by their obligations under the terms of the cease fire. They suspended the only incentive Israel had in maintaining the cease fire in the first place.

Hamas just killed the cease fire before the part that would benefit Israel. They already DID IT, for gawd's sake! It happened right before your eyes.

And you are saying... what???

 

osteopath6

(195 posts)
6. Another take
Tue Feb 11, 2025, 06:20 PM
Feb 11

Is that passing on the numerous opportunities for statehood was an unforced error made because of pressure by groups who think like Hamas. They use terror and stall tactics to drag out the suffering as long as possible in order to maintain their "resistance" (to peace? to life?) which is what Khameni just said word for word.

 

osteopath6

(195 posts)
8. There will not be another 10/7
Tue Feb 11, 2025, 06:23 PM
Feb 11

Israel will indeed make sure of that.

The negotiation was you release the hostages in exchange for a ridiculous number of prisoners. THOUSANDS of terrorists have been released and put back on the streets, give the hostages back without delay or I suspect Israel will finally give Hamas what it has coming.

I didn't support the ceasefire terms. I believe the military operation has as much chance to recover living hostages as negotiations.

Mike 03

(18,211 posts)
2. Oh no.
Tue Feb 11, 2025, 04:46 PM
Feb 11

Terribly sad. BBC World Service has referred to him numerous times; I thought his release had to be soon. But naturally because of his age I was scared to death about his condition.

Just horrible, atrocious. I feel awful for his family and friends. I hope they have a good support system.



(I also didn't know there was an antisemitic purge in Iraq, at the exact same time as the Holocaust was starting up.)

Behind the Aegis

(55,172 posts)
10. Sadly, most know little about Jewish history.
Tue Feb 11, 2025, 10:00 PM
Feb 11

Trust, this is not a slam on you, because it is most people, including, sadly, many Jews, who are unaware of the history of the Jews. Most knowledge of Jews is limited to Israel, Zionism, the Holocaust, and Yiddishisms and most only know the bare minimum.

The Holocaust was already into its third year by the time the Iraq pogrom was underway. There were several of them throughout the Arab world. It is important to remember, as well, many of those places were still under the auspices of WESTERN European nations. Most also don't know these types of events happened throughout the Arab world after the Holocaust.

Meowmee

(7,698 posts)
12. 🕯️💔
Tue Feb 11, 2025, 10:43 PM
Feb 11

Hamas’s propaganda is fooling the West, whitewashing its brutality while Israeli hostages endure starvation and torture. The world must stop enabling their lies.

https://m.jpost.com/opinion/article-841541

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