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BeyondGeography

(40,194 posts)
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 06:25 PM 4 hrs ago

Merz vows independence from Trump's America and compares him to Putin

BERLIN — Friedrich Merz did not even wait for the final results in Germany's election before delivering what could well be a defining verdict on U.S. President Donald Trump, consigning Europe's 80-year alliance with the United States to the past. The Trump administration does not care about Europe and is aligning with Russia, said Merz, who is on course to become Germany's new leader. The continent, he warned, must urgently strengthen its defenses and potentially even find a replacement for NATO — within months.

Merz's comments mark a historic watershed: They reveal how deeply Trump has shaken the political foundations of Europe, which has depended on American security guarantees since 1945. If he follows through on his rhetoric after assembling a new government in the coming weeks, Merz will steer Europe in a radical new direction at a critical time for the security of Ukraine and the wider region.

“My absolute priority will be to strengthen Europe as quickly as possible so that, step by step, we can really achieve independence from the USA.,” Germany's chancellor-in-waiting said. “I never thought I would have to say something like this on a television program. But after Donald Trump's statements last week at the latest, it is clear that the Americans, at least this part of the Americans, this administration, are largely indifferent to the fate of Europe.”

…Merz even went as far as to liken the Trump administrations recent tactics to those of Russia. He was especially critical of tech billionaire Trump adviser Elon Musk for endorsing the far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) party in the German election. "I have absolutely no illusions about what is happening from America," Merz said during a televised debate on Sunday night. "Just look at the recent interventions in the German election campaign by Mr Elon Musk — that is a unique event. The interventions from Washington were no less dramatic and drastic and ultimately outrageous than the interventions we have seen from Moscow. We are under such massive pressure from two sides that my absolute priority now really is to create unity in Europe."

More at https://www.politico.eu/article/friedrich-merz-germany-election-united-states-donald-trump-nato/
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Merz vows independence from Trump's America and compares him to Putin (Original Post) BeyondGeography 4 hrs ago OP
Merz's comments mark a historic watershed: They reveal how deeply Trump has shaken the political foundations of Europe, elleng 4 hrs ago #1
Came up in the CDU with Merkel Prairie Gates 4 hrs ago #2
Agent Krasnov is already crowing about it Crunchy Frog 4 hrs ago #7
He has no idea MLWR 3 hrs ago #11
Probably b/c AfD came in a strong 2nd. mwooldri 2 hrs ago #14
I do think many in the world... Lovie777 4 hrs ago #3
doing the job americans won't do lol nt msongs 4 hrs ago #4
Good for Merz. WE have no illusions either B.See 4 hrs ago #5
Sad but necessary newdeal2 4 hrs ago #6
excellent creon 4 hrs ago #8
I stand with Europe MagickMuffin 3 hrs ago #9
He's right. And we will never recover our standing in the world. Scrivener7 3 hrs ago #10
They can have beneficial relations with developing countries to oppose this US power play. David__77 3 hrs ago #12
Trump is a problem alright. markodochartaigh 3 hrs ago #13
Damn right! calimary 1 hr ago #17
From a long term, internationalist view point.... reACTIONary 1 hr ago #15
This really puts into perspective why Pootie pushed AllyCat 1 hr ago #16
I was ashamed when our country invaded Iraq. I am more ashamed of it now. Martin Eden 31 min ago #18

elleng

(138,248 posts)
1. Merz's comments mark a historic watershed: They reveal how deeply Trump has shaken the political foundations of Europe,
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 06:28 PM
4 hrs ago

which has depended on American security guarantees since 1945. . .

…Merz even went as far as to liken the Trump administrations recent tactics to those of Russia. He was especially critical of tech billionaire Trump adviser Elon Musk for endorsing the far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) party in the German election.'

Prairie Gates

(4,142 posts)
2. Came up in the CDU with Merkel
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 06:45 PM
4 hrs ago

She no doubt laid out for him exactly what he would be dealing with.

Conservative here will paint this as a rightward shift, which it certainly is to some extent, buit remember that Merkel's Germany was something like what we would dream of as a Democratic adminsitration in the US. Trump and Musk have no friend in this guy, and the results were pretty clear that Germans want *this* version of conservatism (a kind of soft neoliberalism) rather than the AfD nonsense.

Crunchy Frog

(27,354 posts)
7. Agent Krasnov is already crowing about it
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 07:07 PM
4 hrs ago

as some kind of MAGA victory.

He obviously has no idea what a conservative party is in the European context.

mwooldri

(10,552 posts)
14. Probably b/c AfD came in a strong 2nd.
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 08:39 PM
2 hrs ago

Germany has swung right. Pity the former DDR states swung towards AfD.

I'm just glad CDU/CSU are holding firm on no coalition with AfD.

B.See

(4,549 posts)
5. Good for Merz. WE have no illusions either
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 06:51 PM
4 hrs ago

as to exactly what Trump and his Nazi loving fascists ARE.

newdeal2

(1,781 posts)
6. Sad but necessary
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 06:53 PM
4 hrs ago

There will be some short term pain though, as they will need to shift budgets towards security and the military.

creon

(1,207 posts)
8. excellent
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 07:09 PM
4 hrs ago

Europe has to move away from the USA.
Trump, who is gaga ( so is Musk), is a malevolent force.

Step by step, move away from the USA.

Make a new Security organzation with out the USA and leave Nato an empty shell.

MagickMuffin

(17,402 posts)
9. I stand with Europe
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 07:11 PM
3 hrs ago


The make America great again movement is going to crumble to the sea, The gig is up, people are waking up.


Scrivener7

(54,067 posts)
10. He's right. And we will never recover our standing in the world.
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 07:16 PM
3 hrs ago

That's probably a good thing. Apparently we didn't deserve our standing in the world.

markodochartaigh

(2,303 posts)
13. Trump is a problem alright.
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 08:06 PM
3 hrs ago

But, Europe is having to deal with the real problem. A US where a third of the electorate voted for Trump, and where a third couldn't be bothered to vote against an authoritarian Strong Leader is not an ally which can be relied upon.

And no, some of those who voted for Trump or who didn't vote can't be excused because they didn't know what they were voting for, or refraining from voting for. Trump and maga were open about their plans. Trump had already had a term in office. If you have a vote it is your responsibility to educate yourself. If you drive a car and never stop at stop signs it is no excuse when you kill someone that you didn't know that stop signs really mean that you have to stop.

reACTIONary

(6,306 posts)
15. From a long term, internationalist view point....
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 09:16 PM
1 hr ago

.... there is a positive side to this. It may help clarify European thinking and mover the EU towards a less divided and more cohesive polity. In the way the prospect of being hung in the morning tends to help sort out what is and is not important.

Maybe we will someday see a United States of Europe, rather than a European Union.

AllyCat

(17,516 posts)
16. This really puts into perspective why Pootie pushed
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 09:26 PM
1 hr ago

Brexit. Divide and conquer knowing he had Kraznov in his shorts.

Martin Eden

(13,862 posts)
18. I was ashamed when our country invaded Iraq. I am more ashamed of it now.
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 10:39 PM
31 min ago

Not ashamed of the good people passionately resisting the evil which has befallen us, but we cannot entirely separate ourselves from our government.

And though we may cast off the fascism inflicted by the choice of our fellow citizens and begin to rebuild what was lost, the trust and fellowship we once shared with European democracies will neither be soon nor easily be repaired.

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