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kentuck

(115,122 posts)
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 01:48 PM Mar 2025

How we know it's a bad deal??

Because Trump complimented Schumer for going along with it.

When Trump tells you that you are doing the right thing, you know you are on the wrong track.

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How we know it's a bad deal?? (Original Post) kentuck Mar 2025 OP
YES!! some_of_us_are_sane Mar 2025 #1
The (un)official photo. usonian Mar 2025 #2
Yep! some_of_us_are_sane Mar 2025 #4
Regretfully DENVERPOPS Mar 2025 #8
In a couple of days Trump will be crowing about how Chuck "the Palestinian" Schumer rolled over "like a dog." sop Mar 2025 #3
The timing of TSF's recent calling Schumer... returnee Mar 2025 #39
When I first heard those words come out of Stupid's mouth... ReRe Mar 2025 #47
Now, can we infer the same thing.... returnee Mar 2025 #59
We can infer the same thing if ReRe Mar 2025 #60
That was the gist of my question. returnee Mar 2025 #61
Absa-fucking-lutely Walleye Mar 2025 #5
An astute observation La Coliniere Mar 2025 #6
We had the Fascist-in-Chief by his tiny balls... we should have castrated that prick!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2025 #26
Melania would thank you. alfredo Mar 2025 #45
Okay, now THAT was funny!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2025 #46
True that. calimary Mar 2025 #7
Well, maybe that's the point -- maybe this is an Biden/Obama-style rope-a-dope Rocknation Mar 2025 #9
That is so sweet! rubbersole Mar 2025 #15
Sorry, but can't agree... sounds more like wishful thinking. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2025 #28
I don't blame you in the least, to be quite honest Rocknation Mar 2025 #34
Nope. DiamondShark Mar 2025 #44
Even Grok says it's a bad deal crimycarny Mar 2025 #10
Who's Grok? ShazzieB Mar 2025 #14
It is some sort of AI thing on Twitter/X Innocent Smith Mar 2025 #17
Thanks for the info. ShazzieB Mar 2025 #21
Agree--I guess the point is even a Twitter tool thinks the CR is a bad idea crimycarny Mar 2025 #22
When Musk initiated Grok, people had to actively OPT OUT of having their post used by that AI for whatever.... Attilatheblond Mar 2025 #37
He did? ShazzieB Mar 2025 #11
Maybe it doesn't take the drugs Musk gobbles down? Attilatheblond Mar 2025 #38
AGREE!! bluestarone Mar 2025 #12
it makes me sick Skittles Mar 2025 #13
+1 New York can do better. rzemanfl Mar 2025 #18
I had always seen New Yawk as tough Skittles Mar 2025 #30
Everything is disturbing. Leadership of the resistance needs to emerge pronto. rzemanfl Mar 2025 #35
The Onion nails it Skittles Mar 2025 #36
To be repeated in 6 months. Except... lame54 Mar 2025 #53
Yeah, but Trump is insane and contradicts himself all the time LymphocyteLover Mar 2025 #16
It isn't a question of whether or not it's a bad deal FBaggins Mar 2025 #19
Yep, there's no question. Iggo Mar 2025 #27
there is no getting around it Skittles Mar 2025 #31
The time for negotiations is long past FBaggins Mar 2025 #33
Only if you think Government would have been shut down for months which I think is BS Bengus81 Mar 2025 #41
Yup! That's all we need to know. StarryNite Mar 2025 #20
If Trump told me the sun rose in the East NewLarry Mar 2025 #23
I wonder what Schumer got offered. Blue Full Moon Mar 2025 #24
Now he's bragging about his mandate all over again. Emile Mar 2025 #25
UGGGHHHH!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2025 #29
There you go! Trump won't just take it as a win,he'll rub it in over and over and over........... Bengus81 Mar 2025 #42
As if Trump has any idea what's going on and is usually right... Not. betsuni Mar 2025 #32
Shuman, Fetterman .... who else 3Hotdogs Mar 2025 #40
Here's the Hall of SHAME......... Bengus81 Mar 2025 #43
Gillibrand, not a surprise. 3Hotdogs Mar 2025 #48
re: Schumer TnDem Mar 2025 #49
Generally true. hay rick Mar 2025 #50
Either way would have worked for trump and we all literally know it. The Senate Dems I admire .... LizBeth Mar 2025 #51
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2025 #52
Well OK then... GP6971 Mar 2025 #56
This! Whatever he likes is bad for most Americans who aren't rich! Dem4life1234 Mar 2025 #54
Yup Magoo48 Mar 2025 #55
Quite. Anything else is noise. n/t malthaussen Mar 2025 #57
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2025 #58

sop

(17,478 posts)
3. In a couple of days Trump will be crowing about how Chuck "the Palestinian" Schumer rolled over "like a dog."
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 01:58 PM
Mar 2025

returnee

(824 posts)
39. The timing of TSF's recent calling Schumer...
Sat Mar 15, 2025, 07:02 AM
Mar 2025

