Can we put a stake in the thread about them caving now?

I was one of those "why are Dems caving?" complainers. I will be so, so, SO happy to be proven wrong!!!!

I am happy to be proven wrong too. Well, I didn't really predict anything, but I wasn't happy with what I was reading on bluesky and other places.
Maybe the phone calls helped!

Just read that Schumer capitulated. https://bsky.app/profile/dearlstephens.bsky.social/post/3lkc6ylrlrk2i

First, I was happy to be wrong. Now being right gives me no pleasure.

So thankful that the earlier reports were wrong.

Keep calling them and if they cave be ready to primary every one that did

This bill is bad for America!!

No more breaks for billionaires! No more unelected wealthy bureaucrats like Musk!

Don’t teach. Don’t explain. Just repeat a few key ideas. And tell Americans what you stand for!

…with the angry affect it deserves, because it’s total shit for the people! Give us a bill that’s good for America or go pound sand!

up and broadcasting it. They do need to keep repeating it and get louder with it because, unfortunately, they need the media to help them get their message out to lower information voters.

Nt

I don't want to jinx it by being hopeful, but if the Dems truly stand strong and don't cave it will be the first ray of hope I've had in a while.

Have heard this kind of crap better.

Rec

Until the midterms if need be or until Musk resigns and all the DOGE cuts are restored.

This dumpster fire belongs to the GOP

Let them squirm it out with their already disgruntled constituents…

...go figure.

Yup - that's much more like it!

...and if I was looking at the odds, making a bet, I would have taken heed of the vote in the House on the same bill which only got ONE Democratic vote out of 214.

Or, looked at the House budget reconciliation bill which we saw a unanimous Dem minority party vote against the republican majority.

Or, maybe listened to what the Dem leaders were saying.

Chuck Schumer @SenSchumer Mar 6
Whatever Trump and Republicans in Congress say

Here are the facts—The GOP budget goals mean they’re going to slash Medicaid or Medicare.

And all to give tax cuts to their billionaires’ club.

Democrats will never stop fighting for Medicaid and Medicare.

...although, even when I was working 6 days a week, I still cheated sleep getting the facts for myself and sharing them out.

I have good reason to have faith in people who've already fought republicans in often years long elections and won, many repeatedly. That's a no-brainer for me.

I do still wonder, though, what those folks at The Hill who gaslighted everyone here this morning is thinking up for their next Dem doubting demagoguery?

...and I seriously doubt people who say things like 'Dems are weak' or 'Dems aren't doing anything' or 'Dems will fold' or 'Dems don't know how to fight' are paying more attention to the party and our legislators than they are the inside of their own fearful minds.

I just do.

Can't prove any of that by me. People do try, though.

descriptors to people you don’t know. Just do yourself.

...or I would directly say so.

But I've had more replies from more folks, than just this one cordial converstion with you.

I'm sorry if I offended you, but that's been my experience. Not just looking at general responses, but assertions made that are just provably false.

That's what I'm talking about, facts, not your very valuable opinions which may disagree with my own, but facts to support assertions.

When they start seeing a lot more of this instead of lectures from leadership about too many phone calls and how they can't do anything because they're in the minority. Yeah we know. Use all the tools you can then be loud about it whip all your members to vote against the condemnation of the one member who had an effective protest against the Trump propaganda show and organize a united one next time.
Doing the everyday legislative work isn't enough if you can't find ways to let people know about it.

And here is their latest report which is probably due at least in part to senators being contacted en masse by people who want them to stand up and not knuckle under instead of just trusting them.
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5191508-senate-democrats-vote-government-funding-30-day-cr/

...but believing The Hill is quite another thing that I'd caution against any day of the week when it comes to Democrats.

They didn't have shit to run with on that report and buried the lede which said a decision hadn't been made.

There was a caucus meeting and a decision was made.

None of that occurred in the minds of Hill editors who gaslighted people here today. They just wanted the clickbait which was win-win for them.

bill as well. Before the vote last night, many thought that if Democrats in the House were united and got few defections, then the Senate was fairly likely to stand strong and vote against it as well. A bunch of Hose Democrats voting for it would have made it harder for Senate Dems to justify voting against it. So for all the heat Jeffries has taken here recently, he deserves big kudos for holding his caucus together on this (with only 1 defection which ended up not making a difference). That said, the Phone Calls certainly couldn't have hurt and may have helped allay the concerns of a few who were the most likely to be wavering.

Which I did. His NY office. 2 actually to complete my stance. Regarding SS benefits and that all Dems should stand together and vote no on the CR. No caving!

keep breathing, and wait till something actual gets reported.

I don't get it either.

And I am so glad I was wrong

...it's hard to wade through the deliberate gaslighting.

There's not one person in the Dem leadership in either House who I don't believe is fully engaged in this fight to win everywhere they're able, notwithstanding the expectations for them to do more outside of that purely legislative effort.

it is the Republican's fault. Dems are willing to negotiate with Rs to make the bill better."

They need to get out in front of this . . . and put the right people out there for messaging. But keep repeating "if there is a shutdown it is the Republican's fault for not allowing Dems to negotiate on this bill."

