there was a lot more to it than just that part... my point was that there was no good outcome either way.

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Is more important than getting reelected. All they care about is saving their asses.

of Schumer's position. Was I correct?

So, when Granny gets evicted from the nursing home, it's on Schumer.

Probably not.

Try to remember: We are the minority party. We must support Democrats. We are the party of SANITY.

The federal courts cannot save Granny.

I truly support Democrats. I will donate to a Democrat challenging Schumer in the Democratic primary.

One vote doesn't go your way and it's "throw the bums out!".

You FLOG Democratic leaders as if you know better. You don't know that you don't know better.

Social Security, Medicare, etc., are all marked by Trump/Musk for destruction. Today, Schumer gave them permission to proceed.

Keeping your powder dry is great so long as you're not afraid to fire at some point.

actually lost the war to save the US government. You've clearly no idea what that really means.

He stabbed the House Democrats in the back and then unilaterally disarmed.

One of us is correct and the other not. The truth will be seen in a few months. If the Democrats rise to defend the county, I will happily admit my error. If they do not, you can admit your error when we met at the gulag.

Talk all the "stab in the back" flog talk all you want, but you have no idea that your win for shutting this US government down would be the gulag.

I hope I'm wrong but for now, I feel betrayed.

Feel your feelings. Also remember that feelings should not guide thought.

I am grateful that you share your wisdom.

While unity doesn't require uniformity, the "feeling" of another Democrat's betrayal is on you, not that Democrat.

Anyone on Medicaid in a nursing home is already financially destitute. Eligibility requires that a person spend down their assets until they have no more than $3,000 left in a bank account for incidentals. So, unless these private nursing homes start charging a lot less, or the state picks up the difference, granny will be wheeled out to curb for the nearest kin to pick up (assuming they even have relatives).

The courts would have to act with lighting speed to prevent this disaster from happening.

nursing home systems. Which would be stupid for corporations to let happen since they'd go out of business. Corporations are only in the business side of care, but they need the human side to get the money.

Two federal courts just saved the US government so that that govt can save granny. Hundreds of thousands of vot jobs just got saved by the federal courts of CA and MD so that can happen. It's why the felon and muskovite are talking right away today about a) how corrupt the judges are, b) impeaching them and c)sanctioning law firms from defending federal employees and from entering federal buildings (Perkins Coie LLP v. U.S. Department of Justice (D.D.C.).

From what I have observed, it looks like this CR includes large cuts to Medicaid. So, I am not sure what the courts can do to fix this problem since it will be a budget signed into law (not an illegal attempt to fire probationary federal employees as was reversed by the federal courts in Maryland and California). These private nursing homes clearly have problems when it comes to patient care. However, they are either going to raise their prices on patients, significantly reduce care, kick patients to the curb if they cannot afford to pay, or go out of business (or some combination of these actions).

If this money is for tax breaks for oligarchs, there will likely be lawsuits that stop the measurable harm that defunding causes humans in nursing homes.

More facts and analysis.
https://www.kff.org/medicaid/report/the-debate-over-federal-medicaid-cuts-perspectives-of-medicaid-enrollees-who-voted-for-president-trump-and-vice-president-harris/

From the looks of it, trump voters think this...

But we did find out that after we elected the Dems they chose to ignore us

And I've come to agree.

and I know that Senator Gillibrand also expressed concern about the con declaring a National Emergency.

Here's the thing though. There is nothing to stop him from declaring a National Emergency now either. He will still look for a reason to do so. And now he is more emboldened. Blocking cloture on the CR was the only thing they gave us any leverage. We have no leverage at all now.

In such a situation, I hold judgement until things play out. As Zen Master would say....we'll see.

There was no good option in any of this.

This is a lose-lose situation. The question is, which option would be worse for Democrats. IMO, shutting down the government would be worse for them. I don't like it, in fact, I hate it. My heart wants 'em to shut 'er down. But my head says not to.

Well said.

We own *none* of this unless we decide we want some.

That is the issue. We shouldn't be a part of anything that is happening because we are damned either way.

If you cannot win, and you know you are going to lose, you have to disengage.

The ones who voted for it own every last bit of it.

Now it becomes a bipartisan bill. Now it becomes a fracture in the Democratic party. Now it becomes more business as usual.

Schumer got told he "has guts" by Trump. Has guts to do what, achieve what, exactly?

I do not question Schumer's motives, but I due question his judgement and his leadership.

No one will remember the excuses. All that will be remembered is that Schumer voted for the Project 2025 agenda.

Capitulation and appeasement are not winning strategies.

We may be the party of sanity, but we are way too meek and timid.

but meek is not at all weak or submissive. Democrats are kind, humble, smart, and prioritize relationships and peace, shunning political violence and anger.

And we Democrats are far from timid. The Indivisibles are of, by and for Democrats.

As I told EarlG,

And while you say we don't look as if we're "fighting," every single day it is happening;
-- Democrats are running town halls in Republican districts in place of the cowards of Congress.
-- Pro-democracy protests, big, small, in between, are taking place against this administration's actions every single day all over this country.

You're only as limited in your perspective as you're willing to find out just how much people power Democrats can generate.

which is what they did. They didn't hold out for a 30-day measure. They capitulated completely. They put their names on right-wing legislation rather than negotiating some gains based on Democratic principles. This is why we lose elections.

Nancy Pelosi knew how to deal with these situations. She negotiated gains. Schumer refused to do that.

And have enough traction to make it stick?

What is the point of being in the opposition if they just let the Republicans roll all over them? In the past Democrats have negotiated concessions. Suddenly they are incapable of it. Pelosi was right about this.

They own a lot of these cuts now. That's not even getting into the fact these Democrats stabbed House Democrats in the back after they put their neck on the line and voted against the CR.