…anti-semitic and pro-Palestinian is curious, relative to yesterdays vote.

ReRe

(12,179 posts)
47. When I first heard those words come out of Stupid's mouth...
Sat Mar 15, 2025, 10:41 AM
Mar 2025

I was sure it would change Schumer's mind. But no, it must have scared Schumer to death.
I actually think Schumer looked at it as a threat.
Spineless. Absolutely spineless.

ReRe

(12,179 posts)
60. We can infer the same thing if
Sat Mar 15, 2025, 11:42 PM
Mar 2025

we agree that they were all threatened in some way, either with their (and their family's) welfare or with the threat of being primaryed.
Let me know if we are on the same page.

returnee

(824 posts)
61. That was the gist of my question.
Sun Mar 16, 2025, 05:53 AM
Mar 2025

The threat of violence or the threat of revelation of Kompromat has been one of the only justifications I have seen that explains how so many craven political decisions are being made, among people who we know know better. I am amazed that so many are deciding to cave to that pressure, so much so that I ultimately question the explanation. Can they all be so anti-Constitutional/democratic.

La Coliniere

(1,759 posts)
6. An astute observation
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 02:19 PM
Mar 2025

that rings so true. Schumer needs to go. He is betraying his Party…once again.

Rocknation

(44,982 posts)
9. Well, maybe that's the point -- maybe this is an Biden/Obama-style rope-a-dope
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 03:23 PM
Mar 2025

Last edited Fri Mar 14, 2025, 04:00 PM - Edit history (1)

What if Schumer publicly went against the shutdown on purpose? What if he actually WANTS a Dem backlash that would "pressure" him into changing his mind -- especially if he KNEW that anti-DOGE firing court rulings were on the horizon?

Remember how Obama allegedly took Biden to task for making "gaffes" that forced him to accelerate the "evolution" of his "thinking" about gay marriage? And more recently, remember how Kamala forced Trump to oppose hot mics at their debates by coming out in favor of them?


Rocknation

rubbersole

(10,992 posts)
15. That is so sweet!
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 03:59 PM
Mar 2025

Chuck and reverse psychology...or he wants bipartisanship. He's past his expiration date I'm afraid.

Rocknation

(44,982 posts)
34. I don't blame you in the least, to be quite honest
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 05:37 PM
Mar 2025

No offense taken at all -- I just find it hard to believe that this is a merely coincidence:



If the DOGE firings have indeed been reversed, then Trump and Musk have lost a gargantuan piece of their leverage.

7PM UPDATE: I rest my case, LOL: Elon Musk Immediately Calls for Judges to Be Impeached After Rulings Overturn DOGE Firings


Rocknation

DiamondShark

(1,162 posts)
44. Nope.
Sat Mar 15, 2025, 10:26 AM
Mar 2025

We, members of the Democratic Party on Democratic Underground, DO NOT SUPPORT Trump.

EVER

crimycarny

(2,011 posts)
10. Even Grok says it's a bad deal
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 03:35 PM
Mar 2025


NOTE: when I coped the link to this bsky post I got a message "only users who are logged in can see this post". I've never seen that message before but I'm assuming it means you have to be logged into bsky to see it.

Here is what Grok says in case people can't read the post. The emphasis on "systemic harm" (bolding) is mine."

"As of March 14, 2025, a government shutdown likely poses a greater immediate risk to the American people due to its widespread, visible disruptions. However, passing the CR could be riskier in the long term, embedding cuts and ceding power to an administration with ambitious, untested plans like DOGE.

The choice hinges on whether one prioritizes avoiding acute pain now or mitigating systemic harm later--a dilemma Democrats face as they decide in the Senate today.

Public sentiment and historical precedent suggest a shutdown's pressure could yield a better outcome than a CR that locks in Republican priorities unchallenged."

