Why would Trump allow elections when he should know without a doubt that they will not go well for him given what is is doing to Americans regardless of whether they are Democrats or Republicans.

I’ve heard folks talk optimistically about the upcoming midterms. I’m just hoping the word gets out.

..... try and throw out the bums and gain control. They will get out to vote in droves to toss out the Trump cultist.
But here is what we all have to remember.

Something like 1 in 24 or 78 million. The election was dirty.

"Evidence shows vote manipulation in Ohio using graphs comparing voting patterns from 2016 and 2024."
Such as the the last senatorial election which got us a sleazy car salesman.

I like that phrase better than unlikely.

This is so frustrating. I haven't paid much attention to this because I/we knew they were going to cheat and manipulate, some way, somehow. So we needed to have an overwhelming win to negate their corrupt bullshit. We didn't, unfortunately, not enough to give Dems the confidence to fight for audits. On the other hand, I'm not sure our numbers could subdue Musk-level criminality and power. He bought himself a presidency.

Now, who can or will take this on? It seems the time has passed.

Or, is this the type of information that can gain momentum, especially as people get more and more disgusted with the chaos and destruction? We need to expose their corruption and this is the start of it all.

I'm just rambling to myself. lolol

On the front end they removed @ 5 million voters from challenges to people's right to vote, signature questions,
and DeJoy fucking with mail in ballots and on the back end Musk and the GRU were into the central tabulators
aka they were into the vote data. Russia also was sending email bomb threats to surgically picked precincts on
election day.

Trump knew the fix was in he was masturbating a mic stand, giving a blow job to a microphone, and talking about
the size of Arnold Palmer's dick in his home town.

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the narrative that Dems don't have the right message.

Was it Stalin who said something along the lines of “it doesn’t matter who votes, all that matters is who counts the votes…”? With electronic voting machines it doesn’t matter if 90% of the population votes D; with the push of a button you can flip that to “R”.

I’m afraid this is the reality America is now living.

They stole the election and Democrats are afraid to request audits.

They blacked out the 2 types of tabulator machines that were used to flip votes, probably for fear of being sued, but a mention was made of ES&S machines being one of the 2 rigged tabulator machines.

Unfuckingbelievable statistic that Harris didn't flip one red district to blue, even when Reagan won Democrats flipped many districts.

Stop blaming democrats for having the wrong messaging, stop saying that Democrats failed to relate to working class Americans.

Kamala Harris won the 2024 election and if this doesn't get audited we have zero chance of winning in 2026 and 2028.

One-hundred percent right on and a vigorous, endorsing, resounding second to every point you've made.

Besides bullshit artists are kinda fun to listen to and deal with. They smooth out the edges of daily boredom, so entertaining.

both independently figured this out a month ago and have been screaming it from the roof tops how the Republican Party screwed with the voters/votes particularly in Swing States.

Of course, now that the Republicans are all in place in the Federal Government, including Trump, Republican controlled Senate, Republican controlled House, Republican Controlled Supreme Court, Republican Commander in Chief of the entire Military, etc etc etc
it would make it near impossible to change anything at this point.

They have been working on this since they tampered with the Carter/Reagan election in 1980, and finally got their Slam Dunk, Check Mate............

As I have said countless times before, and I say again:

The perfect title for a book about the last 45+ years would be:

WHILE THE NATION SLEPT

WASF

gathering any and all proof and maybe trying to find whistleblowers?

Thanks for the tip to follow them re: this.

the Republicans have done it in many red states before, and they were never challenged on it by the Dems, this time they did it and the swing states in particular were targeted.

The Republicans do a massive purge of literally hundreds of thousands of voters from the registered voters in a state. They do it a few weeks before the election, so there is not time for anyone to investigate and react. They also do it in southern Red States and have for many elections....for instance Georgia. The purged voters are especially in heavily Dem precincts.

