But shes been rocking it these past weeks and I am liking her more & more to the point I'd like her to run for the Senate seat which we will not speak of.

Did like him, but he's been crapping all over everywhere these past weeks, and I'm disliking him more & more intensely - to the point where I wish he'd just resign before he does more damage to us Dems.

He needs to go.

You NEVER see this in the other party.

I guess this guy was spot on:

Fetterman needs to go, just as soon as possible. Really would appreciate some action by the good people of Pennsylvania on this matter.

I am glad you are warming to her message. I hope everyone who thinks they are progressive but reflexively back the centerists will also come around before all is lost (if it is not too late already.)

There is no future in what Schumer and the other 9 represent. We urgently need to make changes within the Party or else it will be beyond reclamation and we'll have to build a new party from the ground up.

Like him even less now. I go where the spirit moves me.

You have

It is a fair question...what is the threshold, Fetterman?

Asking for a friend.

even as a standalone bill, if his R masters said to.

We are fucked!

because some of them "only voted for Cloture" not the actual bill.....well, functionally, it is exactly the same thing.

And I'm betting they would do it again, no matter what is attached to it.

She might end up being the next Tulsi Gabbard who attacks Democrats from the "left." Not too long ago, Tulsi was being pushed as the progressive on the rise.

The Capitulator has put himself in the position to vote Yes on the next resolution when it comes up in six months. Sooner yet, let’s see how he votes on raising the debt ceiling.

AOC asked a fair question and I don't see an answer coming from Senator Fetterman.

AOC stands for and every traitorous thing Tulsi has done.

Tulsi changed her positions and cozied up with dictators. Has AOC done that?

You have a right to disagree with AOC's position on this difficult issue. But can you debate the topic please instead of wild groundless accusations?

…would get a post flagged for attacking Democrats even when Tulsi’s most popular posts were when she was attacking “establishment” Democrats. We now know that Russian bots were pushing social media posts that attacked Hillary and other Democrats from the ‘left.” The real test, however, is whether an elected sells out and begins to cater to this attention. Ed Shultz sold out. RFK sold out. Tulsi sold out because there are benefits and rewards for progressives who are willing to weaken opposition to right wingers by attacking Democrats from the “left” even in the face of a facist threat like the current Republican Party.

and that has what to do with AOC? Are all Progressives future sell outs to dictators, or just AOC for some reason you have failed to explain?

Two of your examples have prior history as Republicans, and one is a former drug addict who survived on his family name.
They are outliers. If you figured out Gabbard's true nature before the rest of us, good for you.

That is no excuse to go start predicting other defections with no basis.

...and Ed Schultz used to be an MSNBC commentator who later became a Trump supporter and host of a program on Russia Today.
How many progressives do you need? There are others, but these examples are about as egregious as you can get, and they were all precipitated by a willingness to cater to the attention and traffic they received when they attacked Democrats from the "left." In other words, rather than blaming Republicans for taking right wing positions, blame is heaped on Democrats for not doing enough to stop Republican over each.

Maybe I will be wrong and AOC will resist the urge to cater to social media attention when her most popular posts are not posts attacking Trump or Republicans, but posts attacking Democrats. However, many politicians will find it hard to turn away from the apparent popularity they receive when critical posts attacking Democrats. Social media sock puppets are surprisingly good at grooming attention seeking politicians to do whatever it takes to keep "relevant."

And, while based on your posts suggesting that you knew Tulsi Gabbard was a sell out all along, many progressives fell for her act, and happily repeated her lines attacking "establishment" Democrats from the "left."

Would you be able to stick to your principles if your statements criticizing Trump, Republicans, or Putin were largely ignored or even condemned, but when you attacked your fellow Democrats from the left for not doing enough to stop Trump, those statements suddenly get hundreds of likes? Perhaps you are truly virtuous, but I think there are too many examples of politicians who will happily ride that wave of algorithmic popularity. Just look at the Republican party, which once was well known for standing up to Russian aggression.

Let’s stick with named people here.

You have named 3 Progressives who went MAGA and claim that it was due to the attention they got from criticizing Democrats, while ignoring that each has a complicated history. AOC has been principled and consistent all along. The idea that she would throw everything she believes in away for your fantasy that she would get more attention as a MAGA is preposterous. I’m sad for you that you don’t think there are politicians who actually care about doing good in the world. If you can’t see it in AOC, I don’t think you’ll find it anywhere.

There is a real debate among Dems about how to push back against an unprecedented coup attempt. The debate must be had. How can you accuse people who are putting their lives at risk to save democracy of being selfish attention seekers? This isn’t about a few careers. We are trying to save America.

...once widely quoted on DU for attacking Democrats from the "left," but is now shilling for Trump on Fox News. You also have Matt Taibbi, who was once a progressive who was known for attacking prominent Democrats for not being progressive enough, but now spends more time attacking "groupthink" on the left. Jonathan Turley is another once respected law professor who went from cautioning against Dubya's Constitutional over reach and voting for President Obama to being a paid Fox News commentator who rails against activist judges blocking Trump's agenda.

Higgin, a writer for the Nation, wrote a whole book about the phenomena of how many well known "contrarian" voices on the left eventually sold out: Owned: How Tech Billionaires on the Right Bought the Loudest Voices on the Left

So, when I see a Democrat or progressive increasing getting social media traction for attacking Democrats from the left, I wonder whether it is the start of yet another progressive star being groomed to become a right wing mouth piece.

I wouldn't put it past the RW to have such a strategy. But I still maintain that most Progressives overwhelmingly don't have it in their DNA to become RW. Certainly not AOC. To the extend that this phenomena exists is disturbing, but accusing people in advance of it happening will get you mostly misses.

would sell out. When she was acting like a Progressive I believed her. When she started acting like a Republican, I believed her then too. I can't say I ever knew much about her because I never had an opportunity to vote for her.

The existence of bad actors in politics doesn't paint everybody. It's certainly not worse among Progressives. Come on. Here you are bashing Progressives for selling out instead of looking at the party that has sold out wholesale. Doing exactly what you are complaining about.

They're saying he's ineffective as a leader.
Your attempt to flip the script is lame.

Her Reich wing views were never far from the surface.

But claiming that AOC will turn into a Tulsi Gabbard is just nonsense.

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It’s no time for the weak

better yet, Schumer should retire at the end of his term. We have too many old codgers who will be in their 80’s if elected to another term. Enough already. Get out and enjoy your retirement. You’ve done your service to your country. Nobody said it should be a lifetime employment. We need some young blood with fresh ideas.

New York is a big state with lots of different types of politics. Katie Porter thought it a good idea to run for the Senate and a progressive voice was lost. AOC can do a lot from her House seat but her voice will quickly be lost without a pulpit to preach from.

Often, a progressive in a congressional district fits there but in a big state like California, New York, Texas, Florida a great candidate steps up to the next level thinking they are a fit and instead, we lost them as a strong voice think Beto, Katie Porter, Val Demmings, New York is a democratic state but the city is progressive the rest of the state is old school democrats. It is not an easy step for a city progressive to win state wide.

Or what? Answer the question senator.

is what people said Mussolini did even though he established a dictatorship.

I once admired him. Even donated to his campaign. Now: Buyer’s remorse.

is not cool.