I feel that is the key here, short term pain versus long-term systemic damage that cause much greater and longer lasting damage. Schumer is taking the easy way out and it could have unrecoverable repercussions.

ShazzieB

(22,225 posts)
14. Who's Grok?
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 03:52 PM
Mar 2025

I've never heard of them before, and the bsky post doesn't shed any light on it.

Sorry if you think this is a stupid question.

ShazzieB

(22,225 posts)
21. Thanks for the info.
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 04:26 PM
Mar 2025

Doesn't sound like something I would want to put much faith in or take its word for anything, but I'm glad to know what it is.

crimycarny

(2,011 posts)
22. Agree--I guess the point is even a Twitter tool thinks the CR is a bad idea
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 04:36 PM
Mar 2025

I never use "Grok", I only know of it because I've read about it. I guess the point of the BlueSky poster was that even an AI tool associated with Twitter believes the CR is worse than a shutdown.

Moot point now I guess since 10 Dems already voted to pass it.

Attilatheblond

(8,317 posts)
37. When Musk initiated Grok, people had to actively OPT OUT of having their post used by that AI for whatever....
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 06:44 PM
Mar 2025

If memory serves, it was a while back and I have manage to sleep a few times since then.

Skittles

(169,638 posts)
13. it makes me sick
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 03:45 PM
Mar 2025

and then loooong statements are released whining about how we just HAD to do it

Skittles

(169,638 posts)
30. I had always seen New Yawk as tough
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 05:16 PM
Mar 2025

Last edited Fri Mar 14, 2025, 06:29 PM - Edit history (1)

this is disturbing

FBaggins

(28,644 posts)
19. It isn't a question of whether or not it's a bad deal
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 04:12 PM
Mar 2025

The question is whether the alternative would be worse for us.

And that's speculation either way.

FBaggins

(28,644 posts)
33. The time for negotiations is long past
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 05:27 PM
Mar 2025

But they thought that republicans would have a tougher time getting it through the house


Once the alternative was a filibuster… the options narrowed

Bengus81

(9,827 posts)
41. Only if you think Government would have been shut down for months which I think is BS
Sat Mar 15, 2025, 10:19 AM
Mar 2025

The thing the Schumer ignored is the Republican town halls which gave the Dems HUGE leverage over Republicans in getting Gov back open. Now...we have nothing because all they need is a simple majority for the Bill.

Republicans look at this as a MASSIVE amount of weakness shown by Democrats. Hell...they even gave them a bigger plum with TEN voting with Republicans when they only needed seven.

Wheeeeeeeeeee!!!!!

Bengus81

(9,827 posts)
42. There you go! Trump won't just take it as a win,he'll rub it in over and over and over...........
Sat Mar 15, 2025, 10:21 AM
Mar 2025

Thanks Chuck.........

Bengus81

(9,827 posts)
43. Here's the Hall of SHAME.........
Sat Mar 15, 2025, 10:23 AM
Mar 2025

Chuck Schumer (D-NY)
Catherine Cortez-Masto (D-Nev.)
Dick Durbin (D-Ill.)
John Fetterman (D-Pa.)
Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.)
Maggie Hassan (D-N.H.)
Gary Peters (D-Mich.)
Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii)
Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.), and Sen.
Angus King (Maine), an independent who caucuses with Democrats

 

TnDem

(1,390 posts)
49. re: Schumer
Sat Mar 15, 2025, 11:12 AM
Mar 2025

We all know that Schumer is as weak as puppy piss anyway, but frankly, I don't know what he or his caucus could have done to really stop this except for something symbolic only?..

hay rick

(9,365 posts)
50. Generally true.
Sat Mar 15, 2025, 11:35 AM
Mar 2025

Sometimes Trump lies for a purpose, but often he appears to lie for no other reason than to "own the libs." Trump has reduced political discourse and commentary to a game of liar's pokers in which the stakes include the well-being and lives of innocent bystanders. Folks who prefer to avoid dealing with the chaos will not be immune from the consequences.

LizBeth

(11,222 posts)
51. Either way would have worked for trump and we all literally know it. The Senate Dems I admire ....
Sat Mar 15, 2025, 11:39 AM
Mar 2025

Are all saying this is a HUGE mistake. So there is that. Now we will go from here and see. But... trump would have cheered either way. It was a win either way. I have wanted Schumer out for at least a decade.

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