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bigtree

(93,321 posts)
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 05:57 PM Feb 2025

It should make your blood boil to hear people pretend Democrats should be able to control or prevent what Trump is doing

...it always has the feel of a setup, to me.

All the while I'm fighting my heart out for Joe Biden, then Kamala Harris, the drag on those efforts - much of it coming, ostensibly, from inside of our own party - was insidious, and in the end, withering and overpowering.

Democratic voters failed to show up in the margins they elected Joe Biden with, and now it seems that so many believe it's fine to trash the Democrats we managed to elect for not using the next-to-nothing we provided them with to stop republicans from voting like resurrected fascist zombies as they work to tear down the nation and deliberately harm Americans.

They have the elevation of their offices to speak to us, to inform us about what republicans are doing, and what they are doing, and to mobilize us. But when they do, and they do this almost daily, certainly collectively so - they get taunted for not doing more than talk.

Do folks really know what our Dem legislators main task is right now?

Showing up in the committees where the republican majority in the House is carving up the benefits Americans rely on to pass a 4 trillion dollar-plus tax giveaway (no strings, no work requirements or drug tests) with the vast bulk of the money going straight into the pockets of several dozen of the richest people in the nation.

Showing up and voting against each and every one of them before they come to the floor for a full House vote.

And talking. Talking about us. Democrats are the only ones in those conference rooms right now who are speaking out on behalf of American workers, American families, American prerogatives which republicans are hellbent on stealing right off our plates and out of our nation's children's mouths.

THAT"S what Democrats are doing right now, when they're not out listening to and talking to the people. Not just the performative stuff to get YOUR attention to call republican offices, and do more than just demand what you expect from the party out of power.

Democrats are doing the jobs we sent them there for, despite not having the tools to do much more than squat to change republican votes for their cult leader's anti-American rout.

IF we are ever to pull the nation and ourselves out from under this fascist regime's repressive takeover of American government, we will need to ELECT MORE DEMOCRATS. It's just that simple and direct.

If we fail to regain the majority of both or, at least, one of the bodies of Congress, we will be virtually unable to stop much of anything they are doing.

IF WE FAIL TO ELECT MORE DEMOCRATS WE WON'T BE ABLE TO STOP TRUMP OR HIS REPUBLICANS.

We need to support Democrats. We just do.

Anyone doing anything other than supporting Democrats is threatening to keep us bogged down fighting this travesty indefinitely. It literally makes my skin crawl when I see it coming from our own party.

Support Democrats, don't drag on the party. Elevate what our elected Democrats are saying/doing, and share it out. That's what I believe most of us are doing here.

