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Nevilledog

(54,711 posts)
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 01:01 PM Mar 2025

Pete Hegseth's Climate Change 'Crap'

https://www.thebulwark.com/p/pete-hegseth-climate-change-crap-national-security-military-strategic

SECRETARY OF DEFENSE PETE HEGSETH said Sunday that the DoD “does not do climate change crap,” implying the department should focus solely on training and war-fighting, and anything else is a distraction. While it may be a pithy soundbite, it reflects a dangerous blind spot—and contradicts a fundamental strategic principle.

Many people in the military, possibly even Hegseth himself, are familiar with Sun Tzu’s famous statement: “If you know the enemy and know yourself, your victory will not stand in doubt.” Many fewer remember the following lines: “if you know Heaven and know Earth, you may make your victory complete.” Perhaps Sun Tzu was speaking metaphorically, but the rest of The Art of War is supremely practical, and any good soldier knows that terrain and weather—and, yes, climate—can be key allies or stern enemies.

As a combat commander in Iraq during the 2007 “surge,” I experienced firsthand how climatic conditions can disrupt operations. I had planned a ten-day operation involving a U.S. task force, and special operations forces, and five Iraqi Army divisions in northern Iraq. As we were about to kick off, we were hit by severe dust and sandstorms—“shamals” and “haboobs”—intensified by prolonged drought. (It was just about the same time that the National Intelligence Council was working on its first ever report on climate change, which found a likelihood of “increase of heat waves and droughts (both in frequency and intensity).” These storms canceled air operations, grounded reconnaissance platforms, blinded intelligence collectors, delayed maneuvers, and severely degraded communications. It became clear to everyone in our command: climate change wasn’t background noise—it was an operational variable. The weather forced us to delay a major tactical operation against our enemy for weeks; the climate made it more likely that more such operations would be delayed or canceled in the future.

That’s just one example—there are plenty of others from every service, domain, and combatant command to illustrate why climate change is a strategic issue that demands the attention of the secretary of defense. Sea level rise, storm surges, and extreme weather events increasingly threaten mission-critical infrastructure. Naval Station Norfolk—the world’s largest naval base—now experiences frequent tidal flooding that disrupts operations and damages infrastructure. Other key installations like Pearl Harbor, San Diego, and Key West face similar vulnerabilities. In 2018, Tyndall Air Force Base suffered $4 billion in hurricane-related damage.

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Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
2. It's not only readiness, but climate change affects where, how, and why battles will be fought
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 01:04 PM
Mar 2025

Drier hotter conditions make the Middle East, South West Asia and Africa more intolerable and less productive of food. Just one example.

CrispyQ

(40,665 posts)
4. Hegseth doesn't surprise me, nor anyone in this admin, but I'm still just stunned at the mass climate change denial.
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 01:06 PM
Mar 2025


I have college educated friends who are successful professionals who don't think it's a big deal. We'll either solve it or it will phase out like other weather patterns.

WTF???

pwb

(12,456 posts)
5. The Army use to use small economical Jeeps.
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 01:30 PM
Mar 2025

Now they all use a vehicle the size of my living room for everyday trips. The military builds things that use the maximum amount of fuel, nothing new here. The puke is right about our military polluting. They always have.

clevergrrrl

(122 posts)
7. Hegseth's notion of a warfighter are Hollywood based
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 02:05 PM
Mar 2025

He's got this view of John Wayne in 'The Green Berets' as the perfect model. What a cliche idiot.

maxrandb

(17,167 posts)
8. Really? You fucking Dry-Drunk dipshit!
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 02:47 PM
Mar 2025
U.S. Navy Ships Lost in Selected Storm/Weather Related Incidents

- Continental sloop Saratoga lost with all hands in a gale off the Bahamas. The only survivors were detailed to a captured vessel which almost capsized in the same storm. Crew of 86 less the prize crew lost.18 Mar. 1781.

- Brig USS Pickering believed lost with all hands in a gale in Sep. 1800. Last seen 20 Aug. 1800 when she departed for the West Indies. Approximately 105 drowned.

- Frigate USS Insurgent departed Hampton Roads, VA on 8 Aug. 1800 for West Indies. Never heard from again. Ship and crew of 340 presumed lost in severe West Indies storm on 20 Sep. 1800.

- Gun Boat #1 lost when driven ashore in hurricane at Savannah, Georgia. 7-8 Sep. 1804.

- Gun Boat #2 sank in gale off St. Mary's Georgia. 40 died. 5 Oct. 1811.

- Ketch Etna sank in a hurricane off New Orleans. 2 men drowned. 19 August 1812.

- Schooners USS Hamilton and Scourge capsize in a heavy squall on Lake Ontario. Over 80 lost. 8 Aug. 1813.

- Gun Boat #164 sank in a squall at St. Mary's Georgia. 20 drowned. 16 Sep. 1813.

- Schooner USS Alligator sank in Port Royal Sound during a heavy storm. 23 died. 30 Jun. 1814.

- Sloop-of-war USS Epervier disappeared in the Atlantic with 132 sailors and 2 marines after transiting the Straits of Gibralter on 14 July 1815. She may have encountered a hurricane reported in the Atlantic on 9 August 1815.