Google those two and put in purged voters.......it's out there. But no one is paying attention.......
In my opinion, I might add, the lack of Dems going after the probably fraud, and protesting the election the next day, could be that they were frightened of setting off a civil war on the day after the election......After all Trump had told the insurrectionists to: "Stand Back and Stand By".....and I am sure they were doing just that and waiting his command......

Yes, I'm aware of the purging; it actually happened to me in NC, but I caught it in time to rectify it.

I was thinking more along the lines of Musk fucking with machines. But I'll read up much more to get a better feel for the overall picture.

Dems were in a no-win situation with this mess. It's so hard to present facts to an ignorant populace and with complicit media.

There aren't millions of people claiming they tried to vote and were turned away. That would be "in plain site" as you say.

I believe it was rigged, but it was through software hacks that changed the vote totals. I agree, there are just too many oddities with vote totals in swing States, down ballot inconsistencies and with pre and exit polls with large numbers of (R)'s saying they voted for Harris. I even started a thread the week before the election stating Trump simply couldn't have enough voters to win if even 10% of 2020 voters didn't vote for him this time. I stand by it.

It would be very difficult to convince me the following:

- That virtually every voter who voted for Trump in 2020 voted for him in 2024
- The Republicans signed up millions of new, real voters who did so with the express purpose of voting for Trump in 2024
- About 10 million people who voted in 2020 to keep Trump from being elected stayed home in 2024 knowing he would be re-elected.
- The Harris campaign was lying all along about being confident they would win and must have been pushing false polls.
- The aforementioned Republican voters who said they voted for Harris were mostly lying.
- The candidate that cheated in 2016 and tried to cheat in 2020 did it all above board this time.
- Elon Musk didn't do anything at all to help Trump win even though he was trying to interfere in any way he could.

Too much to believe.

about looking into the election. I called Dan Goldman's office, and wanted to know more - I left a message.

That could only happen to those dumbass Magas.

But too many Democrats are just complacent and overconfident. After all, who but Magas would ever vote for Trump anyways?

Where did those 6 million votes that Biden received against Trump in '20 that Harris didn't get in '24 go?

It couldn't happen here.

If they didn't get done now they would never get another chance.

the cyber security chief for the 2020 election (and a Republican), whom Trump fired in a tweet for saying the election was the fairest and most secure in our history.

What exactly they stopped. It was obvious they stopped something specific, but we never heard what it was. I know they shut down a bunch of Russian "troll farms", but there was some specific plan that Russia had. Wonder what exactly it was. Trump know because it made him mad. But The Biden administration never "went there" and told us.

The traitor Donvict Trump was unable to talk for most of 2024, reduced to giving head to a microphone for laughs. Most everyone on my suburban Detroit street did not vote for the guy. Was in a family restaurant filled with people ages 40-and-up in Macomb "Reagan Democrat" County the other night, and nobody but nobody voted for the guy. In fact, nobody I know knows anyone who voted for the guy. There aren't enough treasonous and idiotic shmucks in Michigan for Trump to carry the state. And he won? I call, "Bull!"

Nt

they’ll only get better at cheating.

just not do anything. The smallest thing may help.

Thom Hartmann has been asking democratic representatives why blue states don't start gerrymandering and kicking voter in red districts off of the voting roles.

After all, the Supreme Court said both are legal.

If they had done this before the 2024 election they would have taken over the house.
If they don't do it before 2026 they will win nothing.

Perhaps the repubs will start squealing when they get a dose of their own medicine and we can put a stop to it everywhere.

https://hartmannreport.com/p/how-trump-and-the-gop-fixed-the-2026-c8a

.... YMBS: Yet More Bull Shit.

Did you watch the video? It's about numbers not about Bull Shit.

.... spare us the junk numerology.

are not doing phone or door to door interviews in swing state areas we were sure Kamala was
going to win????? Great if they are but I haven't heard of any. We need to hear from
the voters who they voted for.

I'd love to see a postcard mailed to every registered voter in swing state areas where polls showed
Kamala leading. Just a few simple questions M or F, party, age range, and who did you vote for for
President.