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It should make your blood boil to hear people pretend Democrats should be able to control or prevent what Trump is doing (Original Post) bigtree Feb 2025 OP
Unbelievable malaise Feb 2025 #1
Can I rec this 100 times? mcar Feb 2025 #2
I had the same reaction. LisaM Feb 2025 #13
Totally correct! And it infuriates me every time I hear/read it! nt 2 Meow Momma Feb 2025 #3
Like i said, the american people think its our job to go back to washington and turn down the voltage Volaris Feb 2025 #50
"We need to support Democrats. We just do." J_William_Ryan Feb 2025 #4
I think there are too many who want to "burn it all down" LeftInTX Feb 2025 #5
Yeah and then there's those like me who have heard that nonsense RandomNumbers Feb 2025 #15
That in itself is a fascist attitude Walleye Feb 2025 #29
Yeah, that's the mentality from Putin zorbasd Feb 2025 #51
Amen, bigtree! brer cat Feb 2025 #6
Bookmarking for next time the hateful ignorance makes my blood boil and skin crawl. betsuni Feb 2025 #7
This Aviation Pro Feb 2025 #8
Amen, bigtree. Thank you! ancianita Feb 2025 #9
Your right but we aint putting on our boots to go do something either oldmanlynn Feb 2025 #10
Splended rant. Also, ... planetc Feb 2025 #11
I don't hear anyone saying Dems should be able to control what senseandsensibility Feb 2025 #12
I know Dems are in a precarious position without much power Bev54 Feb 2025 #14
Thank you! GoCubsGo Feb 2025 #16
When the GOPs are united in their racist nihilism LuvLoogie Feb 2025 #17
Do NOT turn this back on us! AKwannabe Feb 2025 #18
THEY. ARE. IN. THE. MINORITY. bigtree Feb 2025 #27
Yes! betsuni Feb 2025 #39
Sing! mcar Feb 2025 #44
"They have THE POWER WE GAVE THEM!" W_HAMILTON Feb 2025 #34
Great post! Absolutely spot on PortTack Feb 2025 #19
Kicketykick and KnR X 100 Hekate Feb 2025 #20
100% Agree with what you said! Dem4life1970 Feb 2025 #21
Beautifully said MerrilyMerrily Feb 2025 #22
Well said Bigtree! FakeNoose Feb 2025 #23
What they could do is present a more unified front Orrex Feb 2025 #24
Exactly Meowmee Feb 2025 #32
DU has always had that certain self-appointent contingent... Orrex Feb 2025 #36
Yes, crazy imo Meowmee Feb 2025 #45
Mainly because folks DownriverDem Feb 2025 #25
Yep. I've learned it ain't just those on the right that need a civics lesson... W_HAMILTON Feb 2025 #35
I hear it from uninformed people BaronChocula Feb 2025 #26
It doesn't make my blood boil when I hear our Canadian neighbors say that. It just makes me sad. pnwmom Feb 2025 #28
why the fuck would I be talking to Canadians right now? bigtree Feb 2025 #31
I didn't say YOU would be. Your OP said "your blood should boil" -- and that includes Democrats like me. pnwmom Feb 2025 #46
Thank you so much for saying this. It needed to be said. Wiz Imp Feb 2025 #30
Democratic voters DID NOT fail to show up to vote for Harris. SnoopDog Feb 2025 #33
Post removed Post removed Feb 2025 #37
Welcome back... sheshe2 Feb 2025 #41
Hi!! Have we met before?? I'm sure we have. Bye!!! GP6971 Feb 2025 #42
... sheshe2 Feb 2025 #43
This is true, democrats are out Linda ladeewolf Feb 2025 #38
Why people say Dems are not doing enough? kansasobama Feb 2025 #40
Thank you Progressive dog Feb 2025 #47
Great post. Quiet Em Feb 2025 #48
Saying it again........ BurnDoubt Feb 2025 #49
Anyone with a modicum of political knowledge ibegurpard Feb 2025 #52
Awesome post. greatauntoftriplets Feb 2025 #53
The Democrats in South Korea are the minority synni Feb 2025 #54

Volaris

(11,381 posts)
50. Like i said, the american people think its our job to go back to washington and turn down the voltage
Fri Feb 21, 2025, 05:50 PM
Feb 2025

after they juat voted to stick their fingers in the socket.

Not this time, not until we are actually returned to legislative and oversight power, and until then, they're gonna have to live with what they've done.

And I for one, am happy to tell them that.

J_William_Ryan

(3,317 posts)
4. "We need to support Democrats. We just do."
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 06:19 PM
Feb 2025

Correct.

And the lie that Democrats ‘aren’t doing anything’ is just that: a lie.

This is the consequence of being voted out of power – to be separated from the mechanics of governance, devoid of the authority to take political action.

The attacks on Democratic leaders and elected officials needs to stop – it’s ignorant and ridiculous.

LeftInTX

(34,013 posts)
5. I think there are too many who want to "burn it all down"
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 06:21 PM
Feb 2025

They figure "the revolution will happen" once the Democratic Party goes away.

RandomNumbers

(19,053 posts)
15. Yeah and then there's those like me who have heard that nonsense
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 07:53 PM
Feb 2025

over and over and over again. And the ones who want to "burn it all down" wonder why I have no patience for them.

yes, I know I should find effective ways to get through to them ... but I am so tired ...