It's like the Iraq War all over again. These weak-kneed Democrats will say they didn't vote for the $13 billion in domestic cuts but to stop Trump and Co from cutting more! Just like Democrats didn't vote to authorize Bush to go to war, they just gave him the power trusting he wouldn't actually do it.

Well Democrats now own those cuts. They helped Republicans pass that CR instead of letting Republicans own everything outright.

And the kicker? We'll be doing this again in September, probably with even more cuts and cowards like Schumer will capitulate.

how we voted against it before we voted for it.

Or voted for it before we voted against it.


Instead of just not fucking playing.

It's a repeat and I'm just baffled how easily Democrats got played on this.

About spineless Schumer by September.

ever, vote to shut down the government. Assuming the others will go right along as well. Wait and see what gets stuck in by then.

It was Shaheen and King

Is that every bad thing that happens from here in our is owned by both parties equally.
I'm not the one you have have to convince different. That is the prevailing sentiment out there among Democrats right now. Just ask.

keeps maltreating citizens who expect fair treatment from their government. So far, it's not faring well for djt and Musk, if polls are true indicators. Believe that djt's compulsive drive for endless retribution and his total disdain for laws and the welfare of the general public won't be tolerated. And he's only going to get worse as he realizes that his unpopularity is rising.
The worse he gets, the more people he will outrage.

While he and Musk are busy turning his voters off, we need to stick together. Turn out for rallies, call in to C-SPAN, call district and DC offices, post on conservative websites. We can't afford to give up.

Got it.

Schumer owns all the cuts. When elders are thrown out of nursing homes, Schumer will be responsible.

For what now, the Democrats need leaders.

Lead, follow, or get out of the way.

Your "Lead, follow, or get out of the way" ironically, applies to you.

all of you "united NO's" will be complicit with the DOGE destruction.

The federal judges of CA and MD just saved hundreds of thousands of the jobs of Americans who work at

Consumer Financial Protection Bureau
Environmental Protection Agency
Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation
General Service Administration
Office of Personnel Management
Small Business Administration
National Archives and Records Administration
Department of Veterans Affairs,
Department of Defense,
Department of Energy,
Department of Interior,
Deparment of Agriculture and
Department of Treasury

and other agency names I can't find.

FEDERAL COURTS ARE SAVING THE US GOVERNMENT'S EXISTENCE.

Shaheen and King were the only ones that voted for it. Schumer and the other 9 vote for cloture, not the bill itself.

Regardless of the apportioning of blame, as an emotional marker for voters - which is how most people in america choose their representation - this is a disastrous reinforcement of a long-standing impression of watery weakness that dates back to run-up to the Iraq invasion.

caps for EMphasis, not yelling

The Authorization for use of military force against Iraq.

It was the first huge capitulation that Dems did back in 2002.

Btw, Schumer also voted for the AUMF back then.

I said we would be blamed.

I thought it was understood that the blaming would be coming from the Republican leadership.

of the DOGE destruction. The federal judges of CA and MD just saved hundreds of thousands of the jobs of Americans who work at

Consumer Financial Protection Bureau
Environmental Protection Agency
Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation
General Service Administration
Office of Personnel Management
Small Business Administration
National Archives and Records Administration
Department of Veterans Affairs,
Department of Defense,
Department of Energy,
Department of Interior,
Deparment of Agriculture and
Department of Treasury
Department of Health and Human Services
US Agency for International Development.

and other agency names I can't find.

FEDERAL COURTS ARE SAVING THE US GOVERNMENT'S EXISTENCE.

Trump might, Trump could, Trump will, Trump will claim, etc, etc, etc.

Trying to make deals with a crook and lunatic won't work.

I think many people around here are extremely naive as to how the GOP operates.

Democrats cannot allow the federal government to shut down. Period.

Democrats are ALWAYS blamed

that evil flourishes when good people do nothing? I don't get why even intelligent people aren't getting the fact that either way he will blame liberal democrats for everything. If our representatives let him cross one line unopposed, because they are too afraid to put obstacles in his way believing it will cause him to do worse, then they are fooling not only their constituents but themselves. He's only going to be more emboldened to cross more lines, because he knows they will cave to him due to their cowardice.

I think we need to ask the Democrats representatives who voted with Trump today if there any lines they will absolutely refuse to let him cross or not? If their answer is there are no lines they will fight to stop him from crossing because they're scared of him, then why pretend there is any value to them even showing up to vote period.

I don't get this mindset at all, unless it is from naivete.

and now he gets to say look even Schumer agreed to it. The naive viewpoint is thinking that he won't still do anything he wants regardless of what he agrees to. He has never honored an agreement in his life.

All capitulating did was make Schumer look weak and ineffectual, and like he supports the needless gutting of vital services. Trump and Eloon will still keep shutting the whole thing down anyway.

What's the point of arguing any way. No one has stopped him from doing anything he wants to so far and today just made it more unlikely that anyone will be able to.

This is going to be on the GOP anyway, but the last thing Democrats should ever do is let the government shut down because they WILL be blamed for it.

That is the way the GOP operates. They lie, lie, lie.

We will see what happens I do know if I lived in NY I’d never vote for Schumer again.

If AOC runs against him in the primary she has my vote if fair elections are still held that is. Now they need to find someone to primary Gillibrand too.

The choice was either to let the trumpanzees take away Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, or to shut down the government.

This weaksauce shit isn't going to cut it, since trump can just declare a national emergency anyway, even if it is against the "rules."

Making the case.

But no, the capitulation came fast.

BTW the CR legally gives Trump a lot more power to reappropriate funds and take that power away from congress.

Much easier to just sign a blank check and be complicit.

If this government had shut down, DCA would be landing planes from NY every 5 minutes.