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cbabe

(6,361 posts)
Sun Mar 16, 2025, 11:32 AM Mar 2025

Back to cash: life without money in your pocket is not the utopia Sweden hoped

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/mar/16/sweden-cash-digital-payments-electronic-banking-security

Back to cash: life without money in your pocket is not the utopia Sweden hoped

Nordic countries were early adopters of digital payments. Now, electronic banking is seen as a potential threat to national security

Sun 16 Mar 2025 02.00 EDT
Miranda Bryant


Such is the perceived severity of the situation that the authorities are trying to encourage citizens to keep and use cash in the name of civil defence. In November, the defence ministry sent every home a brochure entitled If Crisis or War Comes, advising people to use cash regularly and keep a minimum of a week’s supply in various denominations to “strengthen preparedness”.

In its report, the central bank says: “Measures need to be taken to strengthen preparedness and reduce exclusion so that everyone can pay, even in the event of crisis or war.” For years, it says, efficiency has been the priority for payments, but now safety and accessibility “are at least as important”.

In December the government published the findings of an inquiry that proposed that some public and private agents should be required to accept cash – a recommendation that the central bank says the authorities should implement.


Sweden is not the only Nordic country backpedalling on plans for a cashless society. Last year Norway, which has a popular equivalent to Swish called Vipps MobilePay, brought in legislation that means retailers can be fined or sanctioned if they will not accept cash. The government has also recommended that citizens “keep some cash on hand due to the vulnerabilities of digital payment solutions to cyber-attacks”.

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(Cash is king. Again)

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Back to cash: life without money in your pocket is not the utopia Sweden hoped (Original Post) cbabe Mar 2025 OP
No. This is a recommendation that people have a 'back-up' stopdiggin Mar 2025 #1
My bank suggested I cut down on plastic. defacto7 Mar 2025 #3
Hear, hear. defacto7 Mar 2025 #2
That seems a reasonable strategy to maximize position and safety stopdiggin Mar 2025 #5
Okay. defacto7 Mar 2025 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author stopdiggin Mar 2025 #4
I have a piggy bank collection. 🐷🐷🐷 CrispyQ Mar 2025 #6
I like rolling pennies. Soon to be a collector's item. cbabe Mar 2025 #8
We haven't been in Sweden for over ten years DFW Mar 2025 #9
Those of us who dated before credit cards & cell phones always carried enough cash to call a cab & get home. I still do. CrispyQ Mar 2025 #10

stopdiggin

(15,145 posts)
1. No. This is a recommendation that people have a 'back-up'
Sun Mar 16, 2025, 11:59 AM
Mar 2025

(still couched in terms of 'temporary' ) in place in case of the unexpected. Nobody here is telling people to stop using digital or plastic - or, even more reactionary, pull all of their assets out of banks or investment.

Having about a week's, or perhaps slightly more, worth of cash on hand is not a bad ( nor a terribly radical ) idea. Think about it ...

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defacto7

(14,162 posts)
2. Hear, hear.
Sun Mar 16, 2025, 11:59 AM
Mar 2025

I started cutting down on digital payments about a year ago. I'm at the bare minimum now. Even my bank has warned me about keeping cash and separating the card account from a non-digital access account, in other words, one that doesn't have cards or electronic payments connected to it. Now, every deposit that's not govt. goes there and I physically transfer SS to it when it arrives.

stopdiggin

(15,145 posts)
5. That seems a reasonable strategy to maximize position and safety
Sun Mar 16, 2025, 12:12 PM
Mar 2025

(and I do something similar where there are some firewalls ... or at least so we think!)

But still - different subject from what the OP and article are discussing. And neither are suggesting that we abandon digital payment in favor of hard currency. (well - at least the article isn't .. )

defacto7

(14,162 posts)
7. Okay.
Sun Mar 16, 2025, 12:25 PM
Mar 2025

I keep cash as a backup as well but don't advocate switching to currency only. I doubt that's feasible. But I do use cash more now.

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CrispyQ

(40,778 posts)
6. I have a piggy bank collection. 🐷🐷🐷
Sun Mar 16, 2025, 12:24 PM
Mar 2025

One of my greatest joys is buying a new piggy bank cuz that means another one is full.

DFW

(59,821 posts)
9. We haven't been in Sweden for over ten years
Sun Mar 16, 2025, 12:42 PM
Mar 2025

But I remember back then thinking they were really going overboard with their cashless society. Short taxi rides, a quick cup of coffee, EVERYTHING was by card. This was about the same year when my wife took pity on a young mother who needed to buy $5 worth of formula (this was in Massachusetts) for her baby, and got to a grocery store right after their electronic card system had failed, so it was only accepting cash. The woman had only a card with her and started to cry because she couldn't pay to feed her baby. My wife took pity on her and gave her the money to buy her formula, and asked her what was she thinking having no cash on her at all?

We HATE the whole concept of the cashless society, since with cards, you leave a trace of everything you do, every place you go, and everything you eat, acquire, or contribute. This is what the socialist governments of Eastern Europe were shooting for, and they collapsed under the weight of having more information on the people that they were trying to control than they could ever monitor. The East German civilian population was appalled when they were granted access to all the files their government had on them. Cashless societies are the control freak government's wet dream. My wife and I pay cash for everything that comes even close to being convenient. Let the bureaucrats guess what we like to eat or which films we want to see and when we want to see them. One "Heil Honecker" was enough.

CrispyQ

(40,778 posts)
10. Those of us who dated before credit cards & cell phones always carried enough cash to call a cab & get home. I still do.
Sun Mar 16, 2025, 01:15 PM
Mar 2025

In a lot of sci-fi stories cash is illegal in cashless societies. And wasn't there a story about 12 years ago or so, of a township that decided to have their own "currency" that they called Barter Bucks & the govt stepped in & said Pretty sure that happened in the US.

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