Walleye

(43,764 posts)
29. That in itself is a fascist attitude
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 08:47 PM
Feb 2025

Tear it down so we can start over clean, that’s a fascist attitude.

betsuni

(28,670 posts)
7. Bookmarking for next time the hateful ignorance makes my blood boil and skin crawl.
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 06:24 PM
Feb 2025

An intelligent voice.

oldmanlynn

(775 posts)
10. Your right but we aint putting on our boots to go do something either
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 07:33 PM
Feb 2025

Sure we cant do much but protest and or fight but we shouldn’t just capitulate

planetc

(8,827 posts)
11. Splended rant. Also, ...
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 07:41 PM
Feb 2025

Paul Krugman has just said that Democrats in Congress don't need to do anything. They just need to stand by while Trusk digs the Republican party deeper and deeper into oblivion. While we elect more Democrats.

senseandsensibility

(24,219 posts)
12. I don't hear anyone saying Dems should be able to control what
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 07:47 PM
Feb 2025

trump is doing. I think almost everyone on DU is aware of the realities we face. But many things can and should be happening at once considering the extremity of the situations. We have no way of knowing what leadership is doing behind the scenes, but whatever it is could be enhanced by a better communication strategy. We all have our part to play, but instead of everyone just going off on their own, I think a plan would unify the efforts. And I think the Dem leadership has the platform to initiate a plan and galvanize support.

Bev54

(13,178 posts)
14. I know Dems are in a precarious position without much power
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 07:52 PM
Feb 2025

But when I hear of the openly agreeing or praising Trump, like NJ Murphy and Fetterman, it makes my blood boil. Nobody should forget those who have furthered his agenda in any way.

LuvLoogie

(8,495 posts)
17. When the GOPs are united in their racist nihilism
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 07:58 PM
Feb 2025

and in acquiescing, enabling, supporting Nazis and White Supremacists and their policies, then no Dem - and I mean NO DEM senator, should be voting to staff that fucked up regime. And every fucking Dem Rep needs to show up and vote to subpoena that Apartheid seig heilin shit head.

If leadership cannot round up OUR GUYS to simply stand in the gap, then WTF?

Not asking for CONTROL. Not asking for PREVENTION. That ship has sailed and sunk.

But you CAN flood the fucking zone while God sits on his throne eating guacamole.

AKwannabe

(6,871 posts)
18. Do NOT turn this back on us!
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 08:00 PM
Feb 2025

Fuck that bigtree!

Just no

They have THE POWER WE GAVE THEM!

bigtree

(93,321 posts)
27. THEY. ARE. IN. THE. MINORITY.
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 08:45 PM
Feb 2025

...goddamn government 101.

The republicans control ALL branches of government right now, from Congress to the Supreme Court.

They DON'T HAVE ENOUGH VOTES to independently subpoena anyone, initiate hearings for anything, get ANYTHING out of either body's committees on their own votes.

They can't even use any of the hearing rooms independent of republicans.

They can't initiate impeachment hearings, they can't schedule votes, they can't withstand republicans bringing up and advancing bills which aren't the budget resolution, and even then, likely only in the Senate where they have enough Dems to filibuster what republicans advance to the floor.

ANYTHING they mange with their votes in this Congress will need republican votes. Not many, but for fuck sure, they'lll need 3 in the House and I think 5 in the Senate.

Fucking not in power because not enough Democrats bothered to show up and vote for Democrats. That's the fucking game. You may not like the sound or sight of it, but the majority of people showing up at the polls wins the state, would have won the election.

And I know you're not trying to tell me that all of the whinging over a debate, and then about a high-functioning president who they claimed was too old in comparison with the similarly old opponent, wasn't the whingers' fault, because those idiots don't have a clue about how to practice opposition politics, much less win an election.

'Don't turn this back on us!'

Lawd. Who the hell do you think is going to show up at the polls if we don't? Who the hell is going to defend our Democrats to a majority if we don't?

Who the fuck is going to do that for us?

W_HAMILTON

(10,033 posts)
34. "They have THE POWER WE GAVE THEM!"
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 08:55 PM
Feb 2025

Which is none. We gave them no power.

Hillary and the rest of us told everyone that the Supreme Court for generations was on the line in 2016 -- and they didn't listen.

Kamala and the rest of us told everyone that Trump would bring fascism to our country and implement Project 2025 -- and they didn't listen.

Voters gave the Democrats no power, so don't blame Democrats now for all the bad shit coming to pass that Republicans are doing and we all warned everyone about.