While the Muskovite's 60+ DOGE employees continue their insurgency fuckups.

... and may Republican cojones adorn trailer hitches across the country, but especially Pee Wee Johnson's, if he has any.

I think Mike Johnson is gay. There’s nothing wrong with it but hiding it has to be nerve wracking. And potentially blackmail able.

I thought it from the first time I saw him. But sometimes my radar isn't accurate.

and a great time to remind the electorate of what McConnell had told us in not too recent past: "What we did learn is this -- it's a hostage that's worth ransoming"

...that's not anyone here's fault.

After losing so much, it's that much easier to believe in failure. I do think we should expect the vast majority of our elected ones want to win just as much as we do.

It's their very own relevance in our democracy at stake in this fight, Dems even more than republicans at this point.

I'm basically as fucking relieved as anyone, though.

I was sure Schumer would cave. He said he wasn't. I asked for crow. Now he says he will cave. Whiplash.

... "a Palestinian" by Crooked Donald at his event today. While there is nothing wrong with being a Palestinian, Sen Schumer is not... I thought, well, this could mean something.

The wave of non stop hysterical blaming and shaming that will emanate from Faux.

But even now one would help greatly. The right dominates the media.

I'm sick of capitulating to the party of Putin.

Republicans MUST be made to own this government, immediately. It’s the only hope this country has left.

They both are supporting the bill now.

I don't want a shutdown to further erode Social Security. We would lose our home without SS. But the Republicans destruction derby is a disaster for all but the wealthy.

Give them NOTHING outside of a clean CR!

to negotiate the budget for the remainder of the fiscal year (which they were completely shut out of on this current CR in question)

Things to say about schmucky Chucky, but gotta give him credit today.

Oh wow how many cells of spinal tissue to make a whole column?

Wow

When I heard he would support it, I flipped. There is no point in keeping the government open if it is only going to harm people anyways, especially those who would be harmed by a shutdown. We need Dems to fight this Admin tooth and nail

And I say that as someone who has posted some critical comments about the Senator (and the rest of Democratic leadership), in recent days.

Hope to hell there's some meaningful follow-through on this.

But it's not guaranteed.

I hate to see a shutdown, however brief. They are so disruptive and stressful for everyone. But I'd hate to see this bill get through Congress as I understand it's written. It seems like there are a number of poison pills in it like cutting DC's budget by $1B with 6 months to go in the FY.

Also I heard Thune earlier today talking about how this is all the Democrats' fault. What the Actual F??? R's control the House, the Senate AND the White House so no farkin' way is this anyone's fault but theirs. I try not to actually hate anyone but damn they make it hard.

.....looting and destroying OUR healthcare, retirement, and VA benefits.

Because MAGAGOP and "DOGE" are shutting it down anyway. And this shit is ALL on them.

To dramatically bring home what we are doing, why we are doing it, and why (no matter how many lies they tell) republicons are fully responsible for this big stinking mess.

Until all the DOGE cuts are reversed, DOGE disbanded and Musk resigns.

Force the Republicans to come up with a regular budget using reconciliation. That way they don't need the Democrats to lift a finger to pass anything.

They need to fight and block everything like Mitch McConnell.

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but I'm not able to.

I am a very tiny bit amused by the apologists for The Hill, but not enough to elicit a chuckle.

All in all, a predictable day at Ye Olde Democratic Underground, Version Ermigod.

Apparently it has all kinds of goodies that let's Trump not follow the congressional allocations and prevents congress from being able to stop trump's emergency powers declaration.

the fighting that follows should be a big sign who the democrats will likely be going forward.

Fingers crossed and praying to Scooby DOOO.

IMO

...it will be the first time since a fascist government took over the U.S. that mr. schumer has gathered our Dem Senators in unified resistance to protect our Democracy.

I certainly hope it will be the belated Senate opposition to fascism mr. schumer seems to be saying it will be.

I read that Dems want a vote on Sen. Patty Murray’s CR - a vote that will ultimately fail. Once it does, supposedly Dems will be able to vote for the House CR because Dems are just wanting a vote on a different CR.

If they tried this BS I think that would be worse than just voting for the original CR.

I think Senate Dems are playing with fire here. Trump and Musk want a government shutdown, and this is going to help tank the economy even faster.

otherwise, FUCK REPUKES, THEY OWN IT

thought, I'll wait till the grown-ups come and calm down the children and went back to bed.

It's politics. I don't know what's going on and will listen to the grown-ups before making up my mind. What a radical idea.

our Democratic Senators and telling them we have their backs when they take this risky move. I hope it worked, and I hope they play their cards right. They have the power right now.

Way to go! We're not blocking government, just demanding a clean CR. Take out the poison stuff! Shout it to the rooftops so that everyone will know what's really happening.

this is what I expected all along. I've never been happier to be right.

Josh Marshall points out the infuriating truth here. https://bsky.app/profile/joshtpm.bsky.social/post/3lk7lxpk6y22w]
3/The point of this to temporarily confuse the issue so that Senate Ds can say they vote for their version while allowing the GOP version to pass. The critical point is that it's handing the GOP the 60 vote threshold for nothing.