- Chartered schooner Quaker sank in a gale with all aboard. 41 lost. 6 Mar. 1820.

- Schooner USS Wildcat lost with all hands in a gale while sailing between Cuba and Thompson's Island, West Indies. Approximately 31 drowned. 28 Oct. 1824.

- Schooner USS Ferret capsized in storm off Cuba. 5 died. 4 Feb. 1825.

- Brig USS Hornet lost with all hands in gale off Tampico, Mexico on 29 Sep. 1829. 145 lost.

- Schooner USS Sylph believed to be lost in an intense storm in August 1831. 13 died. Disappeared after departing Pensacola, Florida, in July 1831.

- Schooner USS Sea Gull disappeared, probably sinking in a storm between Tierra del Fuego and Valpariso. 15 drowned. Last seen on 8 May 1839.

- Schooner USS Grampus presumably foundered in a gale off Charleston, South Carolina with all hands. At least 25 drowned. Last heard from on 15 Mar. 1843.

- Brig USS Somers capsized and foundered in a sudden squall while chasing a blockade runner off Vera Cruz, Mexico. 32 died. 8 Dec. 1846.

- Brig USS Porpoise disappeared, presumably sinking during a typhoon. At least 62 lost. Last seen between Formosa and China on 21 Sep. 1854.

- Ironclad USS Monitor sank in a storm off Cape Hatteras. 16 died. 31 Dec. 1862.

- Brig USS Bainbridge capsized in a storm off Cape Hatteras. Over 90 drowned. 21 Aug. 1863.

- Screw steamer USS Huron sank in storm off North Carolina. 98 lost. 24 Nov. 1877.

- Screw steamer USS Trenton, Screw sloop USS Vandalia, and Gunboat USS Nipsic wrecked by a storm at Apia, Samoa. 51 killed. 16 Mar. 1889.

- Steam launch from USS Yosemite foundered in the harbor of San Luis d'Apra, Guam in typhoon. Coal Passer Joseph Anderson, Seaman George Aubel, Fireman First Class William Davis, Apprentice First Class Jacob L. Mehaffey and Coxswain Frank Swanson drowned. 13 Nov. 1900.

- Iron screw steamer USS Nina, last sighted off the Capes of the Chesapeake in a gale. 33 drowned. 15 Mar. 1910.

- Armored cruiser No. 10 USS Memphis (ex-USS Tennessee) driven ashore and totally wrecked by tidal wave at Santa Domingo, Dominican Republic. 41 killed and 204 injured. 29 Aug. 1916.

- Tug USS Cherokee foundered off Fenwick Island Lightship in a heavy gale. 30 died. 26 Feb. 1918.

- Patrol vessel USS Eagle while making passage up Delaware River was struck by a squall and capsized. 9 killed. 11 Jun. 1920.

- USS Tacoma (C-18) ran aground near Vera Cruz Mexico during a storm. During attempts to free her during the subsequent week Captain Herbert G. Sparrow, Radioman Second Class Edward Thaxter Herrick, Radioman First Class Homer Harry Lussier and Radioman Third Class Solomon Sivin drowned. 16 Jan. 1924.

- Rigid airship USS Shenandoah (ZR-1) crashed in storm near Marietta OH. 14 killed, 2 injured. 3 Sep. 1925.

- Rigid airship USS Akron (ZRS-4) crashed in a storm off New Jersey. 73 killed, 3 injured. 4 Apr. 1933.

- Blimp J-3 crashed while searching for survivors of USS Akron, fatally injuring LCDR. David Ervin Cummins and Aviation Chief Metalsmith Pasquale Bettio. 4 Apr. 1933.

- Rigid airship USS Macon (ZRS-5) crashed in a storm off California. Radioman First Class Ernest Edwin Dailey and Mess Attendant First Class Florentino Edquiba killed. 12 Feb. 1935.

- USS Truxtun (DD-229) and USS Pollux (AKS-2) ran aground during a storm in Placentia Bay, Newfoundland, and broke up in surf. 204 killed. 18 Feb. 1942.

- USS Warrington (DD-383) sank during hurricane off Florida. 248 drowned. 13 Sep. 1944.

- Task Force 38 struck by typhoon off the Philippines. Destroyers USS Hull (DD-350), USS Spence (DD-512), and USS Monaghan (DD-354) capsized and sank, at least 28 other vessels damaged. About 790 killed and 80 injured. 18 Dec. 1944.

- Task Force 38 struck by typhoon in Okinawa area. 36 ships damaged. At least 6 killed and 4 injured. 5 Jun. 1945.

- Typhoon passes within 15 miles of Okinawa, severely damaging ships in Buckner Bay anchorage. 12 small ships and landing craft sunk, 222 others beached. 36 killed, 47 missing, 100 seriously injured. 11 Oct. 1945.

- USS Cochino (SS-345) foundered off Norway after a polar gale caused an electrical fire and two battery explosions. All of her crew were rescued by USS Tusk (SS-426), who lost 7 of her own crew in their efforts to assist Cochino. 7 drowned. 25 Aug. 1949.
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