We don't have the Presidency.
We don't have the Courts.
We don't have the House.
And Republicans can pass most of their fiscal wishes with a simple majority in the Senate due to reconciliation.

Dem4life1970

(1,043 posts)
21. 100% Agree with what you said!
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 08:22 PM
Feb 2025

If a person wants to go after someone go after Republicans! They control everything right now. The good, the bad, the ugly, it's all on their shoulders and their Orange God King. This is what they voted for. This is what they are doing. Let's stop the circular firing squad on Democrats and train our fire (metaphorically, not literally) on the GOP.

FakeNoose

(40,095 posts)
23. Well said Bigtree!
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 08:40 PM
Feb 2025

I will continue to support Democrats whenever I can, despite the disappointments. Now isn't the time to attack our own leaders, and the few Dems who have the courage to speak up.

Orrex

(66,652 posts)
24. What they could do is present a more unified front
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 08:40 PM
Feb 2025

No reaching across the aisle and no appeasement. Oppose every nominee, delay every legislative measure, and maybe have a talk with that guy from Pennsylvania who seems so fond of Trump's ideas lately.

They also need to make it clear and obvious that they're doing this. They can't let it happen in stealth or darkness, because 51% of the point is showing the Democratic constituency that they've got our back. If we have to dig for evidence of that, then most voters aren't going to bother, so it might as well not be happening.

I'm not asking for miracles, but at the end of the day I don't want to have to wonder if the party is fully committed to opposing Trump on every front.

Meowmee

(9,212 posts)
32. Exactly
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 08:54 PM
Feb 2025

And I will comment and criticize whenever I see fit. I voted to put many of these people in office for many years, and I have supported this party in which I am registered, for over 40 years. They serve for us, not the other way around.

Orrex

(66,652 posts)
36. DU has always had that certain self-appointent contingent...
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 08:59 PM
Feb 2025

that takes it as their sacred duty to pile-on DUers who don't toe the line. We saw it every time someone expressed frustration at the glacial pace of Garland's "investigation," and we're seeing it now.

No matter what catastrophic shitstorm is presently swirling, the most important thing is that no DUer express a normal, human response.

DownriverDem

(6,968 posts)
25. Mainly because folks
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 08:42 PM
Feb 2025

don't know how our government works. They keep calling for impeachment when the repubs run the House and will never do it.

BaronChocula

(4,006 posts)
26. I hear it from uninformed people
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 08:42 PM
Feb 2025

They're the same people who make strategy suggestions that are either outside the realm of legality or earthly possibility.

pnwmom

(110,186 posts)
28. It doesn't make my blood boil when I hear our Canadian neighbors say that. It just makes me sad.
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 08:45 PM
Feb 2025

I can't expect them to understand our screwed up system of government, which would let someone like Trump take over without a majority -- and yet claim a mandate. And his party did win BOTH Houses of Congress. (I know: gerrymandering. That's also a foreign concept to many.)

They also want to know why millions of Americans aren't in the streets protesting, as they insist Europeans would. How would you answer that?

bigtree

(93,321 posts)
31. why the fuck would I be talking to Canadians right now?
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 08:51 PM
Feb 2025

...on fucking Democratic Underground about our party and our responsibility to fix our government?

They have zero to do with what I wrote.

And let's not be disingenuous. Hundreds of thousands of Americans HAVE taken to the streets since the election and since the inauguration. Tell Canada to keep up.

This is about American democracy, and Canada needn't act as if they don't have their own kooky hardliners.

Besides, Democrats are allies, and we are Canada's best hope for a normalization of relations.

pnwmom

(110,186 posts)
46. I didn't say YOU would be. Your OP said "your blood should boil" -- and that includes Democrats like me.
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 11:48 PM
Feb 2025

My state borders Canada and everyone I know here has always felt connected to that country. So I HAVE been hearing Canadians express their dismay about what's happening here, and mystified about the D's inability to do much about it. And hearing them speak out doesn't make my blood boil. I understand where they're coming from.

Wiz Imp

(8,854 posts)
30. Thank you so much for saying this. It needed to be said.
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 08:50 PM
Feb 2025

Hopefully some of the people who really need to take this to heart will do so.

