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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(132,780 posts)
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 08:49 PM Mar 2025

Presidents have used autopens for decades. Now Trump objects to Biden's use of one

President Donald Trump claimed Monday that pardons recently issued by Joe Biden to lawmakers and staff on the congressional committee that investigated the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol riot have no force because, Trump says, the-then president signed them with an autopen instead of by his own hand.

"In other words, Joe Biden did not sign them but, more importantly, he did not know anything about them!” Trump wrote on his social media site. Trump didn’t offer any evidence to support his claims. Nor did the White House.

Trump asserted in his all-caps post that the pardons are void and have no effect in his estimation. But presidents have broad authority to pardon or commute the sentences of whomever they please, the Constitution doesn’t specify that pardons must be in writing and autopen signatures have been used before for substantive actions by presidents.

WHAT IS AN AUTOPEN?

An autopen is a mechanical device that is used to replicate a person's authentic signature. A pen or other writing implement is held by an arm of the machine, which reproduces a signature after a writing sample has been fed to it. Presidents, including Trump, have used them for decades. Autopens aren't the same as an old-fashioned ink pad and rubber stamp or the electronic signatures used on PDF documents.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-contends-bidens-pardons-no-212917163.html

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BOSSHOG

(44,738 posts)
2. He did not know anything about them (the pardons)
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 08:57 PM
Mar 2025

Said without proof or evidence. Trump is doing his damndest to “prove” that he got his ass kicked by a mentally impaired doddering old fool in 2020. Meanwhile American Citizens, most in red states, are suffering from recent natural disasters. Does anyone in the White House give a fuck?

Ol Janx Spirit

(692 posts)
3. So when Turnip mused that all he had to do was "think about" a pardon during the MAL documents case...
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 09:04 PM
Mar 2025

...what the heck was that? I love the eternal double-standards these idiots adhere to. Why are Democrats not spending every dime they have on putting together social and traditional media ads to discredit this fool?

onenote

(45,990 posts)
6. Do you have a link? I recall his suggesting he could de-classify documents just by thinking it
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 09:28 PM
Mar 2025

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but I can't find where he said anything about granting pardons by thinking about them. A link would be great.

Ol Janx Spirit

(692 posts)
9. Sorry, yes. I believe I was thinking of his more general idea that he could do things like
Tue Mar 18, 2025, 02:20 PM
Mar 2025

declassify documents, but is there a real difference in the two? His suggestion was that the president did not need to put things down on paper at all really. I will look for supporting evidence. I apologize for not having a direct quote.

mr715

(2,674 posts)
4. You know it isn't about autopens, though.
Mon Mar 17, 2025, 09:05 PM
Mar 2025

It could've been because they were signed in blue ink.


Also, this is performative. Let's see if he tests Biden's pardons - because I suspect he'll find himself in an uncomfortable position.

Tommy Carcetti

(44,405 posts)
8. If you've bought a house in the past decade, you've probably used DocuSign...
Tue Mar 18, 2025, 09:03 AM
Mar 2025

...or some similar electronic signature program.

Under that logic, wouldn't that invalidate half the homeownership population in this country?

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