Have the postcards pre-addressed to something like "The Election Integrity Dept" , keep the term
Democrat completely off all the mailings.

We get enough evidence of fraud the SCOTUS might step up to the plate and do something. Keep
in mind they also might be afraid of what Musk/tsf could do to them the way they are dismantling
our Government. So getting rid of those 2 would be in their self-interest.

How many Trump voters do you know who would take the time to vote and then vote for Trump for President and then either not vote for the down ballot races or vote for the Democrat?

I don't know one. We are supposed to believe that's what happened?

We are supposed to believe that solid blue Las Vegas voted for Trump?

We are supposed to believe that Kamala Harris didn't flip one red district blue? It just doesn't happen naturally.

Doubting malaise

A lot of DU'ers started agitating extensively about it back then.

I've never understood why Dem leaders haven't objected to electronic voting and tabulation – it's one of the things that first undermined my confidence in them.

Nathan Taylor from Election Truth Alliance'

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220080224#post38

.. the Election Truth Alliance data on election tabulation interference (and voter suppression too ideally) findings are understood and acted upon and and a hand count in PA confirms what happened to inform our election security and stop them from stealing votes in 2026 too!!

Why do you all think that the mainstream press is ignoring it and why arent dem leaders talking about it? I have theories. There’s no way it hasn’t reached them yet, not by now.

Curious.

Well, at first I thought maybe the material was too dense for most reporters to be sure about and given that it’s a bombshell story, perhaps they are hesitant to publish it until they have confirmation.

Then I thought maybe the Congress folks and DNC and state AGs or governors had agreed with other dem insiders not to break it until they have more time to amass support at the grass roots level and launch their lawsuit so that the crazies don’t attack them and make it impossible to work.

It’s possible at first, everyone was just so shocked they went immediately from fighting to win to lying on the floor crying. And of course we had ALL been inoculated against making claims like maga did so we wouldn’t look like we are calling wolf. Plus we had spent a decade convincing ourselves how safe elections are.

I’ve heard of 3 congressional reps who have acknowledged shenanigans— Maxine Waters, Eric Swalwell, and Jasmine Crockett.

I’m getting a little worried that most of them just don’t believe it as time passes.

Best case scenario is that the big press (at least a dozen small time media articles plus Newsweek have stories already) is waiting for dem leaders to confirm, and dem leaders are taking time to hone the complex message, get security in place for existing ballots and ballot records so they aren’t destroyed, draft guidance for states for securing future elections, and gather more evidence and analysis before confirming it.

It’s striking though, the seeming vow of silence, or is it just hesitation by Marc Elias, Meidas Touch, other big influencers, the Brennan Center, the universities, think tanks, the DNC, Harris campaign, 99% of representatives, governors and AGs and secretaries of state. Maybe they need proof because it’s such a hot potato.

ETA did allude to new partnerships with more powerful players. Maybe it’s just getting an underground investigation going and preparing among so many partners for the legal challenges, breaking this story and its aftermath and implications. They need time.

Heaven knows they don’t have a DOJ…. Oh but wait, the state AGs could be getting ready to sue because they have their own state level investigators… hmmmm. Which swing states have dem AGs and secretaries of state and governors? Maybe Letitia James and Fani Willis will save us all.

like you to tell us your theories.

And like others have said, he started doing his truly nutty crap when he knew Musk had this in the bag for him. Musk put trump in office by diddling with the voting software. Its also why Musk was awarded his, "job," in the White House.

Who knows? Maybe the same boy geniuses who are currently rooting through all our personal data are the same people who accomplished the deed.

Dems play too nice, and they're afraid of looking like rethuglicans. They can't continue to act like they're above it all. If we're going to save this country--no longer hyperbole--we have to get down and dirty, and it has to come from the top.

Gerrymandering, voter suppression. Of course they'll cheat in hidden ways too.

— Ron