SnoopDog

(2,695 posts)
33. Democratic voters DID NOT fail to show up to vote for Harris.
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 08:54 PM
Feb 2025

And it is the Dem Party's fault. It's called voter suppression and republicans did EVERYTHING possible to prevent Americans from voting. There were law suits that resulted in allowing this voter suppression.

Where were our Democratic Party leaders informing the people in the States that this was going on? Where is the Democratic media like that of the republicans? There is literally only a hand full of media people on our side. They should have been in the swing states for the last 2 years ensuring that our voters vote.

Where is the Democratic Party supporting US? They take our donations - but I don't see any progress. I signed up with the DNC chair and I haven't received any feedback to this day.

We have to do MORE than just support Democrats. We need to make sure THEY are doing their jobs and fighting for Americans - everyday. And if a Dem politician fails to behave like a real Democrat (e.g. Manchin, Sinema) - then we VOTE them out.

The first most important thing the Dems to do is of course fight trump and republicans. The 2nd most important thing to do is to get into every state, especially swing states, and make sure Dem voters are on the voter rolls and that they are able to vote.

I DO NOT give the Dem Leadership and Dem Senators/Reps a pass at all. It is their job to win elections and govern the way we want them to.

Time grow a pair. We need everyone to fight this fascism.



Response to bigtree (Original post)

Linda ladeewolf

(1,095 posts)
38. This is true, democrats are out
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 09:03 PM
Feb 2025

Of power for now. I believe we can delay what the republicans are trying to do, though. Stop spending your money at any establishment that favors republicans. The only thing any of them care about is money. They want your money in their bank accounts. Don’t give it to them. I just canceled my Amazon acct. I’m doing the prep work to cancel PayPal. I know we have to buy some things from people we don’t like, but we can try to find other alternatives. We have to pick and choose where. There are at least 80 million or close to that number of Americans that hate what is going on. If all 80 million of those voters stop putting their money into the businesses of the billionaires it is going to hurt them.

kansasobama

(1,750 posts)
40. Why people say Dems are not doing enough?
Thu Feb 20, 2025, 09:05 PM
Feb 2025

Because, barring some. they are not doing much. So, to win over, you have to go the public AND SPEAK UP. This is where they look not very convincing.

It is the job of politicians that they fire up people. Dems are not doing enough of it. Dis you see Hakeem Jeffries? Also, you have to think about what kind danger we are facing. We are talking about a fascist dictatorship. Do you see many Dems speaking that indicates the emotion needed to fight this danger? Pelosi was everywhere speaking against Biden. Where is she now?

I am not moving away from Dems. But, I am allowed to criticize my party

BurnDoubt

(1,411 posts)
49. Saying it again........
Fri Feb 21, 2025, 05:47 PM
Feb 2025

Democrats need to become the face of compassion. Be there to help those made vulnerable and helpless and oppressed. Find resources and strategies to meet their needs and bear them up in the absence of the safety net left bombed-out by the paragons of virtuous austerity, self-appointed to do a job no legitimate authority approved or sanctioned and absent the will of the majority of Americans, because they were NEVER consulted. We need all the people, and the best people, committed to supporting each other and navigating this maelstrom. See to the people and their troubles. Time for Democrats to live up to their Promise. Be Here Now!

ibegurpard

(17,074 posts)
52. Anyone with a modicum of political knowledge
Fri Feb 21, 2025, 06:14 PM
Feb 2025

Knows that Democrats don't have the numbers to prevent anything a united Republican Party is bent on doing.
However people rightfully expect Democrats to stand in UNISON loudly opposing this unprecedented ATTACK on our system of government.
How can anyone expect Democrats to be taken seriously when they spent the lead-up to the last campaign trumpeting the threat posed by Republicans and then turn around and offer conciliatory rhetoric and vote to confirm dangerous and unqualified nominees???
Yes they've started to change their tune but it should've been that way from the moment the election was called. It's unconscionable that some of them had to be forced and shamed into doing so and many elected Democrats have done serious damage to our morale to fight and organize moving forward.

synni

(672 posts)
54. The Democrats in South Korea are the minority
Fri Feb 21, 2025, 07:06 PM
Feb 2025

They managed to handle their political crisis just fine.

It's a little thing called courage.

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